Hamas has called on Israel to allow an impartial international investigation into its attack on 7 October 2023 and has rejected that it killed civilians or committed atrocities.
“The resistance did not target any hospital, school, or house of worship; it did not kill a single journalist or any member of ambulance crews. We challenge [Israel] to prove otherwise,” it said.
In the new document, Hamas said that “Western media and Zionist lobby groups” had launched a disinformation campaign about the events of the attack.
“The Israeli entity promoted a series of lies and fallacies about killing children and raping women, paving the way to proceed with an all-out genocide project that was pre-planned and aimed to erase Gaza from existence,” it said.
It’s ironic that I find Hamas more believable than Israel. many people no longer trust the Israeli government
Which of the known genocidal liars do you believe? A) Israel B) Hamas C) none of the above
Hamas aren’t genocidal.
Armed Opposition to colonialism is enshrined in international law.
If they were not intentionally targeting civilians in their military operations, you would be correct. Same as Israel, they say they dont do it, but they do.
you can see in this thread that people love the jewish conspiracy fantasies and the glorious arab freedom fighters can do no wrong
it’s been that way for 100 years since the jews started moving back
This place is a hive of tankie and Iranian propaganda.
Good for Hamas. Not likely that Israel does so.
They did kidnap a bunch of people and kill a load more, so they can fuck off.
It’s funny because
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Israel has been funding Hamas (Bibi himself has spoken multiple times about it) for many years, giving them the equipment to do October 7th.
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Israel activated the hannibal directive according to their own (now former) defense minister on a live TV interview which means that on October 7th, many many many of the civilians and IDF soldiers that died were deliberately killed by the IDF themselves.
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It takes 45 minutes to fly from end to end by helicopter. Many Israeli official has refused to deny that there was a stand down order, but the army was not deployed at all until hours and hour and hours later, when they could have driven with tanks there and back again multiple times, with an army of 165,000 in a country the size of new jersey, outnumbering them 28:1 with 100x the equipment on home turf (by Israels massively inflated numbers too)
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Some of the Israeli hostages were not tortured in prison with Hama’s by their own tongues, but were then raped when she got back to Israel. Meanwhile Palestinian hostages are tortured daily for decades, eyes gouged out, as well as gang raped and raped by trained rottweilers by Israeli forces, and civilian Israeli doctors don’t report on it, but instead enable it.
As far as anyone should be concerned. Israel funded, executed their own attack of their own civilians, and enabled it by standing down as well as treated their own civilian hostages they took (and continue taking) 10x worse.
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Yes cleary Israel has never done that or attack civilians and destroy their homes. Nope never, not once.
That’s just whataboutism, though
Violence begets violence. If someone shot at me I’d shoot back, wouldn’t you?
It doesn’t work as well at a national scale. If you shoot my sister, that doesn’t mean I should shoot your sister.
So then Israel killing 30k civilians for revenge is what exactly aside from a war crime?
It also is. It’s possible for two groups at war with each other to both commit war crimes against each other.
You’re aware the official policy of Israel is they take a man we take a family correct?
Should or shouldn’t is not the question. When someone shoot your sister and the whole world know that the murderer killed your sister scientifically you would seek vengeance.
No that happened before Oct 7th and is in large part the cause of Oct 7th.
A justification cannot be won from a fault. If I steal your wallet then I cannot claim self defense when you take it back with force.
Palestinians are being ethnically cleansed and genocided for 77 years. Their occupiers are violent, racist monsters who control Western governments and brainwash people with their victimhood propaganda.
Frankly they can get fucked and go back to Europe where they’re from.
My conspiracy is that it was really Israeli who attacked on that day and blamed it on Hamas. Because Israeli sure has used that day to commit genocide.
You don’t need conspiracy theories when the facts are out there. Israel helped Hamas get funding in order to destabilise the government of the time. There is evidence that Israel knew there would be an attack and did nothing to prevent it. There was no need for a false flag attack by Israel because they had Hamas to do it for them. Hamas and Israel need each other to keep the perpetual war going. They are both appalling bastards who are happy to let their own innocent citizens die in order to keep their insane hatred fed.
Hamas and Israel need each other to keep the perpetual war going.
This.
Poor IDF soldiers on their IDF bases on Palestinian land.
Why do people find it so hard to realise thst both parties have done, are doing and will continue to do dispicable things?
The only reason why Israel’s body count is higher, is because it is more powerfull.
Hamas targets military bases. Israel targets schools.
Hamas also blindly shoots rockets at cities. Why is that so difficult to recognize? Its as obvious as Israeli using terror bombing.
Hamas shoots rockets at military targets only. Too bad Israel uses human shields and puts their military bases in cities.
