Trump said that Venezuela’s new leader, Delcy Rodríguez, would help the United States run Venezuela. She quickly said the opposite.
Trump said Delcy Rodríguez was sworn in as Venezuela’s interim president and would act as a partner in letting the United States run the country.
“She’s essentially willing to do what we think is necessary to make Venezuela great again,” he said.
Less than two hours later, Ms. Rodríguez — who was Nicolás Maduro’s vice president — delivered a televised address to Venezuela that made clear she viewed the United States as an illegal invader that must be rejected.
I’m an American and believe the nations of the world should sanction us into economic ruin over this (and everything else from the last year).
Nah. Just a targeted police action to arrest the rogue elements who purport to be the lawfully elected government.
They’d be justified in sanctions, but I don’t think that it would actually accomplish anything. The people doing this shit don’t give a flying fuck about them because it would hurt you and me, not them.
I support bombing both DC and Mar a Lago. Or, just bomb one of the golf courses he’s at. He’s such an easy target for anyone that wants to kill him.
If only he took less stimulants so that he stood still enough for that nice young man from Pennsylvania
Such a nice young man. A little more training was all he needed.
That’s 50% of the electorate.
Not really, although they want you to believe that. In reality, over a third of registered voters abstained from voting in 2024.
More people didn’t vote than voted for either candidate.
That was a vote for Trump.
They voted for “whoever the other guys want.”
I got bad news for you about that dumb ass third that wouldn’t turn out for democrats anymore than republicans. You’d likely get the same numbers. They didn’t vote for a reason. They either didn’t like either that much or they ate dumb as shit on a brick. The former may vote dem slightly more but the latter would be influenced in the election line by the dumb shits passing out flyers, and they are more often republicans from what I’ve seen.
People that checked out will not vote the way you fucking think.
The only way to get to them is to make them fucking uncomfortable. That’s it.
A lot of them are self-proclaimed leftists who have no practical sense of realpolitik, and are so focused on their purity tests that they’ll never put forward a viable candidate.
A lot of them bought into the tiktok propaganda that Biden and Harris were responsible for Gaza, while ignoring how much worse it would get under trump. They simply (and rabidly) accused anyone who supported the Democrats of being complicit in genocide.
This time there’s not an incumbent democrat, so hopefully the same people will blame the current administration and vote accordingly. That is, if the entire hype wasn’t socially engineered by the US’s adversaries to get trump elected so he could weaken the country…
A robust Democratic primary will also help reduce boycott voters, although some will likely always complain that the nominee isn’t perfect enough for their liking. That can’t be helped.
But at least some of the fence-sitting centrists will come out in force against trump, since it’s so obvious how shitty everything is.
So I think there’s still hope. As long as states maintain control of their own elections and keep them free and fair…
50% of the electorate wouldn’t be hurt by sanctions, or 50% of the electorate would be arrested?
In either case, I’m referring to the president, his staff and cabinet. People actually directly making decisions who won’t see any consequences from sanctions.
Dictators around the world are getting too comfortable. They’re seeing too many examples of other dictators getting away with war crimes, illegal invasions, and other atrocities.
Putin emboldened Netanyahu, Netanyahu emboldened trump, and I don’t even want to think about who’s going to feel emboldened by trump.
Rules based order, multilateralism, and international law seem to be crumbling with no enforcement. Arguably the greatest achievements of the twentieth century, disappearing like vapor…
and I don’t even want to think about who’s going to feel emboldened by trump.
Xi Jinping. Taiwan is next, especially if this goes south and fixes the US naval assets in place for a prolonged period.
There is only one China. How can China invade itself lmao
There’s a bandit regime in Beijing that want’s to attack the Chinese people living on Formosa Island.
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It’s impossible for any western country to sanction the US, we are 100% dependent on US payment processing, trade in USD and US security guarantees (which even if questionable are better than nothing).
Not for very much longer.
Use China’s CIPS system for payment processing, trade in Euro or Yuan, buy gold instead of US treasuries.
If they don’t, Greenland will be next.
This is starting to smell like appeasement real fast.
So, the thing is… all the nations that care will be financially ruined trying that.
Which would strengthen their enemies…
And they know that.
Geopolitics has consequences. What some see as endless wars others see as opportunity to practice a long held human tradition. War.
It’s a skill you lose if you don’t practice.
Today we were told once again the west is dead. Long live America, and the west… is the western hemisphere. It belongs to the USA. America owns everything on this continent. They keep telling us that. Who is going to stop them when Russia tells Europe… guess who provides you the oil that runs your great nations. Sure would be a shame to leave you in the dark. China gets the rest. Unified, finally.
