/c/fuckcars : “use some other form of transportation!”
Also /c/fuckcars: “No! Not like that!”
Why not? Less risk of being hit by a plane if they’re in the sky and requirements for a pilot license are much stricter. In a plane crash occupants are more likely to die than innocent bystanders, compared to cars that are designed for safety only for those on the inside.
Why not? Probably because:
Bike pollution: .
Car pollution: oooooooooo
Plane pollution: OOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOO
(bike pollution is slightly more than nil just because of the CO2 we breathe out while riding)
Speak for yourself, I bike with a bag on my head to capture my emissions.
What about the emissions from the other end?
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bike pollution is slightly more than nil just because of the CO2 we breathe out while riding
Technically, the CO2 animals exhale is carbon neutral because it’s from plants you eat (or your food eats). Unless you’re eating petroleum derived products of course.
I say technically because while the plants themselves are carbon neutral, modern food production and distribution, especially meat production, still has a large carbon footprint. So your breath is only truly carbon neutral if you foraged for food in the forest on foot.
So your breath is only truly carbon neutral if you foraged for food in the forest on foot.
So once again: return to monkee
Unless you’re eating petroleum derived products of course.
I didn’t come here to be judged
Don’t forget that many small propeller driven aircraft run on leaded gas, and it’s a formulation of leaded gas that has 10x the lead that motor fuel used to.
But, didn’t you hear the Midgley guy who invented TEL like 100 years ago? You can safely breathe it and even wash your hands in it! (said right after he got lead poisoning)
Then he went on to make Freon.
“Most dangerous man in history”… and knowing humanity’s track record, that’s something.
Well sure I bet you can wash your hands in it. It’s a bad idea, but you could do it.
That was a great watch - it’s cool to find out the history.
I must say, society is much better off without widespread use of TEL, but as someone who used to do racecar things, TEL works like magic. A little goes a LONG way, and Midgely did legitimately stumble upon something with very high effect for the concentration (they also touch on ethanol in the video which has the drawback of needing a lot).
I’m not opposed to using it in a small scale racing context (like definitely not NASCAR) because it’s so fucking useful and the quantity is unlikely to cause harm. Unfortunately so much bad has been done with it at this point, I don’t think that’s a very popular opinion.
Whatever your views on it, it’s the only thing that can make gasoline legitimately 120+ octane, and that has huge implications for some types of racing.
Worth noting that the amount of aviation fuel burned annually should make it a negligible contributer to environmental lead contamination compared to widespread automotive use (although I’m sure it contributes on airport grounds).
Edit: All the pilots I know want to use unleaded, and it was recently approved after being stuck in a bureaucratic nightmare process, but market forces may make it hard to adopt.
Small aircraft have a carbon equivalent to large cars. My plane is from 1961 and has a fuel economy of 15mpg as the crow flies (arguably closer to 25mpg because of straight line measurements versus winding roads that can almost double the distance), seats 4 people comfortably, and flies at 160 mph.
Hmm, interesting. I had the opposite impression. Maybe from discussion of private jets? I wonder how commercial jets vs. private jets vs. light aircraft fare – similar to cars vs. buses, perhaps? I haven’t actually dug much into this subject :\
how commercial jets vs. private jets vs. light aircraft fare
Just looked some up, they’re approximately, per passenger:
- -, bus, ~100…300mpg/pp
- Commercial jet, -, ~60…120mpg/pp
- Ultralight, motorbike, train, ~50mpg/pp
- Light aircraft, car, ~15…60mpg/pp
- Private jet, limo, ~5…50mpg/pp
- Fighter jet, monster truck, ~0.5mpg/pp
The more passengers, the more efficient.
So, fully loaded, there isn’t that much difference between a private jet, a limo, a car, light aircraft, ultralight, motorbike, train, or low range commercial jet.
But if it’s a single person, a private jet would use 10 times more fuel than a motorbike.
A fully loaded bus, still wins hands down.
It’s probably plane with propeller, not jet engine
Props tend to be more efficient aircraft when it comes to fuel consumption but fly relatively low and slow. Jets are faster so they make more sense for ferrying people and cargo but they burn more fuel in the process.
