Someone I know cosplays as a Nazi. He doesn’t walk around the streets wraring an armband. He goes in full military gear, riding around on an original WWII german bike with sidecar at WWII historic events. You know, like a cosplayer.
Correction in regards to 2: When you’re in the “are we the baddies”-sketch it’s OK. In fact, I’d say David Mitchell has a free pass, as he always manages to portray the insecurity required to become a nazi.
Fun fact I have a swedish tankers trench coat from 1940 and a Swiss helmet from 1942 when I wear them together it basically looks like legally distinct werhmacht. I can pull the samething with an American armor school long coat and a Yugoslav helmet for the Soviet equivalent.
It’s technically not Nazi apparel. It annoys my friends though.
Well aware but kitbashed great value brand versions of historical uniforms is just kinda a weird side effect of me collecting military surplus and military antiques.
I think it more reminds me how easily influenced we can be. “Go find out” is great, but its not possible to research everything you see. Even if I did I’d only find other people talking about the video and would have no real way of discerning who actually knows what theyre talking about and who’s just making credible sounding shit up.
Do you guys not feel that worry somewhere in your mind when you see things like this?
I mean, it’s not like me enjoying the video is going to affect the guy who got punched. I think it’s good that as a society we support videos that appear to show Nazi cosplayers being punched and don’t give them the benefit of the doubt. If I were actually there IRL and able to affect the outcome, I would also be able to ask for the necessary information to determine what to do.
You’re allowed, but surely you’d be aware enough not to walk in your costume outside the set. The same goes for theatre or anything. An actor who thinks it’s a good idea to walk outside in a nazi costume has it coming, and that’s a good thing.
Or a movie prop. Or a weird stag night. Or a mentally ill person unaware of the severity of the joke. Or theres a gunman behind the camera making him put the armband on. Or digitally altered before release. Or the list goes on.
What you think you see “Nazi scum punished”
What you actually saw “man gets punched”
Im lowkey shook fr how easily #2 becomes #1. Again, I’d like to point out I’m all for nazis getting fucked up.
So youre happy that you know based on a 2 second gif and it doesn’t even slightly worry you how easy it is? Maybe it was cut to only show the good bit, but maybe its been cut to rob you of any context.
We have the ability to make anything look like anything, and we’re cheering on violence based on a momentary flash of bad-guy logo, while being the same species that had literal witch- finders like a few generations ago.
I’m more worried now, because instead of seeing the point I’m trying to make people seem to be assuming I’m defending nazis.
Listen it took 4 hours and 70 odd down arrows before anyone provided any actual information, and you people are still piling on.
Minimum 70 people. I dont have enough of a metaphysical language set to get the original point across, but there are lessons to be learned here for all of us.
I fully believe that you are antifascist in sentiment. I also see that you are asking people to show some skepticism about media that is obscure in origin and used to evoke strong feelings.
I was a media literacy activist for decades and this was one of the basic points, that framing can reverse the meaning of an image or video or even story. So you are essentially just asking people to show a little media literacy, which is laudable.
Your manner of argument, in a highly charged subject, is tone deaf, which is what seems to have triggered the downvotes. Righteousness is druglike, the veracity of the recorded action is immaterial, and we all need the narrative that punching nazis is normal. Plus, actual nazi propaganda techniques include sowing doubt about their existence, making false equivalencies, minimizing their transgressions, etc., and the tone deaf manner made it look like you were doing that.
The sources for this video indicate the person wearing the armband:
Harassed a black man on a bus.
Walked around downtown Seattle for an hour dressed that way.
Had several verbal confrontations with passerby who commented on his clothing. Source 1
Several 911 calls were placed about this man attempting to instigate fights.
The man declined to file a police report after the police did appear. Source 2
For at least an hour at any point leading up to this, the person wearing the armband could have taken it off and stopped interacting with others. To my knowledge, the person who was punched has never spoken to media to explain why they were dressed as such, despite the massive internet fame of the video.
Do you still feel uncomfortable? Do you know in your bones if the person deserved it?
In this specific case im happy enough thanks for that. Thats actually cheered me up a little.
I’m not sure if I’ll ever truly get there, think I’ll be a little more comfortable joining the mob without context next time. This is the most consistent engagement I’ve ever had on this site and I think ive learned a thing or two here.
Well, don’t join the mob blindly. Do your own research. The above information was gathered from one internet search using the available context clues from this post.
It did not take very long and was easy.
Then calculate it appears to be a guy wearing a nazi arm band
then consider that it would be the shittiest idea for a halloween costume south of blackface and even wearing nazi garb would likely get you a rightful ass-kicking.
There’s no math there that makes that even slightly questionable.
Yeah, his hand coming up in a way that could be “this isn’t what you think” doesn’t help. The description makes the situation sound very different though and there’s not much of an excuse for the armband right now. But yeah, not a fan of the gif now I’ve seen it
That video always makes me uncomfortable because I dont know the actual context. Maybe he was in Halloween fancy dress?
Yes fuck nazis, but I dont know in my bones the person deserved it.
Yeah, I think you should cosplay as a nazi the same way we wear fake guns. You better make it abundantly clear that it’s a toy/costume.
Someone I know cosplays as a Nazi. He doesn’t walk around the streets wraring an armband. He goes in full military gear, riding around on an original WWII german bike with sidecar at WWII historic events. You know, like a cosplayer.