The new world order.
“The revolution will be bloodless if the left allows it to be”
Can’t believe this is the history we got.
Won’t happen. NATO/Europe still depends on the US .
In the short term, yes. In the long term, everyone is moving away from the US. The US has declined significantly in the last year, and that decline will continue because while everyone is still saying the US is an ally, we all know the US is really an adversary now. It’s not going to be a big event that will register for brain rotted Americans that have no attention span. It’s something that will change year over year.
It’s just not in our best interests to openly antagonize Trump at the moment. Trump is an old man and he won’t live forever, but the impact of the things he’s done and the inaction of the American people means the US will not be trusted by any country for generations.
Fine. What do YOU, as a citizen of a rogue state, do to stop all this?
I march, I vote, I speak out, I financially support the opposition and legal causes trying to stop this shit, and I ask for help. There’s not much else I can do short of violence, and even that’s not a viable option since the non-GOP party decided guns were bad and convinced their supporters to disarm themselves.
Stfu yankee
Fix your own fucking country.
Brother, a South African Billionaire poured all the money he could into the last election until it was broken. An Australian media mogul set the stage for this with 30 years of propaganda and Europe themselves built a system of reliance on America, all of which were necessary steps to getting here. This doesn’t happen without Fox news, without Elon Musk, or without Europe being so entangled in the US they can barely enact any sanctions without destroying their own countries.
And we let them do it
I don’t remember having a say in Citizens United, or the defense contracts of other countries. I can say I’ve voted for every politician on my ballot that promised to challenge CU and/or reduce military spending though. But those votes aren’t always democrats so half the time people tell me I waste my vote for it.
Yea, they keep lying to us about how ” The other “ is to blame if you don’t vote a certain way.
And i mean, at this point the damned outcome doesn’t feel much different in the end.
Poor powerless stupid Americans, but responsible for anything they country does.
Grow the fuck up.
All I’ve said is we’re not the only ones who need to change which is pretty unarguable. It’s so strange seeing people misinterpret that the second they feel called out. Why is it controversial for the top level commentor to ask for sanctions, aka ask for other people to aslo not support a war mongering country? Is that not what we all agreed was best to do to Russia? Or would sanctioning the US inconvenience you too much?
Global problems need global solutions, and the current American government is absolutely a global problem.
The whole world is sick of America trying to fix the world because we fuck up everything we touch. You really want us fixing this shit ourselves?
They don’t have the stomach for it. They can’t inconvenience themselves enough to stop it, either. All that American hate is projection.
Germany didn’t.
Sorry according to our Supreme Court money is more important than people in the usa… And the president is allowed to do anything which only gop ones seem to care about
On the one hand, Maduro’s leadership is illegitimate and horrible.
That said, the US isn’t invading because they want to bring peace and democracy to them. It’s because they want to get oil production for private businesses back into the country and because they didn’t “fall in line”.
Fucking US Imperialism revival going on…
Maduro’s leadership is a helluva lot more legitimate than the orange pedophile.
The bar of course, is so low we still haven’t heard it hit the bottom yet. :(
Agreed. But, going forward. Don’t even give the first “hand” point. It’s meaningless. All it does is give a “both sides” opening for the normies to think there is debate.
This isn’t 2010. The fascist don’t arguing in good faith. Just state that this shit is wrong, why it’s wrong, and move on.
We ARE the Nazis. There isn’t a “well, you would invade if Hilter was leader” argument to be had. This is the equivalent of Hilter invading Venezuela. There are no scenarios in which “one hand” needs to be said.
I really hope people start to understand this. Because, at this point, any “hand” given to America is like giving justification for Nazi Germany.
I’d argue it’s closer to Russia invading Cuba, but valid.
No. Forgetting truth is what got us here. Maduro was a sham-“elected” dictator, not some gardener making tomatoes.
Words mean things, and using them dishonestly weakens the word. We are not Nazis, Trump is not Hitler, as there are not literal roving death squads literally rounding up and gunning down minorities as state policy. The US is not invading Venezuela for liebenstraum with the intent of genociding the people who live there.
The words you’re looking for are “Mussolini” and “fascist Italy”. Can even mention invading Ethiopia! And maybe even relish in how Mussolini met his end :)
Venezuela’s elections were widely monitored, even independent groups from the US said they didn’t find irregularities. The people saying it was stolen are the same people asking Trump to take over, and they also support Israeli genocide and asked them to help as well. Do you have a direct source for your conviction that the elections were a sham?