Is leaded gas still a requirement, or have they found a way around that by now for old prop planes?
It was caught in FAA-Bureauctatic hell for 15+ years and just approved last year. It will be still be slow to become available and adopt for reasons that are complicated, but amount to bureaucracy, economics, and an insane degree of risk aversion. The vast majority of pilots want unleaded and it’s also much better for the engines.
Walking pollution: …
That’s right, bike pollution is less than walking (or running) pollution in terms of CO2 per mile travelled. Cycling typically burns ~⅓ of the calories compared to making the same journey on foot and there’s a direct link between calories burnt and CO2 produced.
Cycling at 12mph takes roughly the same energy as walking at 4mph. You emit the same CO2 per minute, but get there in ⅓ of the time. Running at 12mph takes 3 times the effort of cycling at 12mph. You’ll get there in the same amount of time, but breath out 3 times as much CO2. Bicycles are more efficient than our own two legs - how cool is that!
Breathing isn’t pollution
But some people are a waste of oxygen
They don’t cycle
I gave up flying to have kids. Probably worse for pollution
I gave up kids to have flying!
You environmental warrior!
More of an environmental Skyhawk, actually
To over-explain the joke to non-flying folk:
What I trained on (you get to the Warrior name eventually) — https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piper_PA-28_Cherokee
Vs @rexxit — https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cessna_172
Although I ended up a Tiger Dad — https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grumman_American_AA-5
I’ve got to ask, though—how is breathing CO2 pollution? Aren’t we just taking in air, removing the oxygen, and exhaling the waste gases? Isn’t there the same net CO2 afterwards?
Have I misunderstood something as simple as breathing? Please say no.
You haven’t misunderstood it! You’re just coupling cellular respiration with photosynthesis, which on the surface seems to balance to net zero – 6 CO2 molecules and sunlight create 1 glucose molecule, and we break down 1 glucose molecule for energy and generate 6 CO2 molecules.
There’s one big factor though which isn’t immediately obvious, and that’s the rate of reaction. The chemical equations say nothing about how many molecules are consumed per second. In order for the net CO2 to be zero, they’d need to consume and generate CO2, respectively, at the same rate, which isn’t the case.
It’s actually a really good thing, because photosynthesis happens faster. Plants are net negative CO2 because of that. What we’d need to complete this comparison now is how much CO2 a human generates by existing, and we can determine how many plants are needed per human to have the same net CO2.
Thank you! What a great explanation. I’m always amazed by how much cooler things are than I expect.
Please accept this lemmygold: 🥇
Glad I could help!
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Correct, 100%. I was just going through the science. Targeting human respiration as a carbon source is an extremely absurd notion.
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But, do that people have light aircrafts or motherfucking Boeings 787?
Planes still require leaded gasoline and they are the largest contributor or airborne lead pollution in the US, probably the world.
Planes still require leaded gasoline
No, they don’t. It’s like saying all cars require leaded gasoline. They can work on it, but it’s banned in all countries.
Planes that would land here typically use 100LL which contains lead. (LL stands for Low Lead). It’s not banned for aviation use.
There has been a push recently to use alternatives which don’t contain lead but most places still have 100LL as it’s a very long process to get things certified for aviation use.
Piston driven planes still do use leaded gasoline. There is a very recent push to certify lead free avgas and progress is being made but they’re being a bit opaque and seemingly rushing it which is making a lot of people weary of it.
I feel like it should be … for the amount of gas I release while cycling.
😂
Try reading that comment with a TTS engine. Lol
oof. Apologies!
This made me giggle
as if rich people care about how much they pollute
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Cycling has carbon emissions if you factor the additional calorie intake needed to power your bike. :| Which will vary widely depending on your size, diet, and food source. Is it still a more sustainable form of transportation? Probably, but maybe not in extreme cases (like a 300-lb person eating beef daily flown in from the other side of the planet, versus, a tiny two seater electric car power off of solar energy, using batteries sourced from recycled materials) and it certainly isn’t 0 impact.
