Real privacy starts when you check app permissions and stop giving flashlight apps your location.
It’s hilarious that OP thought going full in o proton is the other end of the “I love privacy” spectrum. How the fuck are you here on lemmy and that uneducated and ignorant on all this? These are two people a couple of steps away from each other on one end, not even close to what the meme actually is. I wouldn’t be surprised at all if this was rage bait, because it’s dumb enough to be that. Or a proton shill, which definitely exists here.
We all know privacy is purple, we just can’t agree on the exact shade.
I want another person with neck beard disgusted by both of them using Tor, I2P, Qubes, and GrapheneOS
I just wish we could find each other irl. I’m the tin foil privacy nerd everywhere I go.
We’re all too private for that lol
Fucking hoisted by our own petards.
Replace all the icons on her side with just a thought bubble:
.oO( BRUH. LEAVE ME ALONE! )
In guessing the left is Proton but those icons are about as bad as googles.
I don’t trust proton either
The company could flip any time but for now their products are pretty good as a google alternative. I use the calendar, mail, cloud, contacts and vpn app and have zero complaints. Plus they couldn’t access any of my data if they wanted to.
they couldn’t access any of my data if they wanted to.
I am not so sure that’s true
Do you want bitcoin? They offer that! Go get it, crypto bro.
Don’t tell me you shop at Aldi unless you have purchased ALL of their products!
Don’t you tell me how to shop the aisle of shame
i trust them more than google. they’ve been a little sketchy lately (bc of the ai stuff, not the ceos political stuff) but at least only one entity has my data this way. I’d rather self-host but i can’t rn.
they’ve been known to collaborate with governments and have been accused of forcing traffic through an Israeli contractor. i can’t trust them.
Who do you trust?
riseup
This meme format is sexist. Why is it always always always the woman who has the negative side?
You would have to be terminally online to be upset over something this trivial
we all are,
I think it’s a fair point. Anyone could be either person so no one instance of this is directly offensive, but I agree memes like this seem to routinely put down women.
I don’t think op is pissing and shitting and crying over it, there’s just no place to talk about it other than the meme itself. Anyone could criticise your comment in the same way, and it’s just a strawman argument.
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Third party service run by corpos who pinky promise not to harvest any of your data
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In-app tool that doesn’t cache your client-side data
Is the woman the negative side on this?
I think that was the intent. Lemmy is extremely anti-Google.
I genuinely wonder what people think they’re using a VPN for. Do they think they’ve outwitted a trillion dollars in surveillance with an $8/mo subscription service?
A VPN is part of a toolset. No tool alone is enough, and they only really work for some porpoises.
Some people think it is enough. Some people think chrome incognito is enough. Some people are wrong.
I’m any case, privacy is a spectrum. I can’t be untraceable by state agents, but I can avoid a lot of non targeted spying.
I’m any case, privacy is a spectrum. I can’t be untraceable by state agents, but I can avoid a lot of non targeted spying.
Absolutely. But then, as often as not, just using the browser feature that doesn’t cache client side data is enough.
The only thing that does is prevents other people who have physical access to the computer from seeing your gross browsing habits though…which I guess might be enough for many.
I mean it def makes it harder to track.
Ummm yes I am betting people think that. Are they wrong? It makes sense that Google could do that if they really wanted to, but I doubt they do pretty much anything that doesn’t have a profit motive.
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What? I always thought the guy was the negative side! The woman is the reasonable normie, the guy is the weirdo tinfoil hat nerd!
What even are all those crappy icons?
They are both the bad side in this case.
The format doesn’t seem to be inherently. Have you tried interacting with fewer dudes?
This meme format is inherently sexist. Anytime you have a meme format that has both a man and a woman on it, and one side is going to be the “bad” side, it’s always going to bring out the biases of whoever is creating it.
1 Semantics, but that doesn’t sound “inherently” sexist to me.
2 I’m pretty sure it just makes more comedic sense to put the unexpected interpretation on the right (or women’s side), so the “bad side” is different depending on the topic. I personally see this meme more often with the man being a surface level fan of something with the women being unexpectedly deep into the fandom. Like, among the earliest known edits (according to knowyourmeme) is the man just liking sports games with the women liking soulslikes.
They are literally just looking at each other. If anything she has a more annoyed look on her face. He’s thirsty af and shes rolling her eyes at him.
i think I’ve seen a lot of cases when it’s the other way round.
although if we do the statistics it’ll likely show a bias.
