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    Fascism is back like in the late 1920s, we all know what happened right after.

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      Don’t say that too loud, they might find a reason to send you off to something like alligator alcatraz once they’re in power.

      Apparently, those people mysteriously disappeared.

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      Don’t let them get to you. Its like 1000 people doing this. We can change it still.

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    You can see what’s happening in the USA, Germany. That’s really what you want for yourself? Again?

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      I have no part in this. Neither do my peers. Lies, deception, easy answers to complex questions and a lack in education are doing this.

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      Pretty much all the adults from WWII are dead. Notice we’re doing the same stupid shit? Gilded Age wealth gap, tariffs, fascism, heading for a depression, etc.?

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    Well one of the downside of learning German after living blissfully ignorant for over a decade here is that I can now understand Germans talking around me, and holy fuck have I been exposed to such rampant racism. Kinda explains both the Nazi past, and the current popularity of AfD, and upcoming future Holocaust 2.0.

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      To be honest the far right is up in a lot of places.

      This is a result of the ever growing divide between the rich and the poor, the cost of living crisis, the AI future where a lot of young individuals are struggling finding jobs, the unaffordability of living spaces, etc.

      Look what is happening in the US, that’s what’s scarier, where the right-wing is thriving and they are turning into an autocratic state, with suppression of civil liberties, abuse of power, etc. And they are desperately trying to export this ideology across the Atlantic. They don’t want a strong EU, that can threaten their hegemony and they consider the EU as a threat, long gone are the days of friendship and partnership.

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      I don’t understand why the billionaires think they are somehow off limits or immune to social chaos. They will always be surrounded by the working class, since someone needs to cook their food, wash their clothes, and raise their kids.

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        They are creating compounds, underground bunkers, they have islands and mega yachts, and they are even trying to get into space. They know what their plans are, and they know it will get really, really bad at some point, and they do not plan on being among the rest of us when that happens.

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          Yeah, I realize that, but someone still has to put gas in their helicopter and deliver their caviar.

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        Exactly! So many people fall in this Russian trap, not even understanding that it’s only goal is division and destabilization.

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    UK, France, and now Germany. The far-right really is winning everywhere huh… What can we do? Is there still hope?

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      Yeah, we take it to the source: Russian propaganda should be completely cut off from the rest of the internet.

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        The source of fascism is Europe itself, not Russia. We literally invented fascism, first in Italy, then Germany and finally allowed it to live unbothered in Spain.

        Russian media was censored already what, two years ago? And the far right keeps exploding in popularity. Europe can’t keep blaming the Russians for every bad thing happening in the continent, we have a responsibility in fighting fascism and waving hands saying it’s somebody else’s fault isn’t going to solve it.

        Racism, misogyny, islamophobia and the total loss of faith in the current system are the main reasons for far-right vote. Europe has been in an economic crisis since 2008, and electing socdems or christiandemocrats has led to the exact same policy everywhere for the past 17 years: austerity, austerity, and more austerity. Kid Starver in England, supposed labour party, enacts policy as far-right as the far-right government in Finland, both countries driving hundreds of thousands of people into poverty and austerity.

        What we need to fight fascism in Europe is what worked last time: less hand-waving, and more worker organizing. Whether you like or dislike the anarchists from the CNT in Spain, or the communists from the CPSU in the east, they were the only ones who meaningfully fought, and in the latter case ultimately defeated fascism. Organize, unionize, join local worker struggles, push for international worker solidarity with Palestine.

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          People dont like this (correct) take because it doesn’t allow them to blame their countries’ problems on foreigners.

          “Is it our withered social systems, our sickly education, our ever-evasive retirement age, ballooning wealth inequality, crumbling infrastructure, or corrupt government that is causing our descent into fascism? No… it is because of people’s innate stupidity and Ruzzian propaganda”

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            You called your take correct before you even said it lol.

            It can be both, and more than just those two things as well.

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          Just because the media channels got blocked didnt stop them from dealing in swill over the internet

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            Believe it or not, your average far-right European voter isn’t concerned with Ukraine and doesn’t admire the invasion, they’re mostly racist misogynist islamophobes who have been progressively impoverished by every party in the political spectrum of their country for a decade and a half in a row.

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              I believe it because thats the same track that was run in America.

              and more often than not, if you follow the trail of how that got stirred up in the media and online, it usually leads back to Russia anyway, who would have guessed.

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              Yup. I’ve seen a lot of deflections via: Matters in a different country or continent seem trivial when there are ‘bigger’ and more ‘urgent’ problems right in my citystate/country. Can’t beat the excuses to hide ones own flaws

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      idk, honestly. usually this kind of tribalism burns itself out after a World War and a bunch of atrocities. there’s a global empathy shortage… too much hate and too little love.

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        usually this kind of tribalism burns itself out after a World War and a bunch of atrocities. there’s a global empathy shortage… too much hate and too little love.