Also, for extra pedantism, carbon emission are not pollution (in the sense that it doesn’t poison the life forms directly), but it is a GHG which causes harm to the environment too.
If you factor calorie intake of the bike rider you need to do the same for other forms of transportation. And if you account for the amount of exercise people are supposed to get to stay healthy there’s no additional calorie intake whatsoever.
Plane pollution is not that much worse than a car. Depending on what metric you measure it can be better (planes are more fuel efficient and thus less CO2. Small planes like the picture generally use lead fuel and old engine designs that pollute more) on long trips.
I do love having heavy metals rain down on me from the sky so rich cunts can entertain themselves.
Nearly all land near small runways and airports that fly planes using AvGas will have lead contamination. That’s because lead is still used in most aviation fuels a consumer plane would use. Runways are also required to have and use PFAS in firefighting foam for emergencies. Training and system tests will dump that stuff in the surrounding area.
Unless these fine folks have A380s they’re paying a hefty premium for lead exposure and PFAS in their water and soil.
Lead is only one factor of pollution though. You will note that i acknowledged it exists. There is no objective way to say what is the most important factor or how you compare them.
No, planes are not more fuel efficient, even driving alone a car. The reason why it costs more to go by car is due to many reasons, especially the higher cost of fuel at petrol stations.
Yes, some light planes have fuel economy similar to efficient cars (which is very impressive considering how fast they are relative to cars). If you consider the advantages of direct, straight line routing, it’s not hard for planes to do better on fuel economy.
We’re not talking about jets here, though some of those do very well in mpg on a per passenger basis.
You’re only taking into account pollution and i bet you with the barrier of entry and cost accounted there would be less pollution from flying compared to driving.
… what?
I think they’re trying to say that less people would fly than currently drive due to the cost of flying. Although, if we subsidized personal planes at the same rate that we do personal vehicles I’m not entirely sure that flying would continue to be so expensive.
It’s quite simple really. Less people would be able to fly, so those that can’t will just stand still in confusion until they die from starvation. The remaining population would be the small fraction who were able to afford to fly. Net loss in pollution.
Flying is expensive and you need a license that’s substantially harder to get than a driver’s license.
You’re only taking into account pollution
Yes, that’s correct. I’m not doing a serious study here, just summarizing the general sentiment I’ve observed.
more stricter
much more strict.
I dunno, I was supposed to get 100hrs of driving experience in order to get my license. Meanwhile the minimum required for a PPL is 40, and only 20 of that is required to be with an instructor. You can get away with fewer if you are just getting a Light Sport license, and an Ultralight requires no license at all (seriously though, get training).
Must be lovely to hear your neighbor fire up their Cessna at 7 in the morning for their morning commute.
Enjoy being stuck behind the asshole in a C130 with trucknutz.
I’ve lived under a flight path, ~9km/6miles from the airport - while I understand the difference between a 787 and a Cessna 172, I’ve got no earthly idea why anyone would choose to have a runway in their front yard.
Because us plane people have a crippling addiction…
Haha - like most addictions, this feels a lot like self-harm.
I lived adjacent to a neighborhood like this. It was much quieter than middle aged neighbors with Harley’s. Little Cessnas and Pipers are not that loud.
I live basically across the street from an Air Force base so I get turboprops over the house at 1,000 feet starting at about 7:00 5-6 days a week. Doesn’t bother me or my wife, we just like planes.
I love planes, but I wouldn’t want to live next to a fighter base. Cargo planes are super cool though
It’s a training base so we’ve got both here. I’m just on the prop side. Cargo planes are super fun too, used to fly C-17s over my old house all the time before we moved here.
Little known fact. Airplanes still use leaded fuel. I’ll bet that the blood levels for all of these families are elevated. Not a great place to raise a kid.
Clarification: Only piston aircraft require leaded fuel. Which is unfortunately a pretty big part of the general aviation market, but similarly sized turboprops do also exist (though are more expensive) and it doesn’t apply to modern commercial aviation at all.
There is an increasing number of piston aircraft that have Diesel engines, and run on jet fuel.
