It’s night from sunset until dawn. And if someone said “in the morning” I would never interpret that as meaning before dawn.
It is controversial, because one definition of “morning” is dawn to noon and another is midnight to noon. And saying “night” is “sunset to midnight” is also new because you just came up with that.
But 00:01 is clearly still night. Night is typically considered from dusk til dawn.
So if we say “the night of the 2nd” then that’s from dusk til 23:59:59 of the 2nd.
Which is then followed by night that isn’t the night of the 2nd nor night of the 3rd.
And I’d say “before dawn” or “early morning” of the 3rd would be problematically ambiguous.
You have a choice in life. You can accept certain things you cannot change. This one, you won’t change. Even if you spearheaded a popular movement I doubt you’ll get it changed. Everybody hates DLST and we still can’t get rid of it.
So I suggest you adapt your language. You don’t talk about the night of the fifth but the night from the fifth to the sixth. Three additional syllables in this case and the confusion evaporates quickly. You’re focusing on the perceived problem and not on the solution. If you do resolutions for the new year, maybe add that point to your list.
I hate it, because each calendar day has two half-nights.
Like… So if you say “the night of the 5th” is that before dawn or after dusk?
If you say night of the 5th, that will mean the time from sunset to midnight on the fifth.
After that it’s morning/pre-dawn of the 6th.
This isn’t new or controversial.
It’s night from sunset until dawn. And if someone said “in the morning” I would never interpret that as meaning before dawn.
It is controversial, because one definition of “morning” is dawn to noon and another is midnight to noon. And saying “night” is “sunset to midnight” is also new because you just came up with that.
Morning and predawn are typically the times immediately surrounding dawn, not the time immediately after midnight.
If you told me “were going out to take photos at predawn” I’d assume you meant blue hour photos, not moonlit photos.
The night of the 5th would be sometime after 4pm on the 5th.
What is confusing about this?
i’ve never seen someone who takes that as “before dawn”. night is after dusk, midnight’s before dawn
Right.
But 00:01 is clearly still night. Night is typically considered from dusk til dawn.
So if we say “the night of the 2nd” then that’s from dusk til 23:59:59 of the 2nd.
Which is then followed by night that isn’t the night of the 2nd nor night of the 3rd.
And I’d say “before dawn” or “early morning” of the 3rd would be problematically ambiguous.
You have a choice in life. You can accept certain things you cannot change. This one, you won’t change. Even if you spearheaded a popular movement I doubt you’ll get it changed. Everybody hates DLST and we still can’t get rid of it.
So I suggest you adapt your language. You don’t talk about the night of the fifth but the night from the fifth to the sixth. Three additional syllables in this case and the confusion evaporates quickly. You’re focusing on the perceived problem and not on the solution. If you do resolutions for the new year, maybe add that point to your list.
I mean, I’m having fun arguing pedantics, but this is a pretty silly post. There is no room here for real practical solutions!