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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.zip/post/55094518
“The UK government wants technology companies to block explicit images on phones and computers by default to protect children, with adults having to verify their age to create and access such content,” the FT report said. “Ministers want the likes of Apple and Google to incorporate nudity-detection algorithms into their device operating systems to prevent users taking photos or sharing images of genitalia unless they are verified as adults.”
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England is turning into a really proper shithole country
American here…first time?
As the dad of a teenager, I am “encouraging” him to put nudity blocking systems on his phone.
oh shit would you look at that i just taught him how to go around me and hide his behavior better im sure there will be no future consequences whatsoever
The important thing isn’t that your kids don’t see porn, it’s that they feel the requisite amount of shame and never talk to you about their sexuality.
Also, it’s one more thing we can criminalize in a surveillance state. So now we can more easily extort horny people with fines and prison if we feel the need
Even if you’re morally opposed to the various things this addresses, it is so immensely concerning and unwise to want a corporation to have this much control over your actions, daily life, and liberty.
I don’t think enough people talk about that.
This has been very obvious to a lot of people since mobile devices were originally invented. The notion that you are sold a product that you “own” but is still 100% controlled by the vendor - anyone who thought about it for more than a second knew that it would eventually come to this. Of course, nobody gave even that tiny amount of thought about it. Or they were too naïve to think that a corporation could ever be evil.
I miss the times when spyware was considered uncoool. Mobile devices are the undoubtedly the worst invention of the information age. (And social media is probably the second worst.)
Literally. Why should a corporation control when you wank?
The only time a corporation should care, is when they are in the business of selling sex toys. Then it should only be in so far that you enjoy using their products and want to use them more.
Corporations should be pro sex or absolutely ambivalent. There’s zero reason for them to be against it.
I get that, but I don’t even mean it in that sense. A corporation should not have any control over what I do whatsoever unless I’m their employee.
And even if you are an employee, only in work related stuff and during business hours, the rest, get out of my life.
I want them to ban porn so I feel dirty when I watch it.
I’m normally not one to kink shame, but I’m shaming you right now.
Shame me harder daddy
If there was a decent salary, I’d do it
OMG. These plans are getting on my nerves.
When a parent gives a kid their device and sets the child’s birthday, then enable these. If the birthday is over 18, the let them do what they want.
Let parents parent the kid and get the government out of my life.
Or just don’t fucking age gate shit.
Seriously who the fuck cares if a kid sees a titty?
Worse is that it likely won’t be able to distinguish between intentionally titilating material and material intended to educate. Only over 18 are allowed to learn about human physiology after submitting identifying information.
I’ve been watching porn since I was 10.
That’s all. Porn is great.
Well porn (as in actual porn) is bad for your mental health. But seeing a titty here and there isn’t.
No it isn’t.
Especially with titties, you think your five year old can’t deduce that those bumps on women’s chest have a nipple on it just like theres. Even if they can’t I doubt that revelation will be traumatic or earth shattering.
NSFW, sorta?
There already should be a distinction between what is a child and what is a teen - there is a huge difference and these laws don’t take that into consideration. The only thing these laws do is remain as an ageist weapon that create discrimination.
Children generally aren’t that interested in nudity and most don’t understand porn, just that it’s something shocking
That is true, the problem with nudity isn’t with age anymore - it’s with the perceived notion that nudity is damaging in some mysterious way.
Some countries are allowed to have nudity on tv which brings this indoctrinated viewpoint to perspective. In fact, this is viewed as normal no matter the age in such countries. In addition, sex-ed for older children and teenagers is of higher quality compared to western countries which prohibit nudity.
worst thing for sexuality the UK ever did was let the protestants flee to the US instead of executing them (which they had no trouble doing with so many other “undesirables”), now their braindead dogma is spreading back across the pond
Ah yes the simple answer to the world’s problems is… genocide?
there’s no room for tolerating intolerance, had the protestants been wiped out instead of dumped in NA the world at large would be better for it
I remember coming across nude skins for gmod back in the day, I just… moved on and didn’t download them because I was a kid with no interest.
It’s kind of unfortunate how much this has been encouraged by petty online fights. People were very excited when “will somebody think of the children” was applied to, say, some social media content or gaming loot boxes because the Internet did not like those things, so they were very happy to ignore the pre-existing parental control devices and request blanket bans. Then people remembered that a bunch of old, prudish people on both sides of the political aisle don’t like porn and it was too late.
Man, people love the “they first came for” argument online and I should have guessed the first time it really pays off in the 21st century it’d include the absolute most depressing things possible instead.
Anyway, this is bad and I don’t like it, but UK politics are almost as bad as US politics, so I’m happy to let both stew in their own cautionary tale juices.