Yes. If they intervened right after the elections, there could be an argument, but now it’s obvious that it’s only about business. Trump and his cronies don’t give a shit about democracy
i heard chevron was still operating under maduro, but the others ones were ousted decades ago.
It’s insane how fast MAGA went from no wars to “we are so happy that a dictator was removed and the people of Venezuela are happy!”
WTF!?!? It’s batshit crazy the lengths they go to to justify all his illegal actions.
right wing propaganda is a hellava drug. especially for venezuelans in USA. its not like venezuelas is suddenly going to elect a democratic president, it almost never is when USA/UK backs a coup.
its not like venezuelas is suddenly going to elect a democratic president
There will be a sham election and a USA stooge will (try to) rule the place for a while. Then he’ll be couped by the masses. Another stooge ascends to power, with USA’s blessing. And so on…
All of this has happened many times before in South America.
Wait? They’re saying venezuelans are happy about it? Is that false?
Afaik Maduro was a harsh dictator so it’s not totally unplausible in my head that they would be happy this happened.
Asking, not implying anything. Idk what to trust about this.
Removing the Dictator doesn’t get rid of the Dictatorship without actual occupation and regime change, like the US did in Iraq.
Trump thinks he can remove the head of state then that makes him the head of state. Like some sort of video game or something - you capture the capital city once and suddenly you own all the territory. That’s just not how this works, and there are clear recent examples to show it.
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maduros govt is still in power, hence the VP is taking control, if she isnt going to bootlick TRUMP, is unlikely it will change. I think trump was vying for the other opposition that will roll over for him.
the ones that fled the countries are happy. the ones in the country is pretty scared right now.
they were never, anti war.
then saying so was such an obvious lie, they were always vocally pro war.
Significantly, Ms. Rodríguez delivered her address alongside what she called Venezuela’s National Defense Council, which included the nation’s defense minister, attorney general and the heads of the country’s legislature and judiciary. That unified front directly contradicted Mr. Trump’s claim that the United States would run Venezuela
Good. Trump otoh, in good old mafia manner:
Venezuelan leaders must comply with the United States or else. “All political and military figures must realize that what happened to Maduro can happen to them,” he said.
“All political and military figures must realize that what happened to Maduro can happen to them,” he said.
Problem is now they are prepared and probably get support from other countries.
I think what we are seeing is Trump telling the truth. Rodriguez is likely a puppet of the US. She is trying to save face to be able to actually prevent popular uprising.
This works for both of them. Trump gets to tell the truth about US influence and control of Venezuela. It’s makes him look strong and this is the only message most Americans will hear. And Rodriguez gets to look to be against the occupation; while working closely with the US in reality. And this narrative is what will be pushed heavily in Venezuela.
Maduro heavily armed his supporters. This wasn’t meant to actually stop the invasion of Venezuela. It was meant to create insurgent groups of resistance that would put America in another Iraq situation. But the US wasnt deterred by this.
This seems to be an attempt to bring Maduro supporters in line and give the US time to insert their puppets at all meaningful levels of power in Venezuela. (The resistance to occupation part).
At least that’s my take on this. The US is in the wrong here. Clearly. But, I’m not going to jump to believe a leader that is only sitting in that position because the US allows them to be. They kidnapped the leader of a foreign nation. You think Rodriguez would be allowed a microphone for anything but the purpose of US imperialism? No.
Do I think this will work? Will it actually stop resistance groups in Venezuela? No, I don’t think it will. But only time will tell.
TLDR: Rodriguez is just trying to not look like a complete puppet and trying to save face.
Trump is always playing 4D chess we just can’t understand!
Or maybe, just maybe, a guy convicted of 34 counts of fraud only knows how to scam people and doesn’t actually know how anything works in the world.
I don’t know. Could also be that Rodríguez made a deal with Trump only to betray him now with the protection of Russia.
“t RUMP gets to tell the truth”
I don’t think that is possible.He’s blatantly admitting he wants oil, so he’s accidentally telling the truth
The US don’t need the oil. Cuba needs the oil and will be next. The US needs oil to be traded in Dollar and they need the Americas to be free of Chinese influence when they are going to contain China. So Nicaragua will also be liberated.
I would say it’s crazy but the oil is a lie.
I kind of assume at this point that when people say “they want the oil” they mean “they want control of the oil”. But maybe I’m just too charitable.
