The camera only snaps a picture when people blow the traffic light. If everybody obeyed the traffic lights then nobody would ever get their car’s picture taken with the camera.
They have speed and traffic light cameras made by the same companies and they are pushing them out indiscriminately.
Also why should that company get money if someone speeds or goes through a red light? Why do they get that privilege but no one else does? The government getting fines is one thing but a private company is another
They have speed and traffic light cameras made by the same companies and they are pushing them out indiscriminately.
Who’s “they”?
Also why should that company get money if someone speeds or goes through a red light?
Around here, the company doesn’t get money. The fine is sent by the government and the government gets paid. I don’t know why it’s different for you, sounds like you need to change your government.
I live in Atlanta so they is the city of Atlanta I guess. I got a random fine in the mail and it was from a private company I don’t remember their name but the same cameras are all over my town now.
The cameras are in places where people have to drive everyday and the flow of traffic is usually slightly higher than the limit. You can’t avoid going by them so you are tracked no matter what. And if you forget and follow the flow of normal traffic you are getting a letter from the company in the mail asking for $200.
That’s not true. We have a ton of these popping up in my neighborhood in places where there haven’t been issues.
Also they are owned by private companies that pocket most of the money you pay the fine with.
Why do I need 5 of these on my way to work in the morning? That’s 5 times where if I accidentally went too fast I have to pay a private company $200. That’s up to 10 times a day I am at risk of a random fee to some company. Insane that you want that
Same discussions as in German; FFS people have to drive within the speedlimit. That’s the meaning of a limit. If you cannot do that reliably you will not get a fine for accidentally driving 3km/h under the limit. I do not understand how checking people for safe driving is seen as a predatory practice. Everybody getting fined is literally in the wrong.
American roads are massive and built so you can safely drive way higher than the limit, which means most people do. It sucks and the solution is to design roads better.
Currently we just have a system where going the speed limit causes backups and people make dangerous maneuvers to get around you.
Hell, I even got pulled over for ‘impeding the flow of traffic’ once when I was going slightly over the speed limit. Pig just gave me a warning, and I certainly would’ve succeeded in contesting it if he hadn’t, but our whole road infrastructure sucks
In America we like to build roads in such a way as they cannot reasonably work at posted speeds force everyone to speed somewhat and just pull over the minorities for speeding whilst black. For 20 years the maximum speed on the interstate highways was 55 mph or 88 kph. In case you aren’t familiar with the vernacular.
Interstate: A high-speed, controlled-access road in the U.S. network of highways designed for long-distance travel and linking major urban areas
It’s still common for there to be areas that for practical purposes roll at 10-15 mph over posted limit where literally every car is going that speed and being pulled over is basically a random act of police rather than actual normal law enforcement.
My only real issue with it is that there are a ton of them now and they are privately owned. If the fine went to the city that would be a different story.
Imagine if next they put a sensor right in your car so if you ever go over a limit you always get a fine. Would you still be into that? Would you buy that car?
Everyone goes over the speed limit at some point but usually there isn’t a cop there so there is no issue. It’s impossible to drive exactly the speed limit even if you wanted to
We found no evidence that red light cameras improve public safety. They don’t reduce the total number of vehicle accidents, the total number of individuals injured in accidents or the total number of incapacitating injuries that involve ambulance transport to a hospital.
“Evidence clearly shows that camera programs are effective at decreasing the number of vehicles running red lights. In one study in Virginia, red light cameras reduced the number of total drivers running red lights by 67 percent.” Seems pretty effective to me.
"When the Houston cameras were removed, angle accidents increased by 26 percent. However, all other types of accidents decreased by 18 percent. " So, a net increase in accidents. I can’t make their numbers match up with their conclusion.
“Evidence clearly shows that camera programs are effective at decreasing the number of vehicles running red lights. In one study in Virginia, red light cameras reduced the number of total drivers running red lights by 67 percent.” Seems pretty effective to me.
At reducing that one behavior? Sure, but we also have to look at what other impacts it has.
We could reduce the number of people running red lights by 100% if we removed traffic lights, doesn’t mean it’s a good solution.
"When the Houston cameras were removed, angle accidents increased by 26 percent. However, all other types of accidents decreased by 18 percent. " So, a net increase in accidents. I can’t make their numbers match up with their conclusion.
The next sentence is “Approximately one-third of all Houston intersection accidents are angle accidents. This suggests that the program’s drawbacks canceled out its benefits.”
Say there are 100 accidents, 33 of which are from people running red lights.
