Millions of federal workers won’t get paid during a government shutdown. But the people who could prevent or end a shutdown — members of Congress — will still receive a paycheck.
That’s because their pay is protected under Article I, Section 6 of the Constitution, which states: “The Senators and Representatives shall receive a Compensation for their Services, to be ascertained by Law, and paid out of the Treasury of the United States.”
The Constitution “says members will be paid,” Rep. Joe Morelle of New York, the top Democrat on the House Administration Committee, explained to reporters Tuesday.
It should be noted that not getting paid during a government shutdown would disproportionately negatively affect Democrats in the House, many of whom rely on that income. More House Republicans are independently wealthy.
And, in theory, they are actively working to restart the government.
Like most things with the US (and, honestly, most countries) government, it is all based upon people acting “honorably” and in good faith.
And besides party lines, you really don’t want policies that only really punish politicians who haven’t grifted.
It really varies by state and department.
Plenty of red states have stacked their bureaucracies with loyal Republican apparatchiks. They’ll be hit as hard as anyone else.
More House Republicans are independently wealthy.
Vanishingly few Congresscritters are anything resembling poor. You need a certain excess of free time and wealth just to attempt to run. And you need a large body of wealthy friends to finance your campaign.
The idea that Nancy Pelosi and Dick Durbin can’t weather this storm because they’re Democrats is absurd.
You’ll notice I said “many” and not “all.”
You’ll notice I said “many”
I’ll spot you “a few”.
many of whom rely on that income
Keep in mind, it’s a 6-figure salary and they’d rather live a higher quality of life than save or invest that money for later.
It’s not about needs, it’s about wants. These people are all richer than us.
for those curious it’s $174,000 per annum for members of the House and Senate. according to rentcafe and numbeo the average price for an apartment just under 800 sq ft a month is about $2500. Other cost of living expenses are on par with other major cities.
They’re fine. This doesn’t include other benefits and kick backs and what have you which I imagine they all get plenty of.
the average price for an apartment just under 800 sq ft a month is about $2500
That’s usually a second home they’re paying for, because most of them have places to live and families in their respective states when not in session. Does the federal government reimburse for flights back and forth from their home to DC? Because there are a lot of those too
And honestly, for the skills set and expertise that we should be demanding these people have, that’s not exactly a high salary compared to what they could be getting in the private sector.
Some lawmakers said they can’t afford missing a pay period.
“I’m not wealthy, and I have three kids. I would basically be missing, you know, mortgage payments, rent payments, child support,” Sen. Ruben Gallego, D-Ariz., told NBC News. “So it’s not feasible, not gonna happen.”
oh so just like the thousand of workers that are being affected right now…
Keep in mind, she’s saying that while living at a higher quality of life than most of you.
It’s not an on/off switch, it’s a gradient where people try to live as lavishly as possible for as little effort as possible.
he’s a he apparently, twice divorced. First married to the mayor phoenix and now to a lobbyist for the national association of realtors. Also went to harvard. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruben_Gallego
Senator Ruben Gallego has filed a new annual financial disclosure, which was parsed by Quiver’s congressional net worth tracking software.
Some of the disclosed holdings which were parsed include:
Up to $50,000 in Aspiration Up to $50,000 in Aspiration Fund Adviser LLC Up to $50,000 in NameCoach Inc. Up to $15,000 in Aggressive Track: 80% Equity Portfolio Up to $15,000 in JFFCX - Jpmorgan Smartretirement 2055 Fd C
We have data on up to $100.0K of trades from Senator Ruben Gallego, which we parsed from STOCK Act filings
Millions. Not thousands. Millions of civil servants who work tirelessly and often thanklessly to make everyday life better for us all.
Right, but you don’t want him to make a bad deal just to put food on his own table.
It’s kind of a bad situation either way, but I’d prefer they keep getting paid and don’t have to take bribes or a shit deal for me for his own personal gain.
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they’re both bickering and finger pointing at each other when they both got us into this mess in the first place and all of them refuse to cut spending. I hate that being a politician nowadays is essentially saying one liners to farm clips for their social media. In reality they’ll just print more money instead of actually budgeting which means raising inflation even more making our lives even worse. I hate the dems and the GOP so much theyre an elite class getting rich while the rest of us get poorer. Both need to go.
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Hot take: Congress should be paid during a shutdown
The wealthy members of congress don’t care about their salary. They already have large amounts of money made even bigger by insider trading, bribery, and the promise of a lucrative “consulting” role when they leave congress
The honest, working class members of congress rely on their salary. Taking away their salary would give a powerful tool for the wealthy congress members to force the working class members to vote with the wealthy members. It would also incentivize more corruption. Insider trading looks a whole lot more tempting when your income suddenly disappeared and you have $3,000 in rent due tomorrow
Cool, now use this kind of logic to protect the pay of federal employees during shutdowns.