Disgusting.
This is like looking at a yet to be made Tom Scott video.
He already did make a video on it lol
Tom scott has made a video on everything, including this very thread.
Very true, even the 99% global human population reduction of 2025 he’s already recorded and got ready to go
Are we doing that? I just paid off my car loan.
[INTRO]
Tom Scott (with his characteristic enthusiasm): “Hello, lovely internet denizens! Today, we find ourselves in a comment thread, delightfully jesting about my propensity to dive into the oddest corners of knowledge. From the physics of shoelaces to the mysteries of quantum buttered toast, we’ve covered it all!”
[SMILE AND NOD]
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[CONFIDENT NOD]
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[TOM SCOTT SMILES AT THE CAMERA]
This is missing the vaguely European expert in his field.
[Hard cut to specialist]
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Are you sure? I’ve seen a video about this community, but I don’t think it was Tom Scott. Couldn’t find it on his channel.
Wow, I’m actually pretty sure I’m wrong on this. I’m just now checking on my lunch break but I can’t find it. I know I saw a video about this (or a very similar) community following specifically one man who has a hanger house. Swore it was Tom Scott but, I just can’t find it… Don’t tell me I hallucinated it lol
I also couldn’t find it
Pls link
http://www.casadeaero.net/text/about.php
Many pilots do this as a means of reducing the costs associated with operating out of areas with high hangar and service costs. This is Northwest of Chicago near Rockford. The about page explains a lot of the obvious questions.
Fascinating. Thanks for sharing.
lmao wow, how fascinating. when you think you saw it all…
This exists?! Oh my That’s not just mildly, it’s really interesting!
They are somewhat common-ish if you know where to look. I fly by one a lot!
Indeed, one of our regional airports has housing with taxi ways to the runway as well. Instead of garages for cars they have hangers for the planes and cars.
I see!
But I don’t see any planes or hangars there or in OPs image?
Residential hangers just look like big garages.
Bottom right of ops image (I also see one other plane a few drives up)
Look for shed like things that connect to taxiways. They aren’t huge and don’t need to be if the aircraft is smol.
These exist all across the country! Here’s a fun fact, the street signs are all 2 feet tall in these neighborhoods so that even low-wing airplanes can make turns around corners that have signs without risk of completely destroying their plane.
Oooh, cool!
There are thousands of them.
This is an exclusive neighborhood where only environmentalist TikTok influencers live /s
Lol
Yup, John Travolta had and maybe still has a house like this to park his Boeing 707.
I want to see a train-based one of these
Everyone parks their personal train in their yard?
Yeah, or at least train cars, with a way to get it onto the network for vacations and such. (Vacationing in a personal train car sounds fun)
This is the future I didn’t know I wanted. But it seems like a good way to make Snowpiercer reality in record time.
It’s the present in the US. Many people own personal train cars, and you just contract with Amtrak to hook you up and you’re off on vacation. You can even bring Babu. You can rent personal cars as well, though you probably should make sure yuor ocelot is housebroken if you’re taking a rental.
Now, I say “many” but what I means is that’s more than a few. Many is still probably in the 3-4 digit number (I’m guessing). And you’d be correct in assuming that it’s not a luxury most people can afford. But it does exist.
I was just googling around, and it looks to me like a private rail car costs something like a 2nd home, storage fees similar to property tax, $4/mile to have Amtrak haul you around. Basically a vacation home, but mobile. Definitely a 1% thing, but not billionaires-only. Probably way more prestige in saying you’ve got a private rail car than a beach house. At least among a certain segment.
Most interesting thing I’ve learned all week.
I’d love parking for these cars at various places I want to visit though, think railway parking timeshare.
DO they still? Last I heard Amtrak was no longer taking private train cars as too many were not in good mechanical shape and thus a large cause of their delayed trains.
Who is Babu?
An ocelot from the cartoon Archer
Another character in the show, Carol/Sheryl, comes from a wealthy family and owns a private rail car
And, there’s an ocelot named Babu
Vacationing in a personal train car sounds fun
My parents almost did this in India a few years back. They have travel agencies that plop you in a couple of nicely-appointed rail cars that you stay in for a month while they’re attached to different trains every night. You wake up each morning in a new city - basically a land cruise.
