JFC don’t. We don’t even want to hear you. I would rather have AOC as a choice over you.
AOC would be a stellar choice IMO, but 90% of the 1% would probably be against her, and that’s about half of all the money in USA.
Social democracies in Scandinavia work DESPITE being undermined by the rich, so the political shrewdness and tenacity that would be required of her is insane. She would need a lot of backup from the population, and the population will need patience.Because rebuilding the institutions in USA to their former standard is already a lot of work, but rebuilding them to the standard of a proper social democracy is something USA has never seen before, and will be very difficult.
For starters it requires USA to become an actual democracy instead of the dysfunctional democracy that USA many Americans praise as divine and sent from heaven. A multi party system is a must for true democracy, and until USA has at least 8 parties represented in congress, it is not really a functioning democracy at all.Hey, keep away from AOC, we need her to take over Chuck’s Senate seat. The rest of you can have her after a term or three, she’ll still be plenty young enough to run, and maybe by then the country will be ready to vote for a woman for President…
From an outsider perspective, I think unless you get AOC now there’s not going to be much of a country left for another round sometime later… Bernie has spent his whole life with “maybe on the next one”. It will never be on the next one.
I say this as someone who loves AOC and what she does…
If AOC runs, she will lose.
That’s just the state of the nation right now. The only thing America hates more than women is a progressive. The culture of the country right now is way too volatile. The country just isn’t ready for a female president. Not because a woman can’t do it… but because the country is way too far gone with sexism and misogyny.
It was a long shot when Hillary ran, it was long shot when Kamala ran. If you think it’s not a long shot now after the MAGA crowd has been systematically destroying everything… and you want to run a Berniecrat woman? At this time? In this country?
I think you are right, and I also think it would be better for USA to “normalize” and find its center first.
Then AOC will have better chances of actually accomplishing something.Now we can only hope (as a foreigner) that USA will normalize, and not become a dictatorship.
How about they both run in the primaries in a democratic process?
Age Of Cowtron?
you thought kamala was bad? AOC would TANNKKK the dems
I hate how true this is. She’s popular with Millennials but that’s about it. The vast majority of democrat voters prefer conservative establishment candidates, and they think she’s too extreme.
Where is this bullshit coming from? Conservative establishment candidates have been what keeps losing, if they’re not already an incumbent.
I completely wish she won last election… but there’s no way we’re taking a risk on her again.
I’m not a huge fan of Newsom, but at least he’s been loudly attacking this current administration. Maybe she has too, but I don’t hear from her in my news cycles.
Unless some progressive comes out and surprises everyone, Newsom will likely be my choice.
Newsom is an opportunistic snake and will say whatever he needs to to get elected and then do absolutely whatever he wants and none of it will help you. He is not better than Trump, he IS Trump, for a different audience with different motivations.
I think Newsom is like a Republican from the 70s, but comparing him to Trump like that is insane. We need to get out of this mess and a moderate is FAR better than anything the Republicans can push out.
I’ll likely vote for the progressive in the primaries, but if Newsom is the candidate it’s better than the alternatives.
This is the state of American Democratic politics these days. If the candidate is not exactly what you want, then they’re Satan incarnate and they might as well let the Republicans win.
the acrual Left has made massive gains since Trump took the stage, hard not to agree that accelerationism might have been what we needed
Sure, if you’re not one of the victims of accelerationism and don’t care what happens to them while we accelerate.
Oh, he’ll be moderate, you think? Good luck with that. You think they pulled him out of a time machine from the 70s? They didn’t. He’s a product of the current political situation, he’s PART of the current political situation, he’s in the same orbits as all these people and he’s got the same people orbiting around him. If you think he’s going to move things back to the center I don’t think you understand how broken things really are. They’ve been broken for a long time, and they’re not broken in a repairable way. He’s not your champion, he’s not going to save you. You think voting for him represents “trying” to fix the problems but you’re just being led astray by organizations and powers that don’t give a fuck about any of us and are not motivated by anything we care about.
Okay, well you can vote for Vance then.
I understand what he is.
But compared to the shit show we have now… unless we get a progressive in there, what other choice do we have? Not voting? Going third party so that Repugs win again?
I don’t accept the premise that he is progressive in any meaningful way but you’re entitled to your opinion.
What other choice will there be in the next election? I don’t know, it’s too early to say. Maybe there won’t be another choice, but I think there will be plenty of interesting choices, which one is ideal is again much too early to call and you’re right we probably won’t achieve the ideal.
All I’m trying to say is, don’t trust him, and whatever ends up happening, whether he’s elected or not, don’t stop there. Job not done. He’s not going to fix this, he’s not a solution. More work needs to be done, so much more, by all of us. People need to learn civic responsibility again and start to participate in the democratic process beyond just showing up to vote. That means education, starting by educating ourselves first, which isn’t easy and it is being made harder every day. Then we can start to make progress towards unifying people, finding common ground, finding the things we can at least all agree on even if we don’t agree with the best way to do them, and starting to undo the merciless division that has been done to us. That also means outreach, that means activism, that means organizing, that means finding ways to change the system. Not all of them will be pretty. It might mean civil disobedience. It might mean violence. It might mean civil war. I don’t have a crystal ball to see what the future holds, all I know is that everyone who cares about the future of democracy in any way, shape, form or place, needs to start adjusting to the now hopefully clearly evident reality; it is not a given, we need to fight for it, and fight with everything we have, because there is clearly a lot stacked against us. But it does not mean we cannot win. In fact we must win, eventually. There is no other choice.