Oh yes, those 9 month old soldiers. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kidnapping_and_killing_of_the_Bibas_family
Not kidnapped by Hamas but other groups in the chaos. And killed by Israel. Also why was there a baby on a military base?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nir_Oz
Nir Oz was founded on 1 October 1955 as one of the first Nahal settlements. It was established as a military outpost to guard the area between Nirim and Nir Yitzhak from Palestinian incursions.
Families often live near military bases so they can be together. You must know this. You see that’s the problem when you decide to defend the indefensible - you just end up looking stupid.
They shouldn’t live near military bases because they become in danger and it is any state responsibility to protects it’s people
Very few children were killed during Al Aqsa Flood so Hamas did a good job avoiding casualties then.
Oh its bad to resist colonial occupation sorry I forget my high horse back home.
Then kill their fucking soldiers, their politicians, their hypercapitalists, profiteering. Killing, torturing, maiming, raping and kidnapping civilians is not resistance. Fuck those fuckers.
How do you say SHUT THE FUCK UP and…please cite more sources for your bullshit at the same time? I’m conversational in about 5 languages and still haven’t figured out Zionist apology
Edited with a different link of IDF murder
The article you posted isn’t related to what he said. Can you explain what you disagree with? Just trying to understand the conversation, not siding one way or another.
It’s probably not a real commenter.
You’ll find a trend on any controversial topic of posters who just post the first link they find and I think the assumption is that people won’t read it. They’re relying on people who agree in general to just go along with the upvote train, it usually works out for them.
This is wild. But I can see how that works. Thx for the info. Inwas wondering, what they were about with that link.
“Resisting” by kidnapping and killing civilians. I mean it worked out great didn’t it? It certainly got the occupying forces out of their country, didn’t it? Great plan. Fucking geniuses.
Technically yes the kidnapping can be an act of resistance an immoral and illegal one but yes still an act of resistance because the hostages taking was taken in order for Israel to also release kidnapped Palestinians. The killing of civilians is not resistance but people filled with hate for 57 years of occupation is in a mental state where they will comit act of gruesome retaliation and is definitely condemnable.
There was also military targets during 7 of october
I’m kinda wondering what the goal is here.
It’s mostly been suppressed, but there’s a good amount of footage from the day, recording it seemed like a priority. Like, here on Lemmy if someone could somehow avoid things getting removed and post the footage we’d just have someone saying it’s AI or just generically sealioning and then whichever opinion felt more unpopular would be suppressed, but we’re talking about organizations who can actually verify sources.
My best guess is they’re hoping they find more bad stuff from Israel than Hamas, and that might be a solid play but I kinda doubt it. Most of the footage from the day of I’ve seen just make Israel feel kinda incompetent.
Israel wants to hide how many people were killed by the Hannibal directive, has made up a fake rape hoax and did much more lying to manufacture consent for the genocide.
Much of the Western audience still believes this obvious propaganda because Israel blocks all investigations into it and Western media uncritically repeats every Israeli lie.
Personal opinion, probably wouldn’t affect either of those points much, most of the leaked footage I’ve seen is conflict between Hamas and people who at least look like civilians. It makes sense, you’d assume the footage from skirmishes where the IDF was involved and successful would be in IDF custody and most things would be kept secret along with anything negative likely being destroyed. Unless someone in Hamas is sitting on it for a mysterious reason, seeing any evidence of the hannibal directive recorded feels incredibly unlikely. I have also seen some footage from the day that doesn’t outright show sexual assault, but would certainly imply that it could have been the next step and items like that combined with things like the UN report would be more than enough evidence for anyone in a position to do something about it. There may also be new stuff out there over the past year, I can’t be the one looking at that footage anymore.
There may be surprises though.
The resistance did not target any hospital, school, or house of worship; it did not kill a single journalist or any member of ambulance crews.
I don’t think that’s the issue most people had with it, so I don’t see how proving you’re right about it would help.
Gaza has been levelled and its people starved on the ostensible statement of ‘getting hamas’. If the excuse for all of this was ‘Hamas killed people’, well Israel kills people therefore Israeli cities would be justifiable targets for the same treatment gaza got.
It’s not enough for the enemy to kill people. The enemy must always commit unspeakable atrocities. Hence the allegations of beheaded babies and systemic acts of rape. While you may think that it’s not important to investigate these things it clearly is, otherwise Israel would not be making such claims with no evidence.
Saying that your enemy beheads children and rapes women is all part of a dehumanisation strategy to justify genocidal acts and is common amongst oppressors to the oppressed. E.g. African American being characterised as hypersexualised savages who would rape white women in the jim crow south.
“Good luck with that”