Railroad suburbs exist! Streetcar suburbs as well. Was actually the norm outside of the city core until they started ripping up all the rail lines to build highways.
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The smell and noise would be unbearable.
It’s obviously for plane nerds that won’t mind.
Depends, looks like small planes, and even if 10 come and go everyday you would quickly stop hearing them at all (the brain is very good at ignoring useless stimuli)
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I’ve got you bud.
Get some good speakers. Install an ad blocker (for now) and play “Air conditioner sound, 10 hours” on YouTube. It won’t annoy your neighbors, you can just say, “it’s muh humidifier” if anyone asks, but they probably won’t. Barking dog? Not in your bedroom. Vacuum cleaner? Nope, won’t hear it.
And you’ll get to where you can’t sleep without it.
I should download that video.
There are also open source white noise generators that have no ads to begin with, don’t need internet, and are more energy efficient due to not having to process a video stream. They also let you customize the frequencies in the noise!
Thank you for that. I’ll look into it.
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I swear society has been getting louder over the years
Have you seen the unbelievably entitled, self-centered assholes who play music on trails because they’re too cool for headphones and fuck what anyone else wants?
Omg that triggers me
Works for my manager too
And they can’t even afford an HOA to water the grass by the runway.
It grows on kerosene.
It has what plants need
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That’s a lot leaded fuel to be inhaling everyday.
Just don’t go outside eZ
this is quite interesting. but also these fuckers are pretentious
There are a bunch of these around. In my old city we had two nearby. One was nice kind of like this, one was just a grass field out by cornfields.
Where the hell am I supposed to put my boat?
At your summer house
Half a million per house isn’t really that bad considering it’s on an airport and you get a hangar
Yeah, but there’s an HOA. :/
Well for the airport cost, right?
Here’s a nice big one just south of Daytona Beach
https://www.google.com/maps/@29.0625058,-81.0461691,1579a,35y,359.1h,44.09t/data=!3m1!1e3?entry=ttu
Here’s one I was thinking of near Ocala, FL, I believe John Travolta has/had a place there:
29.2747779, -82.1204260
And another one in Yucca Valley, CA:
34.1289163, -116.4077455
Whoa. That area has things that look like roads, but are extended taxiways from the homes to the runway. For the early-alphabet taxiways there’s a clear distinction between the public roads and the taxiways. The roads end in dead-ends before the runways, and the taxiways end in dead-ends before the roads.
But, when you get to taxiway echo, it actually crosses Spruce Creek Blvd. So, you could be slowing down to a stop sign, only to see a plane taxi across the road in front of you. I wonder how often cars end up on that taxiway by accident.
Why doesn’t that runway have, like, lights and stuff. Or an ILS.
Those go against HOA rules.
Imagine showing up to an HOA meeting with a presentation on why we need to spend ten million dollars on a localizer and glideslope array so Larry wouldn’t have to divert to O’Hare when it’s foggy again.
The HOA fees have now gone up 10,000%.
Because this is a small general aviation field. This is for doctors flying their Cirrus SR22 in and out of. You might be surprised how many airfields are probably around you and how many of those are just a strip of grass with some hangers off to the side.
It’s not necessarily required. All landings are visual maneuvers anyway; lights just help you see in non-ideal weather conditions
I can’t imagine this being used for anything other than daylight VFR flying, which doesn’t need radio guidance or even guidance in general beyond the airstrip itself. It’s also possible that there are lights, and they’re just too small to see when not lit.
Aren’t there usually strips of lights on the approach before the runway itself? At least for normal commercial airports they are present.
Naw most VFR unguided airstrips like this don’t have anything in the way of landing assistance. The idea being that they’d never fly at night time and divert to a nearby IFR airport if there’s sudden weather. Like literal fair weather pilots.
Dont need an ILS to land every time. Hell you dont even need a landing light legally for non commercial flights