Not everything is sexist queen 💅
It’s fish in a barrel.
You don’t always hit, but the odds are stacked heavily in your favor
Ok. This meme is.
If it were the other way around, would it be sexist?
Is it required that any meme with a “good” and “bad” side have no demographic distinction between the sides?
It’s not that this one example is like this, it’s that it seems to always be one way around and not the other, with this meme format
Yes, it would still be sexist if it were the other way around. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a meme with this format which didn’t have a “good” and “bad” side.
I’m genuinely curious what you’d think if they were both thin white straight-coded average-height women but with different hair color.
Well, it would be difficult for a format like that to bring out the biases of meme creators.
One of the reasons this meme format is problematic is that this is a screenshot from “500 Days of Summer” which was a film that was wildly misunderstood by misogynists. The entire point of the film is to show the perspective of the male character, which villainizes the female character when she breaks his heart when she dumps him. But by the end of the movie the viewer is supposed to realize that she did nothing wrong and just wasn’t as in to him as he was into her.
Incels and misogynists everywhere misunderstood the hell out of the themes and message. So it’s not a great movie to take a meme format from.
Wut? How? This meme was originally gay lol
Incels.
No matter who someone is, don’t give them all of your personal property.
I use Protonmail from Proton. That’s it.
Same. And once i stop procrastinating i want to set up my own email server as well.
Have fun, it’s hell and the pain doesn’t stop until you give up.
Most accurate comment I ever read
It does, in fact, stop! Persevere!
I only use one subscription service in my life and it’s email from proton. I once knew a sysadmin who said that self-hosting email is a full-time job. So I just pay for my email with a reputable company and have my own domain name attached. His comment scared me off for good. But other people have said it’s not that hard. Please write me your experience , ok?
Don’t do it unless you are into technomasichism.
Oooh naughty naughty. If you’re into some light cutting I have tips.
How do you manage to keep your PGP keys locally with Protonmail?
I spent a couple hours setting up my accounts and keys and syncing them across devices so that I could access my secure email from any of them, importing them into K9 and thunderbird and publishing my public keys to a keyserver. Once I verified it was all working I realised that no one else I know uses PGP with email and it was a giant waste of time
IIRC Proton doesn’t offer any access to their mail server using standard protocols (POP3, IMAP)…
Sussy
Proton has become a problem for privacy
Something I missed?
The biggest threat is that the CEO is pro maga (cue defenders saying “well ackshully”) and thinks trump is better for his business (cue tankie both sidesers).
The other threat is that at some point proton gave an IP address or something obtained through a legal france->swiss court order allowing french ACABs to hunt and skin the most dangerous game: journalists
Edit, activist I guess https://www.itpro.com/security/privacy/360793/protonmail-criticised-sharing-activists-ip-address-law-enforcement
Okay, so about #1: Is there more to it than him setting of one single post praising Trump’s business skills? I mean, that’s pretty stupid, but stamping him as “Pro-MAGA” for that seems a bit far fetched still.
About #2: That’s also concerning and pretty bad as it reads, but any company basically has to abide the country’s laws, so if Interpol orders the Swiss police to fetch the data, no legally operating company can really do anything about it or they’re gone as well. A similar thing happened to Tutanota in Germany, iirc.
about #1: you see, your point is already defeated, because he called you a “defender saying actually”
ofc, you are right, and everyone saying that Proton ceo is pro maga from that one statement has reading comprehension problems
Personally, my biggest problem with the proton CEOs actions, is that he doubled down using official proton social media. This went well beyond a “personal opinion” and made this sound like a position the company held.
Defeated, no, but I definitely don’t give a shit about their opinion.
🤔 why is the privacy thing not the biggest threat? I would think that the privacy one would be more of a threat to privacy than the political stuff. Is that not the case?
I don’t know how you can, with a straight face, separate “political” and “privacy” stuff. They are intrinsically linked.
The amount of hoops needed to make the IP address thing, which is just IP address, happen…massive
Sure, I can imagine the political issues could lead to privacy issues. My question was not about whether or not that’s true[1]. I was simply wondering why a possible privacy issue would rank higher than the actual issue that has already happened.
Something more specific/objective might be helpful though. Saying he’s “pro maga” is like saying he’s “bad vibes”; it requires the reader to just take your word for it without knowing exactly why. But, again, my question was more about the ranking ↩︎
I just don’t think the IP address is a big deal. A category 5 probably outranks a definite tropical depression.
privacy
is a webapp
???