        It’s the understandable pent up anger because of failed promises by ruling elites, hiding behind fake smiles and platitudes, who are supposed to be representative of the people. The older I get, the less the Star Wars Prequel becomes meesa Jar Jar-y. Lucas touched on toxic masculinity and the lack of positive male role models, and I think he saw something in history that none of us have twenty years ago, on how toxic masculinity influences real politics. It’s obvious now how fascism has connection to toxic masculinity, but I think only few saw it at the time.

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      The only time nazis go down is when they are put down. The free world needs strength to do what’s necessary and avoid the paradox of tolerance.

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            Please don’t insult the memory of my ancestors with your ignorance. I’m a Spaniard, and our civil war against fascism in 1936-1939 was mainly fought by anarchists and communists using Soviet-made weapons, airplanes and tanks

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              yes your single example definitely justifies “usually” lmao go tour a gulag or smt tankie

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                Single example? 80% of Nazi soldiers died in the Eastern Front against the Soviets. Communist China kicked out fascist Japan from the mainland through unthinkable armed struggle. Communist Cubans kicked out fascist dictator Batista from the island. Tell me now about my single examples. You don’t have to support each of those movements to see the historical fact: communists and anarchists are historically the first and most successful to fight fascism. Please provide counterexamples of capitalist countries or movements fighting against fascism and winning, until then stop spitting on the memory of the antifascist partisans in Spain and Italy.

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      It’s happening here in Australia too. I’m watching the slow rise after being lucky enough to escape the US.

      I wrote about my experience going to a racist rally a month or so ago with my husband and children.

      It was supposed to be peaceful and I wouldn’t have expected to be putting my kids in danger.

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      Fascism is a disease that spread rapidly in last century: 10-15 years. Imagine how fast it can spread in a world with Internet, cars, airplanes and trains. No place is safe

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      Hmm, the guy who manipulated his stock price to make himself the richest man in the world and fixed the election for Trump also supported AfD. Surely it’s a coincidence

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        There is money required for running campaigns and advertisements and making deals.

        What it won’t do is magically populate a country with fascists, supremacists, and other extreme right wing types. Those would have to already be around.

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          German here.

          Many Germans firmly believe the AfD is not a nazi party. Many Germans defend them because the AfD tells them what they want to hear: “It’s not your fault that you haven’t struck it big yet in your life, it’s the insert minority/marginalized group of the month’s fault.” They truly believe that the AfD will help them.

          It’s the same obvious, fascist playbook that they pulled in the US and people eat it up while laughing at your idiot president.

          It’s insane. People are incapable of questioning themselves and thus incapable of learning.

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            “It’s not your fault that you haven’t struck it big yet in your life, it’s the insert minority/marginalized group of the month’s fault.” They truly believe that the AfD will help them.

            Correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t that how it literally started with Adolf Hitler!?

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              In essence, yes. Or at least that was a big part of Hitler’s campaign.

              Back then it was the Jews and socialists gutting Germany by accepting unconditional surrender after WW1 (Dolchstoßlegende), today it’s immigrants, especially muslims, trying to impose their culture upon us.

              (/s) But what happened in 1933 cannot happen again because now we are so much smarter and people back then were dumb. (/s)

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          They didn’t kill them all in 1945 you know.

          You are going to protest that they 've learned from that. They just learned not to say the word Nazi just like they learned not to oppose Jews instead of opposing genocide.

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            Just like we didn’t take care of business in 1865, and they quietly got their strength back and returned 150 years later.

            Evil is patient.

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    The German government has to get going to finally show some tangible results. The last government, at least at the end, did basically nothing, the current one is not fulfilling its promises, either, and people are left standing, seeing that money is spent everywhere but for the peoples needs.

    The chancellor is 100% in the pockets of the rich, so properly taxing the top 5% to get the money to fix things is completely out of question. But that is a problem other governments seem to have, too. As if fairly taxing the rich was against some physical law of the universe. Or if taxing capital income as high as income from work would open the gates of hell.

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      Correction for you: the last government was heavily criticized by the media about the most absurd things nonstop for years.

      The media could have used all this energy to write against the afd and we would have a different result now. Apparently it was more important to shit on a left wing liberal government than to save democracy.

      Our worst chancellor since 1945 used the program of the afd as his own to keep them small. This never works. This always legitimizes right wing populist parties and does not weaken them.

      The current government may not even last 4 years and then its pro Putin fascists in power.

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        That’s the problem. The current government has to deliver. FAST. And they have not understood that yet, I’m afraid.

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    It is a f*cking disgrace for the US and even more for Europe electing fascists.

    Electing opinions over facts. But as an european I’m not surprised, sadly.

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      Based on my conversation with some Germans, even if afd did have the most offices held, they wouldn’t have the majority. The other parties would tend to work together and afd would tend to be on their own.

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        This is only partially correct. The CDU (conservatives) has growing faction in it that wants to “normalize” relations with AfD and enter a coalition with them. Steigbügelhalter is gonna halt Steigbügel.

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        A party not having the majority doesn’t stop fascism from taking over as Germany well knows.

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          Not a guarantee, just a qualifier to show it’s not a “done deal” to save someone a degree of dread.