Jesus was 100% Jewish circa year zero. Observed Torah, went to and taught at synagogues, celebrated Hannukkah, ate a kosher diet, etc. But Christians don’t follow Jesus’s own religious practices.
Most christians seem to ignore most or all of the bible, anyway.
After reading the book, I realized I’m following much more of the Bible as a Muslim than an average Christard zealot does.
As an atheist who tries to do the right thing for people, same. If he lived today, Jesus would probably be a communist and thrown out by Christians.
I’m certain there are Muslim commies, probably some Christian commies too, right? The redistribution of wealth (if not the means of production) in a more equitable manner and the condemnation of greed are part of and at the core the message of prophets Jesus and Mohammed. 👍
Islamic socialism is a huge thing. Why do you think the US backed the Shah in Iran? Who was the Shah imprisoning?
The Koran absolutely forbids charging interest (which is why there is an entire alternate Islamic banking system) and one of the five pillars of Islam is zakat - giving money to the needy. Shariah explicitly demands forms of land redistribution and mandates zakat.
If you read Qutb (literally wrote a book called Social Justice in Islam), you realize that there’s actually a substantial group of people who are very heavily inspired by Marx and Lenin, and also believe that apostates should be killed.
For sure. It’s just not a part of modern day American Christianity, where they worship Supply Side Jesus. Probably all Christians and Muslims should be somewhere near communist if they follow the faith.
It’s mostly due to Paul, most Christians are mostly following what Paul wrote. Churches that don’t follow Paul, like messianics, are wildly different.
I’ve met messianic Christians who to me felt Jewish like me but with the Jesus talk.
whoa, I didn’t know there were Churches that don’t follow Paul. he’s one of my biggest issues with Christianity.
I felt like Christianity suffered a lot from so many gentiles streaming in early on without becoming Jews, and by the time it became the religion of Rome it blended with Sol Invictus, Greek Platonism and other Roman mythology, and became incomprehensible. Jesus was Jewish, the Disciples were all Jews, all the context of his teachings only make sense in a context the fresh converts lacked.
I kinda wonder about an alternate universe where a sect of Jews accept Jesus as Moshiach but not as literally God. there’d be no trinity, the parables would go into the Talmud, he’d be seen as a rebbe like Hillel I guess.
I’m a Christian in the Calvinist tradition, but I try to follow Jesus more than Paul. Paul was in my opinion very much a pragmatic who tried to spread Christianity in Greece, and was willing to compromise a bit with Greek sensibilities (which included slavery and misogyny). When in doubt, I look to Jesus instead.
Also, I think Calvin went a bit too far overboard on some things. The reformation was a good thing, but that doesn’t make him right about everything.
Yeah, also Jesus wasn’t white.
I think Brian was, though.
Pretty sure his Roman.
Fun fact: year 0 does not exist.
Year 0 doesn’t exist in the BC/AD numbering system, but does exist in the astronomical year numbering system, as well as the ISO 8601:2004 numbering system (and, apparently, in most Buddhist and Hindu calendars, which I didn’t know).
Because Jesus showed them a better way? I thought that was the point of it.
All of Jesus’s followers who lived when he did were Jewish as well. They were all guilty of what Jesus was crucified for, going against the established religion of the land (I wouldn’t call it apostasy though; that’s renouncing God and none of them were doing that). Christianity is/was based on the teachings of Christ; it builds upon Judaism.
That’s my understanding anyway. I am not religious. But, I don’t think “Christians are not Jews like Jesus was” is a bad thing.
What’s wild to me is that today’s Jews believe Jesus was this decent guy but not the son of God. Then you have Muslims who believe that maybe he was the son of God, maybe he was just a prophet, but they still follow his teachings, they just lean more into the teachings of Muhammad (peace be upon him) (that’s how they say it, or they add “PBUH” which means the same). But guess who the Christians side with politically? I don’t get it. But I don’t think that (the political thing) has to do with who’s more closely aligned with Jesus, I think it’s who pays better.
But again, I’m not religious, so I don’t support or reject any of them. And of course my understanding of these religions is far less than actual practitioners of said religions.
theoretically, Muslims and Jews should be closer. both believe in one god, rather than a trinity. both reject icons. both follow the dietary laws. both Jews and Arabs descend from Abraham.
maybe the closer you are the more you have to fight about 🤷♀️
I’ve read that Mohammed even wanted to merge his movement with Judaism, but Jewish leaders rejected him, and apparently that set some bad blood.