A 26% decrease in red light running accidents results in 9 fewer accidents from running red lights. (.26*33=8.58)
An 18% increase in other accidents results in 12 more accidents from people slamming on their brakes. (.18*66=11.88)
Different sorts of accidents. Red light cameras result in more fender benders, fewer T-bonings. In your example, 9 fewer T-bonings at the expense of 12 extra fender benders.
From the article: “We found no evidence that red light cameras improve public safety. They don’t reduce the total number of vehicle accidents, the total number of individuals injured in accidents or the total number of incapacitating injuries that involve ambulance transport to a hospital.”
If you have any research that contradicts it I’m open to reading it but the evidence indicates there are just as many serious accidents.
Reduction in Fatalities: Many studies indicate a reduction in fatal accidents at intersections equipped with red light cameras. A study from the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety (IIHS) found that states with red light camera enforcement saw a decrease of 24% in fatal red-light running crashes.
Decrease in Injuries: In addition to reducing fatalities, the same IIHS report noted that injuries at intersections also declined, with a 14% decrease in injuries related to red-light violations.
Overall Accident Rates: While some studies show a decrease in severe accidents, others note that total accident rates may increase. This is partly attributed to the phenomenon known as “rear-end collisions,” where vehicles that stop suddenly to avoid running a red light may lead to accidents."
Look, I will tell you this: I hear you, and I will. I know, I read some of my general comments today and, well, I should chill out a little. Sometimes it’s a lot of stress about the state of the world you know, sometimes about my life situation, about existential musings, about this and that, sometimes I vex revolutionary, what are you gonna do about it, fight me? Just kidding, I just wanna let you know that I read what you said, and yes, I should calm down. Sometimes it just gets to you, you know? It just like a hollow echo inside your soul, bouncing from one point to the other trying to find its place, like, and it just won’t stop buzzing around in there, but I guess that’s the case for most people anyways, so, anyway, likewise, and may god have mercy on our souls.
Yay! Crashes! 🥰
They would remove the camera not the traffic light. I don’t think that would cause an accident
The camera only snaps a picture when people blow the traffic light. If everybody obeyed the traffic lights then nobody would ever get their car’s picture taken with the camera.
They have speed and traffic light cameras made by the same companies and they are pushing them out indiscriminately.
Also why should that company get money if someone speeds or goes through a red light? Why do they get that privilege but no one else does? The government getting fines is one thing but a private company is another
Who’s “they”?
Around here, the company doesn’t get money. The fine is sent by the government and the government gets paid. I don’t know why it’s different for you, sounds like you need to change your government.
I live in Atlanta so they is the city of Atlanta I guess. I got a random fine in the mail and it was from a private company I don’t remember their name but the same cameras are all over my town now.
The cameras are in places where people have to drive everyday and the flow of traffic is usually slightly higher than the limit. You can’t avoid going by them so you are tracked no matter what. And if you forget and follow the flow of normal traffic you are getting a letter from the company in the mail asking for $200.
The reason the camera is there is because of the crashes that happened when it wasn’t.
That’s not true. We have a ton of these popping up in my neighborhood in places where there haven’t been issues.
Also they are owned by private companies that pocket most of the money you pay the fine with.
Why do I need 5 of these on my way to work in the morning? That’s 5 times where if I accidentally went too fast I have to pay a private company $200. That’s up to 10 times a day I am at risk of a random fee to some company. Insane that you want that
All good but “risk of a random fee” ?🤨
Same discussions as in German; FFS people have to drive within the speedlimit. That’s the meaning of a limit. If you cannot do that reliably you will not get a fine for accidentally driving 3km/h under the limit. I do not understand how checking people for safe driving is seen as a predatory practice. Everybody getting fined is literally in the wrong.
American roads are massive and built so you can safely drive way higher than the limit, which means most people do. It sucks and the solution is to design roads better.
Currently we just have a system where going the speed limit causes backups and people make dangerous maneuvers to get around you.
Hell, I even got pulled over for ‘impeding the flow of traffic’ once when I was going slightly over the speed limit. Pig just gave me a warning, and I certainly would’ve succeeded in contesting it if he hadn’t, but our whole road infrastructure sucks
In America we like to build roads in such a way as they cannot reasonably work at posted speeds force everyone to speed somewhat and just pull over the minorities for speeding whilst black. For 20 years the maximum speed on the interstate highways was 55 mph or 88 kph. In case you aren’t familiar with the vernacular.