Both aren’t really private. Both is a for-profit company claiming it to be private.
Proton is a non-profit.
No. Proton is a for profit company whose largest shareholder is a non profit foundation. As is written right in your linked post. The foundation is not the company.
Oh. Didn’t know lol. I just saw Proton blabla non-profit blabla and jumped to a conclusion too fast like I always do 🥴
You read something. Big points for real.
Somebody get this user some lemmy silver.
For-profit company and private are not mutually exclusive though. Mullvad VPN for example is
as mucha for-profit companyasunlike proton which is nonprofit, and arguably also one of the most private VPN services available.Proton is not a for profit.
False. The Proton Foundation is a Swiss non-profit and does not have shareholders.
Proton was created to serve the world, and the non-profit Proton Foundation ensures that this can never change. As Proton’s primary shareholder, the foundation exercises its control to ensure that Proton does not deviate from our mission to build a better internet that serves the interests of all of society.
Edit: meaning, there’s a difference between the foundation and the company
I mean, I still pay for my proton VPN and feel guilty every time I use Google to search for something, but even so, if the government wants to see what you’re up to, they can just send you a text and gain access to your phone, including encrypted messages, without you even clicking on a link.
https://www.npr.org/2025/11/08/nx-s1-5585691/ice-facial-recognition-immigration-tracking-spyware
Spyware delivered by text In August, the Trump administration revived a previously paused contract with Paragon Solutions, an Israeli-founded company that makes spyware. A Paragon tool called Graphite was used in Europe earlier this year to target journalists and civil society members, according to The Citizen Lab, a research group based at the University of Toronto with expertise in spyware.
Little is known about how ICE is using Paragon Solutions technology and legal groups recently sued DHS for records about it and tools made by the company Cellebrite. ICE did not respond to NPR’s questions about its Paragon Solutions contract and whether it is for Graphite or another tool.
Graphite can start monitoring a phone — including encrypted messages — just by sending a message to the number. The user doesn’t have to click on a link or a message.
“It has essentially complete access to your phone,” said Jeramie Scott, senior counsel at the Electronic Privacy Information Center (EPIC), a legal and policy group focused on privacy. “It’s an extremely dangerous surveillance tech that really goes against our Fourth Amendment protections.”
Gonna be fun when a third party gets ahold of that one.
It is software created by a private company, so technically isn’t the government already the 3rd party? Honestly at this point, I am not sure I could trust anyone to have that kind of surveillance overreach any less than the Nazis running the federal government.
Not to say that I would trust a private company any more. Just to clarify everything is fucking garbage and society is on the brink of complete collapse, and once that happens I guess it really doesn’t matter who has access to my SSN, banking information, health conditions, or embarrassing browser history.
Likely Palantir and our self appointed Lord and savior Peter Thiel will arrange to have all of that information available on everyone with one convenient click of a button for anybody who can pay for it. Like those reports you can buy online about people’s public records, except it includes everything we used to consider protected information back in olden times. Before we started making all this progress.
Yeah, you aren’t wrong. I guess I was more thinking along the lines of EternalBlue and North Korea.
Design brief: Make them look like the google suite but purple. The harder it is to work out what the app does from the logo, the better.
Who doesn’t love out of focus triangle app?
Meh…the mail, calendar and drive icons are easily recognizable for what they do. The others are easily recognizable and distinguishable from each other, although their function definitely is less clear from the visuals of the icon. This is true for most apps by far though, not just google and proton. Most icons by far makes the company behind it identifiable, not the function it performs.
Gotta disagree. At a glance they are all just purple blobs. Sure you can tell if you look closely, but you shouldn’t have to.
I disagree, you don’t have to look closely at all to get the function of several, unless you consider 1-2 seconds looking closely of course…
unless you consider 1-2 seconds looking closely of course…
I do - It should be recognizable in a glance (milliseconds, not seconds). Maybe it sounds minor, but I work in design and let me tell you it makes a big difference.
The only one I can figure out is the folder. The rest are utter shite.
That seems more like you’re the issue if that’s all you can figure out…
Now that you’ve mentioned calendar I’m guessing it is the one with 31 on it? Honestly didn’t know what it was at first glance, thought it was maybe something to do with window management as it sorta looks like a browser window or something. Still don’t know how it is supposed to look like a calendar other than it having a 31 on it