Yup. All salaries should be paid but no buying anything and all buildings shutdown with utilities off. All current equippment should be considered to have a lean on them to cover us obligations and can’t be used.
It’s lien, but I’d also like someone to give all the equipment some lean so they can chill during the shutdown.
Since they can’t use equipment to me they should get paid but not do anything until sorted.
The employees should also be issued some lean so they can chill too, I like your style.
Why the fuck do our budgets even expire?
This just gives the people who want to destroy everything all the cards. If they can’t agree on a new one, let the old one continue. It shouldn’t be as simple as not doing anything to break literally everything.
Does ICE get paid?
If not I’m all in.
No one gets paid except Congress until the shutdown ends. Then everyone else gets back pay.
Not if the resistance wins.
ICE got exempted a few days before the shutdown. They forgot to exempt the military, though. Right after insulting all of them to their faces.
Does ICE get paid?
Of course they do, that’s obviously more important than any other public service.
I think I’m ok with this. Before you lynch me, let me explain.
In the halls of Congress there are super rich, long-term, and likely lobby-fed members, and then there are those average people who ran on people-focused platforms and got elected locally. The first group are not going to be hurt by stopping a paycheck that is probably a rounding error in their actual net worth. And those individuals could use a shutdown and the knowledge that the opposition can’t survive for too long without a paycheck to force capitulation. So, keep paying the opposition during a shutdown to remove some of the leverage the powerful elite have over those representing the people.
A lot of generalizations in there but that’s where my head goes. Still shitty for the country and certainly for those who end up furlowed or worse, for sure. But at least the lawmakers holding out for reform aren’t having their own destitution held over their heads.
meanwhile the military isn’t getting paid which could be a feature i suppose
IMO you’re right. The real issue is the amount of money some politicians get paid by lobbyists.
They get a ton of extra perks straight from the government that you don’t even want to know about because it should fill you with rage. They’re leeches.
Hey, come on, there’s no need to insult leeches.
Some of the best health care in the world.
I’ve seen speculation that the health care benefits are a big reason why 90 year old Congress critters refuse to retire.
They should finally just amend that paper to say “Fuck the People” instead of “We the People”. The “People” no longer have any say and the ballot box is like Schrödinger’s Cat.
The “People” no longer have any say
When did they?
Certainly not when the document was signed.
Well they wouldn’t write “We, the white christian male landowning people” since they didn’t consider the people outside this group as people anyway.
Funny how the government seemed to work fine with no shutdown during Biden’s presidential tenure.
Yeah, so weird how none of this crazy shit was happening before January.
There was an ugly shutdown fight in March of 2024. And Biden had ample share of bureaucratic bungles, largely due to his continued reliance on private contractors at firms like SpaceX and Palantir and Microsoft and Boeing.
That these tech giants ended up stabbing him in the back to move Trump into his seat only further illustrates how badly Biden mangled his single term in office.
Yeah we knew this from the last 5 times this happened
It was more subtle the last times. Normie’s are catching on.
If government shutdowns shut down everything (no usps mail delivery, no social security, no ice, no border crossings, no Medicare authorization, no air travel, etc) then they would never exist because it would become significant degradation in everyones quality of life.
So give the Republicans the government they actually want?
They didn’t say that.
Edit: Sorry, thought you were implying that dems should give in to avoid this scenario. Still waking up lol
They wouldn’t dare because then people would actually do something about it.
They should be forced to work just like the military is forced to.
Lock them all in the building, no tweeting, if they are hungry, they can eat prison food.
They stay there until conflict is resolved. Or they can resign their position and forever give up the right to be involed in politics… 🤷♂️
Such a pathetically stupid fucking country.
If our elected officials fail to do their jobs and keep the government open, it should auto-initiate special elections to vote them out within 6 weeks.
Would be nice, but unfortunately we can’t expect much more when this practice was set up during the Nixon administration, and executed first by Reagan.
Imagine, we made it near 200 years without such a thing as government shutdowns. Then poof, now we have only passed a budget on time 4 times in like 50 years. That would mean that Congress gets their job done about 8-10% of the time.
They should not have retirement or good benefits. If we ever get out of this elected officials should be held to a higher standard and given the bare minimum of what they give the citizens
Surprised look
You didn’t think they’d inconvenience themselves, did you?