You may have misunderstood my last comment. I don’t think Newsom is progressive by any means. I always vote for the progressive candidates in the primary. And in the general, I’ll vote Democrat and whatever progressive propositions.
I just don’t think Kamala can win because people are sexist/racist… and she is pretty much the same moderate vision.
I think I did misunderstand then, sorry. At least I’ve hopefully made my position clear.
Fuck Newsom. AOC is the only valid one I’ve heard so far.
Do not pre comply with the bullshit autocrat wannabe Newsom being shoved down our throats.
He’s literally mimicking Trump and so many fucking stupid Dem voters are falling for the same thing we make fun of Republicans for.
Holy fuck, listen I plugged my nose and voted for her last time just like I did with Hillary and Biden, but I am absolutely not voting for Harris a second time. If that happens, the only “enabler” is the Democratic establishment and I don’t want to fucking hear “vote blue no matter who” after all this Mamdani shit. Stupid god damn fucking liberals, Jesus Christ.
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i voted for Waltz on the hope that maybe Harris would have some unfortunate accident early on and maybe we’d get an actual pro-labour president for once.
now…I just hope Mamdani sweeps NYC’s mayor race and maybe that wakes up progressives across the country, showing just how pathetically weak the establishment’s control is right now across the board if they can’t even keep a key NYC post.
whats wrong with biden? he was a ok guy. hope hes doing well.
He didn’t fight for what he needed to, and lead us straight to where we are.
I guess
Your rant should include an apology to the rest of us.
For what?
Who the fuck knows, it’s all in that annoying little fucker’s username lol. Maybe when he rolls off the dive bar floor tomorrow morning he can tell us.
I’d imagine they’re saying that not voting for Kamala is, in effect, not voting AGAINST the GOP.
So in that case, I think they mean the apology would be to everyone for allowing the GOP to win again.
Just explaining what I think they’re saying, not saying I agree or disagree with that sentiment.
I actually interpreted it as the opposite: that the choice to vote for Kamala and those other shitty Dems in the past was what got us here. Which is even stupider, but I was hoping to get it straight from the horse’s mouth tbh.
Really. Any interpretation is dumb. It’s a dumb comment.
For helping trump stay in office just because you did not get exactly what you want.
who is in her circle telling her that this is a good idea? Does she not have any close friends who can speak plainly to her?
You would think having lost to an actual piece of shit would be enough of a reality check. Just stop… ffs. The best thing Kamala can do is fade into obscurity like Al Gore.
Please no. Someone else.
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god im so happy im not american right now.
Let’s not and just say she did. Time to move on.
Please fuck off. Let Tim Walz run
I want Jasmine Crocket or AOC. Waltz will do though.
Please don’t.
nah, let her.
it’s time they had a proper third party down there anyways, the democrats are fucking useless
I agree the Democrats are useless, but the only time in modern history a third party has gotten any measurable percentage of the popular vote is when Ross Perot ran as an independent and got 19%.
Please fucking don’t
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Fuck it, let her. She had to drop out of the 2020 primary before voting started because she was on track to lose every single state, and she clearly hasn’t become more electable since then. All she could possibly do is siphon some votes and donor money off Newsom or Buttigieg. If that’s what she wants to do, I fully support that.
You inspired people not to vote. Go away.
Ensure we have no chance of winning.
I will not vote again for Kamala Harris, nor for any other ordinary, boring, middle-of-the-road Democrat. “Vote blue no matter who” brought us to this point, where Democrats are so spineless and compromised, only a handful of elected Dems are willing to oppose fascism. Never again, for me. Give me a candidate worth voting for — that’s the only way to get my vote.
Let’s remove the dictator first, then we can work on the Party. Harris is a bad choice either way.
Historically, the first step in removing the dictator is letting the fake controlled opposition party burn to the ground. Voting in corporate Dems is no different than voting for the fake opposition parties the Soviet dictators used to let run so they could brag about getting 99% of the vote.
We already tried your strategy, and it failed. We got some short-term wins, but at the cost of long-term defeat. In 2020, we followed your approach. We picked the useless corporate centrist because we saw him as more ‘electable’ and because we needed to get Trump out of office. And of course, what everyone on the left predicted would happen, happened. The centrist did very little to actually change the conditions that lead to Trump in the first place, and predictably, Trump won again with an even larger margin.
You need to start looking beyond just the election in front of you. Short-term thinking is what has got us into this mess. We’re so unwilling to take a short-term loss that we make short-sighted decisions on “electability” that ultimately end up losing us elections in both the short and long term.
Your strategy results in Kamala winning in 2028 and Steven Miller becoming president in 2032.
So if 2028 rolls around and you’re presented with a ballot with the choices “Donald Trump” and “Kamala Harris” on it for president, you’ll not vote for Kamala Harris?
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Did I stutter?
You might as well have.
I swear a few weeks ago she was leaving politics
