• andyburke@fedia.io
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    1 day ago

    Years too late.

    Meanwhile, what support we could muster here in the US from the start continues to wane.

    I hate agreeing with the right, but the EU has wanted this solved for them and only as it becomes obvious that UA can’t rely on a country half a world away to save it has the EU actually started to do the work.

    Meanwhile, Europeans throw shit at Americans about all this.

    What the fuck?

    Glad to see this happen, keep going. But damn if it doesn’t make y’all look just as shitty and incompetent as us Americans.

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      Meanwhile, what support we could muster here in the US from the start continues to wane.

      The support from the US has basically been zero since January, and since July Europe has been shit too: https://www.kielinstitut.de/publications/news/ukraine-support-tracker-military-aid-falls-sharply-despite-new-nato-initiative/

      it becomes obvious that UA can’t rely on a country half a world away to save it

      I mean, the US did sign a pretty big treaty saying they would…

      has the EU actually started to do the work.

      Bull fucking shit. Europe has sent more aid to Ukraine than the US since day one.

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        I mean, the US did sign a pretty big treaty saying they would…

        NATO is big, but Russia has so far avoided anything that would trigger it. They are skirting the edges, but so far nothing that matters.

        The US did exactly what the treaty with Ukraine said: they brought this matter to the UN security console - where Russia used their veto to ensure nothing happened.

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      I hate agreeing with the right

      Then don’t. Make no mistake, we are living in the world the United States wanted. It’s disingenuous for the right to come along and be like “look at these freeloading Europeans” when hegemony was the reason the United States ordered things the way they were.

      The reason they talk like this is because the American political class has been successfully captured by Russia and Russia now sets the agenda. Hegemony for the United States is decidedly not at the top of their list.

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      I feel your sentiment, but the reality is straightforward - Arms manufacture in the US is years ahead of the EU. We’re catching up fast (not at wartime rate, but fast) but you guys were so, so far ahead of us that all we could do was look around and naively go “FUCK” then start pumping money into the problem (both supporting Ukraine financially and building our arms industry).

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      I can’t imagine a bigger embarrassment for America or Europe if it ends up true that European social democracy was completely dependent on American military subsidies

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        In what world would European social democracy have been dependent on American military subsidies?

        We have given Ukraine more since the get go financially and as purchases of arms from the US while we rebuilt our (naively quiet) arms industry.

        The embarrassment is in thinking that a huge amount of trade with Russia would deter invasion and on that I, and everyone else, is rightly embarrassed.

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          Right wing parties are already resurgent in Europe and money spent on war has to come from somewhere.

          We have many reasons to worry and not many reasons to feel good.

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            If history has shown us anything, it’s that right wing parties love war.

            To ease your mind a little, the most recent general election in Ireland had us move left and the presidential election was another, fairly hard, shift left.

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              Oh I actually have full faith in the Irish yall have been absolutely admirable lately. You have no idea how popular Ireland has become here among the left

              My worries are squarely on the mainland specifically how immigration propaganda continues to be extremely effective, the future of austerity, and if Russian backed parties will actually succeed

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                That’s very kind. Thank you. I genuinely don’t see us as outliers, we just use our small country position to make harder stances. The Baltics do the same. Absolutely love them.

                I absolutely swear to fuck that we, along with the huge level of very deliberate European integration policies (and I firmly believe that the forward thinking of the Erasmus program is the best money the EU ever spent) will prevent any madness.

                I know they’re making gains, but I firmly believe that good sense and education will prevail.

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                  Yeah the European project is really fabulous to behold as an outsider especially. Also incredibly frustrating to see such different peoples unify so effectively while America somehow always divides

                  Still I actually think America will also prevail against this moment, in no small part due to some wisdom of our anti monarchist founders and the brilliant notion of federalism, but also because I beleive the majority of people in America and Europe are in fact on the correct side of most issues.

                  But I also think we shouldn’t hesitate to raise the alarm bells because it’s us who must maintain constant vigilance. It’s a lot easier to destroy than create.

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    Those fucking morons need an agreement to actually ban anything russian?Who voted for those idiots? And they now weep and wonder why people don’t care and vote for the “good guys”? Fuck that fucking shit. I’m ashamed to be european every day thanks to those spineless idiots.