As a guy, I never really felt comfortable saying those things to anyone irl.

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    I never had a problem expressing my feelings because I am secure in myself. Men who fear showing their emotions tend to be young and insecure. Young men get fed so much bullshit about how they should live their lives and carry themselves from all angles.

    You have the “progressive” and feminist types try to shame you for being a man and they try to pretend that it’s some sort of defect to overcome. The “macho” and misogynist types try to convince you that your gender is a point of pride and that you should double down on the stereotypes they approve of. You have the “traditional” types that try to instill the idea that being a man is a like a job with specific roles that you have to fulfill to qualify. There’s many more types, but the point is that you’re getting constantly bombarded by all these nonsensical, contradictory, and misinformed ideas about how you must live your life. It’s not wonder young men are having an identity crises.

    In reality, all these people are full of shit. Masculinity is not a role and it’s not a stereotype, it’s a state of being. You’re masculine because you are a man. Everything that you do is masculine because that’s what masculinity is, it’s the behavior of men. You being yourself is masculine. There’s no need to live to some misguided ideal or rigid standard set upon you by others. You’re masculine whether others approve of it or not.

    As it happens to be, men are humans, and humans have emotions. It is perfectly natural and healthy for men to express their emotions as they fit. If you’re sad cry, if you’re upset be mad, if you’re filled with joy then be happy, if you’re anxious then be afraid. There’s no shame in expressing yourself or being vulnerable. These are things that make people interesting and deep. If someone takes issue with that then they’re the ones with the problem, not you. If someone can’t handle you for you then they’re not even worth your time. At least that’s how I see things.

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    MtF genderfluid here

    The more feminine I have become, the more acceptable it is for me to show emotional vulnerability. The more people genuinely listen to me and not treat me like a disgusting animal they are hesitantly entertaining until they can get away.

    When I lived as a cis man not even my friends wanted to hear it, and they are good people.

    When a man cries in front of his partner for the first time, usually a switch will flip, and that partner will never look at you the same way again. Being vulnerable with even your closest relationships often feels like a mistake.

    Men don’t talk about their feelings because almost nobody in society has empathy for others, especially if you are more masculine, especially if you “look scary”.

    The experience being a man is isolating and dehumanizing by default.

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    Male here. By now I can and do express my feelings. It took a while. It is an odd power move at times, when you at will articulate and/or show your emotions. Some people can’t deal with it.

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      Thank you, btw, for being there for the ones who feel alone in this world. I hope you know you’re appreciated. Full disclosure: I’ve been one of those men.

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    The older I get, the more I realize that opening up makes things worse.

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      Same. Especially significant others (length of relationship doesn’t matter) it actively makes things worse. So I keep them to myself.

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        I am so very sorry you have to live like this.

        In general, reading a lot of these comments in this thread is just heartbreaking.

        I really think this is a cultural thing in part. I live in a progressive social democracy in Europe, and I really don’t think many see it like most people here do. I asked a couple of the more traditionally masculine/male friends and they tell me the share everything too, that they need it in a relationship especially, since they do hold stuff in from others apparently. But the very closest ones, friends and spouses that is, they need to lighten the load. And I recognize that too. Shit’s too heavy to carry alone.

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    Gay cis male

    When around my boomer parents: Fuck no

    When around my friends: Hell yeah! Some of the straight guys use me as a sounding board for their emotions, since they know I’m not going to judge them.

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    I struggle on two fronts with this - I don’t want to “burden” others with how I feel, and fairly often I don’t know what I feel.

    Grew up in the American Midwest as a preacher’s kid. My parents are awesome people, but Dad’s job meant our family had to seem close to perfect for small town political reasons - we had their support for any kind of crisis, but we had to keep it inside the house so our single limited income wasn’t threatened.

    Between that and a family full of neurospiciness, it felt like we were always on the edge of catastrophe. I was generally able to get by day to day, so I just kept quiet so we all had room to deal with whatever else needs handled.