Either way. The oil isn’t really a lie. It’s just a simplification of why controlling it is important to US capitalst interests.
Oil is all about control and power. Many Americans vote based on gas prices and then do whatever mental gymnastics needed to pretend wars that “coincidentally” happen in countries with oils weren’t at all influenced by their voting habits.
MBS could wake up tomorrow and make some moves to raise the price of gas. So every world leader has to suck up to him no matter how many people that psychopath chops up with a bone saw. Because of extreme dependency on oil the entire economy can change based on the whims of a psychopath.
Our insane dependency on oil means our economy is under the control of psychopaths. In order for the GOP to have any chance of maintaining power, they need the gas prices to drop before November. Suck up to MBS, suck up to the oil companies, and get that Venezuelan oil to US refineries and get those gas prices down. The GOP will likely take a hit in the mid terms either way, but if they get the price of gas down, it will soften the blow.
Something about automobiles have turned a lot of people into little psychopaths that don’t care if people die (though they pretend to be against it LOL) so long as a tank of of gas is a little cheaper. GOP is bad for doing wars, but they’ll still vote GOP for cheaper gas while loudly proclaiming they’re against wars so they don’t feel complicit.
Yeah, why did we start thinking trump isn’t lying just because his lies now align with our preconceptions?
While it’s not quite a lie (I’m sure it factors in), this occurred days after Maduro announced a very positive meeting with a Chinese trade envoy. It’s very transparently a power consolidation thing, and the oil is just a convenient bonus.
Wait, are you saying that the US still has boots on the ground in Venezuela? Do they still have physical influence in the country? That’s the only way they could ‘allow’ or ‘disallow’ an official to address their people, right?
I guess I was under the impression that they just kidnapped the leader and left. I thought, from what I saw from the Venezuelan officials, that the US dose not currently have a continued presence in the country.
The status of this was pretty unclear at the time I wrote the comment. I highly doubt we’re getting accurate info from there right now. But, I doubt Rodriguez is doing things out of fear; likely more out of self interest along with self preservation.
maduro sure dint do any favors by selecting her as his vp, she already voiced her support like weeks ago, maduro couldve dealt with her before then, but she probably got the wind of it and was in russia just in case maduro wants her captured.
Will it become like Mexico? Full of cartels that the government can’t control
Edit: I don’t know why the downvotes for a genuine question but ok
Doubtful. Mexico is in a very different situation than Venezuela. To Americans though it’s hard to think much beyond “brown people that live south of us”.
Why did they use a Eurocopter AS350 for this poster?
That’s what you got from this?
Some folks are all about the little details and we’re better off for it. :p
this
Were they really expecting Venezuela to welcome the US as their new puppeteer just because they kidnapped their leader?
I mean, do you remember W Bush’s post war Iraq plans? The party hasn’t gotten any less myopic since then.
Have you seen modern US military engagements? Those motherfuckers dont learn from their mistakes.
Well actually, they do. Theyve learned starting conflicts makes weapons manufacturers and military contractors big dollars. Especially when the economy is cooling off.
also economic downturns supplies the military with needed cannon fodder which furthers the Contractors needs which otherwise would never join. when the 08 recession hit, so much people wanted to join that the services were denying people left and right much more than they wouldve.
I’ve seen comments saying “my friend is venezuelan and they are celebrating this in the streets”.
Seems that Venezuelans in Venezuela are protesting, and Venezuelans abroad are celebrating: https://apnews.com/photo-gallery/venezuela-us-explosions-caracas-25a01a23e7b936b430901428ab0d0907
they probably want the other political opponent that was welcoming us in open arms.
I am pretty sure they made a deal with Rodríguez beforehand.
Even if she was willing to collab with the yankees, she no longer can appear that way after the terrorists ran their mouths about that.
I don’t think she knows about Second Abduction, Pip.
Right, I’m just hearing people clamoring for a free trip to the US.
So venezuela is a colony of USA ? Is this even allowed ?? Can western countries keep colonies now ?
What do you mean allowed? There isn’t actually a world police force that’s going to arrest Trump or anything like that.
International Law is just a bunch of treaties that countries have agreed to follow. Countries don’t agree to treaties that prevent them from doing what they want to do. The reason why this kind of thing doesn’t happen more often is because political stability is preferable for capitalist systems. Trump only cares about the money he makes personally, so he takes bribes and now he’s prioritizing the interests of only the companies that pay him bribes over the economy in general. Global stability is good for the economy, but Trump only cares about personal profit.