YOU NEVER COSPLAY AS A NAZI…
Correction in regards to 2: When you’re in the “are we the baddies”-sketch it’s OK. In fact, I’d say David Mitchell has a free pass, as he always manages to portray the insecurity required to become a nazi.
Mr Chaplain also does a great job with it
Unless you’re cosplaying a dead Nazi
Fun fact I have a swedish tankers trench coat from 1940 and a Swiss helmet from 1942 when I wear them together it basically looks like legally distinct werhmacht. I can pull the samething with an American armor school long coat and a Yugoslav helmet for the Soviet equivalent.
It’s technically not Nazi apparel. It annoys my friends though.
Kinda weird dude…
Well aware but kitbashed great value brand versions of historical uniforms is just kinda a weird side effect of me collecting military surplus and military antiques.
I think it more reminds me how easily influenced we can be. “Go find out” is great, but its not possible to research everything you see. Even if I did I’d only find other people talking about the video and would have no real way of discerning who actually knows what theyre talking about and who’s just making credible sounding shit up.
Do you guys not feel that worry somewhere in your mind when you see things like this?
I mean, it’s not like me enjoying the video is going to affect the guy who got punched. I think it’s good that as a society we support videos that appear to show Nazi cosplayers being punched and don’t give them the benefit of the doubt. If I were actually there IRL and able to affect the outcome, I would also be able to ask for the necessary information to determine what to do.
So we’re not allowed to make movies that show the horrific history of Nazi Germany?
You’re allowed, but surely you’d be aware enough not to walk in your costume outside the set. The same goes for theatre or anything. An actor who thinks it’s a good idea to walk outside in a nazi costume has it coming, and that’s a good thing.
https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/comment/18212399
Halloween fancy dress?
Dude… give me a break.
Or a movie prop. Or a weird stag night. Or a mentally ill person unaware of the severity of the joke. Or theres a gunman behind the camera making him put the armband on. Or digitally altered before release. Or the list goes on.
What you think you see “Nazi scum punished”
What you actually saw “man gets punched”
Im lowkey shook fr how easily #2 becomes #1. Again, I’d like to point out I’m all for nazis getting fucked up.
If it is a movie prop than the person stays on the lot. There is no stag night justification, mental illness ok…
But you are reaching.
There are certain things you never choose to do. Pretending to be be a Nazi is one of them.
So youre happy that you know based on a 2 second gif and it doesn’t even slightly worry you how easy it is? Maybe it was cut to only show the good bit, but maybe its been cut to rob you of any context.
We have the ability to make anything look like anything, and we’re cheering on violence based on a momentary flash of bad-guy logo, while being the same species that had literal witch- finders like a few generations ago.
I’m more worried now, because instead of seeing the point I’m trying to make people seem to be assuming I’m defending nazis.
You are normalizing them by defending a guy who chose to dress as one in public.
Because you are you fucking moron
Listen it took 4 hours and 70 odd down arrows before anyone provided any actual information, and you people are still piling on.
Minimum 70 people. I dont have enough of a metaphysical language set to get the original point across, but there are lessons to be learned here for all of us.
I fully believe that you are antifascist in sentiment. I also see that you are asking people to show some skepticism about media that is obscure in origin and used to evoke strong feelings.
I was a media literacy activist for decades and this was one of the basic points, that framing can reverse the meaning of an image or video or even story. So you are essentially just asking people to show a little media literacy, which is laudable.
Your manner of argument, in a highly charged subject, is tone deaf, which is what seems to have triggered the downvotes. Righteousness is druglike, the veracity of the recorded action is immaterial, and we all need the narrative that punching nazis is normal. Plus, actual nazi propaganda techniques include sowing doubt about their existence, making false equivalencies, minimizing their transgressions, etc., and the tone deaf manner made it look like you were doing that.
Dude come on. Context alone.
Did you just really ignore monuments comment two above?
I guess we know where your sympathies land
The one that was posted a clear hour after? Im not a time traveller man
The sources for this video indicate the person wearing the armband:
Source 1
Source 2
For at least an hour at any point leading up to this, the person wearing the armband could have taken it off and stopped interacting with others. To my knowledge, the person who was punched has never spoken to media to explain why they were dressed as such, despite the massive internet fame of the video.
Do you still feel uncomfortable? Do you know in your bones if the person deserved it?
In this specific case im happy enough thanks for that. Thats actually cheered me up a little.
I’m not sure if I’ll ever truly get there, think I’ll be a little more comfortable joining the mob without context next time. This is the most consistent engagement I’ve ever had on this site and I think ive learned a thing or two here.
Well, don’t join the mob blindly. Do your own research. The above information was gathered from one internet search using the available context clues from this post.
It did not take very long and was easy.
Fancy dress? That’s a stretch. Usually in fancy dress you’re imitating someone. Who is he meant to be? Just a generic Nazi.
Consider:
Someone is getting knocked the F out on camera.
There is a crowd of people
No one is stopping or diffusing the situation
No one is stopping over the check on the fallen
Then calculate it appears to be a guy wearing a nazi arm band
then consider that it would be the shittiest idea for a halloween costume south of blackface and even wearing nazi garb would likely get you a rightful ass-kicking.
There’s no math there that makes that even slightly questionable.
Bait used to be believable SMH my head…
Yeah, his hand coming up in a way that could be “this isn’t what you think” doesn’t help. The description makes the situation sound very different though and there’s not much of an excuse for the armband right now. But yeah, not a fan of the gif now I’ve seen it