    So, I think I got in the habit of bottling things until I couldn’t even tell what I was feeling, and also developed an aversion to sharing what I could tell was bothering me. I’m open to the idea of sharing things, I just can’t often tell what needs shared until it pops out unexpectedly.

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    As a guy who’s half European and half Arabian, no I don’t feel comfortable expressing emotions or feelings. Each time I have done that, I get shit for it back.

    “Man up”, “that’s just life” and “I know you’ll push through it”. Is what I hear. They rather have me be aggressive than to be emotional more often than not. While I’m trying to get rid of my anger issues.

    So instead of expressing emotions, I just put it all in a diary. Never thought I’d be using one but it truly helps.

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        Relatable; as a guy who grew up in a US Midwest WASP household, I always got told to man up, be strong, fight back, and if someone hurts your feelings it’s 100% your fault for letting them.

        I was on this planet almost 4 decades before I finally got therapy and learned how important it is for humans to talk about their feelings.

        It’s still unnatural and hard but at least I know how to do it now and it doesn’t eat me up inside and make for random angry outbursts.

        Seriously, by default males should get emotional counseling in school as a preventative measure.

        • I always got told to man up, be strong, fight back

          I was tired of getting bullied so I took it literally.

          I fought in self-defence and ended up in the local police station for a few hours

          ACAB btw

          Not sure if my mom got prouder at me for standing up for myself or got mad for “causing trouble”. She did get very defensive on behalf of me when the verbal confrontation with the school staff happened during the parent-teacher discussion thing, and in the juvenile court system.

          I think I might have mommy issues…

          Seriously, by default males should get emotional counseling in school as a preventative measure.

          I probably needed that. Stupid racist bully wasted me so much time.

          But then again maybe this result is actually a good thing, cuz the next time they see an Asian they want to harass, they’d think twice before trying anything.

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            My father taught martial arts

            I was in middle school when I got bullied for being a shy introverted bookish geeky nerd. Bully ended up getting thrown in a damn good (if I may say so) Ippon seoi nage. Looked impressive AF to onlookers & freaked him out.

            I wasn’t actually any good I got super lucky but after that people decided I “know karate shit” and kept away

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    I think its a maturity thing for guys. My gym buddies and I were talking about mental health a while back and I said “I was on meds for a while because I had an irrational sense that life wasnt worth living. A year later on the meds I was fat, unmotivated and had erectile dysfunction and I was like ‘Great, now I have legitimate reasons to think about killing myself’ so I came off the pills.”

    The 20 somethings all looked super fucking uncomfortable, the thirty somethings nodded and made sympathetic faces and the other 40+ guy said “How are you doing with it these days?” Of course I immediately deflected and said “Oh its hard as a rock” which got the laugh and broke the tension. But the only guy who didnt duck the conversation was the guy of a similar age who had a rough divorce years before I knew him…

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      I’m from EU. I’ve noticed that the maturing and openness is related to not being under the influence of USA culture (social media, tv, movies, etc). As in - the open, expressive, thinking guys in my bubble happen to be not watching TV, social medias, youtube and such.

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    When people tell men “you can tell me anything” what they mean is “I don’t want to feel like you’re keeping things from me.”

    It 100% does NOT mean “you will face no negative consequences for telling me.”

    Men keep some things to themselves because sharing feelings has resulted in getting burned too many times.

    These things aren’t necessarily bad. They might just shatter exciting illusions the other person prefered over the ordinary truth.

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    Female here. I like to keep my feelings private. If something is wrong, you won’t know until after the nervous breakdown.

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    Men and women lie when they say they want you to express yourself more. Whether they intend to or not, they get angry or sad about you burdening them with knowledge of your own experiences. Many will atore away anything you confide with them, so they can use it against you further down the line.

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      Sometimes people act like they’re helping but it means they just bring up your problem again and again and confuse you as to what you really want to do about it. This could absolutely be done on accident, in an eagerness to help, but i also see it done deliberatrly by a few, just to pester people