Countries don’t agree to treaties that prevent them from doing what they want to do
Sure they do. The US made a bunch of treaties with Native Americans, then when they wanted to do the prohibited things they just did them anyone and ignored the treaties that they agreed to
Look up Russia’s defence pack with Ukraine.
OK
The US did not agree to and is not subjected to the ICC as far as I know
They’ve sanctioned a number of the ICC judges and made their lives difficult just to be dicks.
Sure and the ICJ calls for the arrest of leaders of sovereign countries. The only difference between the ICJ the US is the US has to capability actually arrest world leaders while the ICJ doesn’t. And the fact that a lot of people dislike Putin and Netanyahu, but apparently don’t have a problem with Maduro? Which is kinda weird, but at any rate if what’s considered permissible is based on who you like and who you don’t like, it’s not actually law.
So the ICJ made it permissible to arrest leaders of sovereign countries and now we’re seeing the consequences of the precedent they created.
Personally I think it’s a bad thing to arrest leaders of sovereign countries no matter who they are. It makes diplomacy more difficult and negotiations to end conflicts should be prioritized over ineffectual theatrics. It also allows military action to be whitewashed as laying down justice. If the ICJ can arrest world leaders, why can’t we?
The ICJ should probably be reformed, they’ve lost too much legitimacy and have actually given legitimacy to the actions of authoritarians.
France never let theirs go. That said WTF!?
I hope she has her travel bag ready: the Blackhawks are coming for her.
At least she knows they’re coming!
You need an LHD to do that, and the Iwo is already on its way back.
she was in RUSSIA, so she maybe asking them for more assistance/protection.
She has bigger balls than me, brave but I don’t think this will help her or Venezuela.
Regardless, it’s nice to see people stand up against Goliath
The US is only an imaginary powerhouse. The only real useful tool at our disposal are our nuclear weapons. The US hasnt won a war since WW2, and even then we were given such an upper hand in that fight by joining late and the Soviets changing sides, theres no shot we would have even won that war without Russia.
For an imaginary powerhouse, they sure pulled off the special forces operation of my lifetime, no casualties and kidnapping a President and his wife so he doesn’t get lonely.
That’s a lot of resources to pull that off, satellites, AWACs, God knows what else. It’s a flex.
Wasnt a port bombed? Are you sure there are no civilian casualties? It also seems like the operation was successful but the end goal of installing a puppet government is going the wrong direction
No, I’m not even positive that was Maduro in photo. I’m just taking their claims for what they are worth.
Power isnt about inflicting death and destruction its about getting others to willingly do what you want. Americans used to understand this, once.
Okay allow me to rephrase to MILITARY POWER or MURDER POWER or whatever you wish with regards to death and destruction.
USA is pretty good, don’t you think?
The US is a mere paper tiger in front of-wait, no, no, NOOOOOOO!
Someone tell me what the image is, I am afraid
A gigantic paper tiger next to the earth. The earth is smaller
A planet sized paper tiger looking at earth in space.
Yeah, we’re so imaginary we’ve kept Taiwan free and the CCP contained all this time, among dozens of other things. Opposing forces have said going against our special forces is like fighting against aliens because we’re so advanced, methodical and well trained.
What does “contained” mean? China is probably the most influential global power right now due to economic pressure that the US ceded to them. They dont exactly need Taiwan for anything, why would they go to war over that country and risk thermonuclear destruction of the earth?
And Im unaware of any forces talking about our special forces, i dont go looking for that information.
Contained? Corporate America literally empowered China into the powerhouse it is today while naively believing they would remain submissive, compliant, and dependent on our technical expertise.
You can’t really believe that.
Which part
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I was with you in the first sentence but you’re argument collapsed into fantasy, the worst part of which was the eurocentric view of the war. Many historians consider the start of WW2 to be the Japanese invasion of China in 1938.
Nothing Trump ever does ever lasts more than a few hours.
“We conquered Venezuela”
Two hours later: “No, you didn’t”
There is a possibility that Maduro would be ‘returned’, with an ‘understanding’ to line Trump’s pockets. Delcy might be hedging here - she can either fall in line behind Maduro when the time comes, or push back and be recognized by Venezuelans as truly legitimate.
that is exactly what’s going on here.
He basically threatened to kill her today, so. Neat
he also threatened greenland, mexico, other s american countries, just to add more content to the news to distract from PDF island.
when will the world get their shit together and impose sanctions/embargoes on this terrorist failed state?