None of those other things should require any sort of identity or age verification, though. In the case of loot boxes, government should be able to tell companies, “hey, you can’t sell that here”. In the case of age verification and nudity scanning there’s a whole host of issues from the fact that people don’t find loot boxes to be taboo or embarrassing to the fact that people do find nudity and porn embarrassing, to the fact that any scanning systems will false flag, to questions about who has access to the data that is submitted and how long it is stored, to how easy it could be to misuse the systems to go after disadvantaged groups (we all know LGBT content will intentionally be covered by this, whether they’re open about it or not, right?), to whether or not the system will be used for other purposes that either aren’t being said aloud or won’t be realized until after it’s implemented.
I… don’t know where you’re from, but actual gambling is legal here for adults. Are you suggesting that people should be able to place bets on actual sports but not buy a random loot box in a game? That seems incredibly extreme.
Which still leaves a bunch of other stuff people have used kids to attack on all sides of multiple political aisles, but hey, if that’s the one you want to caveat I’m happy to flag how weird the caveat is.
I think there could be reasons a government/people would want loot boxes to be not allowed that don’t relate to gambling and/or kids. I know there were some people that said “think of the kids!” when the discussion was going on, but my point is that there may not be direct overlap because the implementation and its effects are greater than simply disabling the ability to buy loot boxes in a particular region.
The loot box issue is more like telling a vape company that they can sell oils as long as they don’t contain THC. This issue is more like saying, “You can sell the THC oils in any market or store, but every market and store in the country must check every item every user wants to buy for the presence of THC by to sending an image of that product to an AI that will tell you whether or not the user needs an age check to buy the item. If they do, the user cannot buy the item unless you take a photo of the user’s ID and send it to some random company that will use the photo to verify the user is allowed to use THC.”
It’s an entirely higher level of complication and risk, so I’d excuse the “think of the kids” people that went after loot boxes in this particular case. But I’d also be curious about how much “think of the kids” overlap there is anyway.
I didn’t mention any other cases because I didn’t know which specific issues you were referencing other than loot boxes. I wasn’t sure which social media content you were referring to, but you can imagine how I’d view it if it’s something like chat control or any other system relying on AI or age verification to control access.
Also, the lower the taboo of the item being accessed, the more generous I am with these things. I still don’t like it, but no one is going to be ashamed if their love of loot boxes is leaked, for instance.
I genuinely don’t know that I follow that explanation. For one thing, what reasons would there be to ban paid blind boxes, online or offline, while allowing outright games of chance with a monetary payout? In what world is a Magic the Gathering blister more of a problem (for a consenting adult, anyway) than an online casino?
But also, by the larger point you’re making it seems like you’d be fine with a government saying “porn is banned for everybody because reasons” but not with “porn is banned for kids”, at least in a scenario where that comes with age verification.
To be clear, I agree that both of those are… not good. I just don’t know that I can wrap my head around the logic of thinking the more extensive issue is more acceptable than the alternative. You could argue that the porn ban is an excuse to add mass surveillance, but at that point we’re not talking about the porn ban, we’re talking about the mass surveillance.
Oh, and for the record, there is plenty of will someone think of the children regarding loot boxes. Both on its own and bundled together with a blanket assessment that gambling is immoral and/or illegal. It’s actually a fairly close match to the porn issue, where concerns about children are being wrapped around a more targeted hostility around the concept from both sides of the political spectrum.
That seems the most sensible way of doing things. Apple probably doesn’t want that outcome though because then they’ll be liable for the implementation rather than, for example, the social networks or websites.
Always gotta be thinking about the Apple shareholders.
Honestly, No. I don’t want my phone making decisions for me or my kids. If its site by site, they can just go somewhere else.
As a parent, I’m far more worried about shitty social media algorithms that push narratives and online bullying and misinformation than I am about nudity. People have bodies, sex happens, it’s normal, whatever. I’d rather my kid learned about all that instead of being sheltered away from it until they turned 18.
If anything, normalizing nudity and acceptance of different body types is probably a good thing for kids to learn, especially females where a constant narrative of “skinny, pretty, perfect” is being shoved on them and shaming them for not being a super model is considered the status quo.
Let me make that decision as a parent, don’t try to protect my kids for me.
In the end it isn’t about the kids , what they want is control and tracking of everyone.
Of course it is, because nobody is willing to try and quantify or qualify the harms that seeing pornography has on a young person. It’s just “adult content” so we’ll go so far as to put VR headsets on everyone and ask them to verify their age or else they get a PG, low-polygon representation of reality!
Puritanical bullshit… what the fuck.
*It’s like tumblr banning nudity, which basically came down to banning any picture containing nipples. Except like, for a whole backwards country.
Man, I was at tumblr when this was being implemented. It was so fucking stupid and everyone knew it.
UK war on …nudity?
Them being prude is nothing new but this takes the cake.
It’s not about nudity. It’s about control. The government wants full control over your computer and mobile phones.
I don’t think it’s anything as sinister from the current government. I’m not saying it’s a good idea, but they’re more stupid and weak than they are totalitarian. British Labour has had an obsession with “tech” solutions for social issues since the start of the Blair years. Sometimes it works, but as often it’s mired in incompetency and corruption.
