Beltalowda!
Will never happen. Human flesh is not meant to live outside Earth. It’s just fairy tales.
Interesting, I’m of the opposite mind: I think it’s inevitable that we will inhabit places outside earth. Time is long, technology keeps getting better, space on earth keeps getting smaller, and there’s only one way we escape the consumption of earth by the eventual expansion of the sun. We just have to make sure not to destroy ourselves here first (a tall order, it seems as of lately).
I was on same side but then I started reading and watching interviews with astronauts, when you get back from space station you can’t even walk by yourself. It’s not only muscle disappearing problem. There are eye sight problems, brain changes. Brain is made 80% from water. There is no way people can overcome it with current fuel based space flight. And it’s just humans so don’t get me started about food. We’re stuck here for good.
No way we colonize space or smaller rocks until we invent artificial gravity, which I don’t think is possible. Even spin “gravity” comes with a nauseous Coriolis force unless the station is huge and you’re on the outer edges.
Luna is a death trap, no magnetosphere, radiation soaked, and the fine dust would make asbestos look like lung candy.
Much the same for Mars. No radiation protection, fine dust clogging everything.
Fair points but you and the other commenter are, in my opinion, thinking too near-term. On the scale of hundreds of thousands to millions of years, evolution starts to become a factor. The beings that leave earth to live elsewhere, on that time scale, may have been human once but would have evolved into something different, hopefully more suited to environments on other worlds. And we’re not even close to the destruction of earth by the sun, which is on the order of a billion years from now.
That’s more what I meant by inevitable. Our curiosity brought us to the stars early, but we have the time here on earth to invent, adapt, grow, and change before the hard stop of needing to leave earth…assuming we survive what earth throws at us (and what we do to it) in the nearer term.
That’s my same thoughts as well, The thought of us currently working together in space is ridiculous. There would be courts in no time claiming borders for areas in time and space. Maybe if we make a Luna base, ill have hope we might one day get to Mars.
Only if you ignore the opportunity cost—i.e., the number of terrestrial jobs that could have been created with the same investment.
Counter thought: Having a job is not desirable. It’s the income we desire.
No if I was completely set for life I would still wanna be a nurse. I’d do like one shift a month maybe one shift a week at most but I don’t think I could do without the satisfaction of helping someone. I’d also probably pick and choose how I got to do it more. I’d do a lot less stuff that’s more characteristic of the institutional system and take more time to actually talk to people and try to help them with specific stuff instead of just providing three hots and a cot and my main method of keeping them from stabbing each other being invading their privacy. I actually got to sit down and de-mat someone’s depression hair last week and it was soooo nice I almost never have time for that anymore.
It feels like you’re describing the difference between a job and a hobby
It’s wild to describe something I needed to get a license for and that is overseen by a board that can revoke it for malpractice as a hobby.
Great, we’re already fucking up this planet let’s go fuck up the rest of the solar system too.
As every new thing.
AI, for example, has created a a brand new job: Vibe Coding Corrector/fixer, people hire to fix the fuck ups of the AI and vibe coders.
The Expanse basically.
Belters. Third class citizens seen as little more than slaves. Treated like garbage.
It is a little darker than that, as Belters can’t actually live on Earth due to their bones being crushed and broken by gravity.
Not only are they slaves, they are very much trapped in space. Well, trapped if we’re avoiding spoilers.
This exact same phenomenon already happens in real life to astronauts though. So if space colonization were to occur in real life, this would totally happen in reality as well.
Is the bone thing a developmental issue or could someone still gradually adjust to it as an adult? Obviously that sort of time would be impossible to get as a belter, but just curious of the biology of it
If I’m not mistaken it is a developmental issue — wasn’t an O.P.A. agent tortured using the moons gravity? Or maybe they were in orbit, I’m not sure.
I’m pretty sure it’s also a major problem later on with the new planets being found — Belters have it way more rough than both Earthers and Martians. Like, to the tune of ‘get me the fuck off this rock’ rough.
how far into the future is this set? is it possible medical science gets advanced enough to surgically implant a robot skeleton that can repair itself and grow with the person? if these belters make a universal healthcare system, they could have free cybernetic surgeries for masses of belters able to withstand surface gravity of planets. should i just watch it, is the expanse a good show?
According to a quick search (memory is foggy) it is set around 2350 — humans have colonized most of the solar system. They have fusion reactors and ships capable of traveling from Earth to the Jovian moons (I think? I’m not sure if they go further). There is definitely advanced medicine regarding surviving spaceflight (i.e. performing maneuvers that put you in otherwise unliveable circumstances without drugs).
The circumstances of Earth, Mars and the Belt are delicate. Without spoiling too much, no the Belters do not have good health care.
I like the Expanse, I was a fan of the books before the show. The show is good, some aspects are better than the books — but I haven’t actually finished the show itself. Give it a shot if you’re into hard science fiction!
Edit: I should note, a baby born in the belt could be taken to Mars or Earth and they would grow up fine. The Belters themselves aren’t riddled with genetic diseases or anything like that, growing up in low g’s is just fucked.
currently rewatching the show firefly rn, but after i will start The expanse. ive seen other mentions of it around here on lemmy, and they always avoid revealing spoilers so i will too.
so this is just a general question shooting off of your edit: i wonder what a baby born and grown in higher-than-earth g’s would be like?
Well, in the books the physical differences between Earthers, Martians and Belters are very striking. Due to the lower gravity on Mars, and the even lower gravity on spinning asteroids in the belt; Earthers end up being much shorter than their counterparts with Belters looking very bizarre. I would imagine it would result in them being shorter, and if the gravity is high enough it could completely stunt the baby’s growth in a sort of inverse to what the Belters go through.
I don’t get why we’re all still so stuck on capitalism being a thing even beyond this blue rock. Like c’mon… first, we need to stop having wars HERE and make it so that people don’t have to work to feed themselves or shelter themselves. From there on, worry about the rest of things.
Play Hardspace: Shipbreaker if you want to see what that’d probably look like, considering our current trajectory
Ok Elon
*You know we thought we liked the sound of finding glory in the stars
The board has taught us to be proud of never reaching very far
So we earn what we’re allowed and give it right back at the bar*
- The Outer Worlds Song by The Stupendium