Muslims don’t believe Jesus is the son of god but do believe he is the prophecied messiah, performed miracles and ascended into heaven
You can’t be Muslim and think anything or anyone else is Divine in any way like Him, be it a son or an accompanying “god”. The Oneness of God is a core, undeniable part of Islam (any branch, any sect, etc., because it’s based on a singular book that’s accessible to all, the Qur’an, and that’s like THE main tenet of it). But yes, prophet Isa, big J, is of course a big part of the history of the religion! I don’t mean to be mean to Christians but listen, even in the Bible Jesus is shown praying (why would “God” pray?!), asking for intercession, and even denying being called ‘good’ because “only the Father is good” (because all of these hard categories belong only to God, He’s the superlative of all the good traits, our unreachable goal, since there’s “good and bad” in all of us, a bit of vice not just virtue). Jesus was a man who believed in God and asked Him for help and his prayer mentions it strongly!
But yeah, Jesus is/should be seen as big for every Muslim regardless of whether you know his message or not simply because, even if it didn’t take complete root and the message was shared to the world already changed and corrupted by the Romans, it did perhaps prepare the world, through Western colonization, for virtue and monotheism (if you believe you’ll meet the Creator and be judged for your decisions in life you kind of have a bigger motivation to act right! lol), and that’s a crazy way to get there but hey, the Lord works in mysterious ways. And then people can adopt Islam, which basically takes any man, saints, St. Peter and the keys, etc, all of that nonsense out of the equation entirely and tells you: "your life is and the universe are gifts from your Creator that you will never be able to repay (of course, who here can make a universe?!), enjoy them but walk the straight path, and you will meet Him again on the Day of Judgment and if you were even slightly decent (at the very least very repentant while you’re alive still), you get an even better second, eternal life (why not? He already made a universe once at least!).
Jesus was born Jewish but converted to Christianity in his teens
Nah he was actually Buddhist
There was no year 0. It was 1 BCE then 1 CE. Just FYI.
Was it though? Like back then?
Back then they didn’t use Jesus’s birth (or at least, the date Dionysius Exiguus thought was Jesus’s birth) as the epoch for counting the years.
Back then it was technically the year 3000 something of recorded history. Christianity declared that that’s when time started.
Are you sure about that 3000? I thought at the time it was mostly the 6th year of the rule of some king, emperor or governor (Herod, Augustus or Quirinius, most likely), although the Bible doesn’t even provide those kind of dates.
As far as I’m aware, having a single universal reckoning is something that Christianity invented in the middle ages. But still based on the rule of Jesus as king, of course.
Yes. So there are a few calendars before the Christian calendar.
Roman empire calendar started 753B.C. which was considered Year One ab urbe condita or A.U.C. which would be 2778AUC today.
The Byzantine Empire year one began on sep1. 5509BC. It would be 7509AM(Anno Mundi) year today
The Chinese calendar is year 4722 today.
There are many many more calendars out there. The bible is a fictional book spread by misinformation and slaughter to shove their teachings and taking over many religions imposing the “Common” calendar on the majority of the world.
Romans but yes Christian Romans after the religion took over the empire.
That’s because, per Christian doctrine, Jesus created a new covenant with his sacrifice that fulfills and supersedes the old laws, and put a more spiritual mercy/love-driven interpretation on the previous rigid adherence aspects of Jewish laws and traditions before.
I don’t know too much abut religion, but I thought Jesus was supposed to have bashed up the temples due to them operating like banks. I think that’d be evidence of crticising some the prevailing religious organisation.
IIRC it was other people abusing temples to set up markets there, he didn’t have problems with the church itself.
It was moreso about them selling the sacrifices. The idea was you couldn’t bring your own sacrifice, you’d have to buy one there.
Jesus would have hated movie theater concession stands.
LOL
That would be pretty based if somebody did that today
Western Christianity is basically Roman traditions rebranded. Jesus was just a paint coat over it to make it look cooler.
Except the new testament the one about Jesus says something along the lines of nothing you put in your body can taint you. So why would Christians fallo a kosher diet.
More ironically western Christians HATE middle-easterners.
It’s a bit more complicated than that. Jesus was a reformer of Judaism, and brought in a lot of unorthodox ideas. Plus, if the Gospel accounts are authentic, he was going around telling people he was the foretold Messiah and the Son of God, which isn’t typical Jewish teaching.
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There are some christian denominations follow old testament holidays and honor the sabbath. Basically they recognize that jesus was jewish and follow most practices.