It’s still common for there to be areas that for practical purposes roll at 10-15 mph over posted limit where literally every car is going that speed and being pulled over is basically a random act of police rather than actual normal law enforcement.
This comment is provided to you by the “the light was really yellow” crowd
My only real issue with it is that there are a ton of them now and they are privately owned. If the fine went to the city that would be a different story.
Imagine if next they put a sensor right in your car so if you ever go over a limit you always get a fine. Would you still be into that? Would you buy that car?
Sounds like a shithole country issue. Normal countries have a police and judiciary.
Ow yes please. If that’s what it takes for people like you to drive according to the rules, absofuckinglutely yes.
That is actually a legitimate concern. Add it to the long list of “technologies that are cool and good except when capitalism”
Maybe don’t speed
Everyone goes over the speed limit at some point but usually there isn’t a cop there so there is no issue. It’s impossible to drive exactly the speed limit even if you wanted to
Cool, sucks that we went with the vibes feels like it should help solution then.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/red-light-cameras-may-not-make-streets-safer/.
“Evidence clearly shows that camera programs are effective at decreasing the number of vehicles running red lights. In one study in Virginia, red light cameras reduced the number of total drivers running red lights by 67 percent.” Seems pretty effective to me.
"When the Houston cameras were removed, angle accidents increased by 26 percent. However, all other types of accidents decreased by 18 percent. " So, a net increase in accidents. I can’t make their numbers match up with their conclusion.
At reducing that one behavior? Sure, but we also have to look at what other impacts it has.
We could reduce the number of people running red lights by 100% if we removed traffic lights, doesn’t mean it’s a good solution.
The next sentence is “Approximately one-third of all Houston intersection accidents are angle accidents. This suggests that the program’s drawbacks canceled out its benefits.”
Say there are 100 accidents, 33 of which are from people running red lights.
A 26% decrease in red light running accidents results in 9 fewer accidents from running red lights. (.26*33=8.58)
An 18% increase in other accidents results in 12 more accidents from people slamming on their brakes. (.18*66=11.88)
So a net increase of 3 accidents.
Different sorts of accidents. Red light cameras result in more fender benders, fewer T-bonings. In your example, 9 fewer T-bonings at the expense of 12 extra fender benders.
From the article: “We found no evidence that red light cameras improve public safety. They don’t reduce the total number of vehicle accidents, the total number of individuals injured in accidents or the total number of incapacitating injuries that involve ambulance transport to a hospital.”
If you have any research that contradicts it I’m open to reading it but the evidence indicates there are just as many serious accidents.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8356316/ “Red light cameras (RLCs) reduce injuries but may have no effect on total crashes”
https://blinksandbuttons.net/are-red-light-cameras-effective/ "Studies have produced mixed results over the years, but several key findings can be highlighted:
Reduction in Fatalities: Many studies indicate a reduction in fatal accidents at intersections equipped with red light cameras. A study from the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety (IIHS) found that states with red light camera enforcement saw a decrease of 24% in fatal red-light running crashes.
Decrease in Injuries: In addition to reducing fatalities, the same IIHS report noted that injuries at intersections also declined, with a 14% decrease in injuries related to red-light violations.
Overall Accident Rates: While some studies show a decrease in severe accidents, others note that total accident rates may increase. This is partly attributed to the phenomenon known as “rear-end collisions,” where vehicles that stop suddenly to avoid running a red light may lead to accidents."
Do you want me to go on?
https://ww2.motorists.org/blog/6-cities-that-were-caught-shortening-yellow-light-times-for-profit/
Absolutely nothing there suggests any of it was done for profit.
It’s showtime
“Sir! The unfed masses are tearing down cameras to sell them for food!”
“BUT WHAT ABOUT PROPERTY VALUES? HAVE THEY NO SENSE OF COMMUNITY?!”
Christ. Calm down.
Look, I will tell you this: I hear you, and I will. I know, I read some of my general comments today and, well, I should chill out a little. Sometimes it’s a lot of stress about the state of the world you know, sometimes about my life situation, about existential musings, about this and that, sometimes I vex revolutionary, what are you gonna do about it, fight me? Just kidding, I just wanna let you know that I read what you said, and yes, I should calm down. Sometimes it just gets to you, you know? It just like a hollow echo inside your soul, bouncing from one point to the other trying to find its place, like, and it just won’t stop buzzing around in there, but I guess that’s the case for most people anyways, so, anyway, likewise, and may god have mercy on our souls.