I suspect that this recent spate of apparent puritanism is because they recognise that gender-based and sexual violence are “issues” after the discourse around Adolescence, but they can’t/don’t want to do anything actually meaningful (improve welfare, job opportunities, life prospects) so are latching onto what they believe are “easy” solutions. No-one with power actually understands how net infrastructure works, or cares about privacy as a principle, but they do have a group think that also leads them to think that this might make some inroads with “the right.”
It’s all absolute garbage being slapped together by career politicians who don’t understand anything and are primarily interested either in their next election or their post-parliament careers.
Looks like click-bait. It is a proposal from by one old fart in the 800 member House of Lords. Not a serious Bill.
Read this thread…
https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/1pnsawo/comment/nubbach/
Having said that, it is important to nip such ideas in the bud.
Bringing back the prudish Victorian era?
I could actually imagine Starmer flustered by the sight of an ankle.
that will quickly turn into “continuously monitor your users’ screens for what they are doing so you can detect nudity” where the real aim will ofcourse be surveillance and selling highly personal data. I don’t know about Apple but google will be all over it.
Apple just has better image control
Ahhhhhh just fuck off you useless cunts! Why don’t you fix the fact that we’ve got kids fucking starving in this country before worrying about if they’ve seen tits before they’re 18?!
It’s dumb shit like this that is really pushing me to KMS once my mother has passed on. I can’t stand sharing oxygen with these morons.
Never KYS for something that’s somebody else’s fault.
At the very least take them with you.
Look I’m just fed up with dealing with the slow burning of everything around me all because about a dozen people want extra zeros on their net worth and are tempting politicians to implement draconian laws with comparitivly miniscule bribes and I am obligated to spend 1/3 of my life and 2/3rds of my income satiating the desires of these bastards.
Fuck em. I’m done. I want peace, permanent peace.
Every person against this sort of thing that checks out is just giving them less resistance. It sucks to have to deal with it, and it’s a constant fight, but you’re not just fighting for yourself.
I’m sick of trying to educate people to see the bleeding obvious robbery of our lives when they’d rather blame their neighbours just because they have a different skin tone and it’s less effort mentally than trying to understand the situation with all the neuances. I’m sick of fighting and struggling for a better life for them as well because they don’t even want it. What’s the point of putting in the effort when these ignorant fools don’t even help and actively work against their own interests?
I’m mentally and physically exhausted, and I just want to sleep forevermore.
That’s when you take a break and let someone else deal with it until you’re ready again. Or focus on a different fight and let that one go. You’re irreplaceable, but your participation in that specific fight is not essential.
I hope you can find a break. I get tired of it, too. Sometimes just not reading the news or social media for a while is enough to recharge. The news and online commentary makes it impossible to even get small breaks that would’ve been common two decades ago and the consumption of it all can be exhausting enough to prevent us from taking any other actions.
I really never should have opened this thread, but hard agree. I’m doing the small bit I can to help out and I only have that energy because I (mostly) stopped clicking on news and aggressively curated my online experience to be free of politics or depressing news. It’s easier to fight the good fight when you are not constantly being shown 28483838 bad things and 28483838 fights to fight. Even without algorithms that want to maximize engagement and that thus maximize outrage, human nature tends to focus on the bad and engage with outraging things (which is why A Bad Thing Happened constantly dominates Technology feeds instead of spiels about this or that tech advancement). If seeing all this paralyzes you into despair and/or doomscrolling like it paralyzes me, you have to actively try to work against that tendency or just try to avoid getting shown outrage in the first place.
What meaningful way of fighting this is there?
I fear it won’t be long before people decide to an hero in a spectacular way against their local fascist strongholds for the same reasons you outline.
At some point, people are going to have nothing to lose and the desire to send a message to those in power.
wont be long, we’re about to have a bubble-pop/crash to rival 2000-2008 combined, anyone with exposure to US markets gonna have a bad time
The only thing that’s important for them and their ego is hallucinating problems and making up solutions which benefit nobody.
We live in an age where children and teens are getting their rights stripped because of said perceived “dangers” - real effort being done into something that will harm everybody. While realistic problems such as starvation and poverty get swept up under the rug.
Honest question, but have you guys in the UK always been dealing with the conservative morality police or is this a more recent thing? As an American, these people have been a constant detriment to a functioning society for… ever?
My understanding is that such forces have been comparatively insignificant in your country, but “comparatively insignificant” probably says more about how things are here than anything else.
Kier Starmer is a nevernude. Pass it on.
I bet he takes a bath in a swimsuit
Jesus fucking Christ I hate this shithole of a country
What a joke world we are living in. UK is getting too crazy with their “protection children” and introducing age limits by people providing their password and IDs. And chat control. And now this again, blocking these pictures would require massive privacy issues and closed source operating systems that will lock the user down like North Korea.
Meanwhile their prince Andrew was ‘protecting’ the children right
Year of the linux phone
If they make it obligatory,
sudo systemctl disable uk-spyware(I know that in that case it would be illegal to disable, solvable with
sudo systemctl enable uk-spyware-spoof)
