• Tyrq@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
          24·
          14 hours ago

          I can call a party “the cumfarts and beer union” and have nothing to do with either, proofs in the pudding, so to speak.

          • AbsolutelyNotAVelociraptor@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
            51·
            9 hours ago

            Nazis called themselves national socialists.

            The magas are now openly nazist.

            If you call the magas national socialists (and not simply socialists) you are calling them nazis.

            The joke is way less funny when you have to explain it.

        • ChunkMcHorkle@lemmy.worldEnglish
          34·
          16 hours ago

          So you don’t actually know what socialism is. If you did, you’d be the last one saying the Nazis were using the name correctly.

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism

          Smh. And I quote:

          Socialism is an economic and political philosophy encompassing diverse economic and social systems characterised by social ownership of the means of production, as opposed to private ownership. It describes the economic, political, and social theories and movements associated with the implementation of such systems. Social ownership can take various forms, including public, community, collective, cooperative, or employee. As one of the main ideologies on the political spectrum, socialism is the standard left-wing ideology in most countries. Types of socialism vary based on the role of markets and planning in resource allocation, and the structure of management in organizations.

          To misuse names as labels contradictory to substance is a hallmark of propaganda. I don’t fall for it. Just because Nazis want people to think they’re just crunchy on the outside while remaining warm and caring on the inside and pick a name they think will do that for outsiders doesn’t actually mean shit.

          Nuance is important. Learn to look past the name.

          • NotANumber@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
            2·
            2 hours ago

            How the fuck do you not see that you are the problem here? This was a very obvious joke about how Nazis named themselves National Socialists. How have you turned this into an argument? What the actual fuck is wrong with people on this website.

          • AbsolutelyNotAVelociraptor@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
            42·
            8 hours ago

            Nuance is important. Learn to look past the name.

            Says the one who was unable to get a joke comment in which I’m calling them “national socialist” and not just socialists to call them nazis (since the nazis called themselves national socialists and not simply socialists).

            You talk about nuance and can’t see that I’m specifically calling them national socialists and not just socialsts.

            Ffs, have you escaped from .ml? You look ridiculous in your defense of socialism when all I did was a joke about nazism.

            Edit: You shouldn’t talk about nuance when you didn’t get the “nuance” on the first place. Notice the capitalized letters in the first comment and not just the name. Nuance is important, so by calling it National Socialism (mind the caps) and not national socialism (mind the caps again) I’m using not the general definition of the socialism but the name nazis gave to their movement (which was, as every name, capitalized). You didn’t get the joke. And that’s fine. But it’s not on me.

            • Log in | Sign up@lemmy.worldEnglish
              33·
              8 hours ago

              You sounded like a rightwinger who unironically confuses nazis with actual socialists, and it didn’t help that you started off defending what you said for two more comments rather than admitting you were joking and accepting that of course they’re different.

              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe's_law

              • AbsolutelyNotAVelociraptor@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
                4·
                8 hours ago

                You sounded like a rightwinger who unironically confuses nazis with actual socialists,

                My original comment:

                Congrats, Amerikkka! You finally managed to achieve socialism! The National kind of Socialism!

                Notice the three K in america referencing the KKK? And how I specifically capitalized National and Socialism so it’s not just “socialism” but the name the nazis decided to give to their movement by capitalizing both words?

                Really? A right winger when I’m both calling Amerikkka nazis and reminding them of the KKK? Mate, you didn’t get the joke and are blaming me for it.

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                  22·
                  7 hours ago

                  I don’t think you read what Poe’s law says.

                  You sounded like a right winger in the sense that you said the same things right wingers said, not in the sense that I believe you are one.

                  And you talk to me about nuance?

                  No, I don’t believe I did.

                  you didn’t get the joke and are blaming me for it.

                  I think that in these terrible times, if your edgy humour that uses the same logic as right wing talking points from 2024 doesn’t land, ranting at people for two comments that they don’t understand that nazi means socialist without making it clear that you know that that was intentionally misleading, instead of making it clearer that it was a joke doesn’t make you come across as a fun person, and is why people started explaining the difference to you.

                  For at least five hours after your first post (which I see you have now edited), you just disagreed angrily with people pointing out that nazis and socialists are different. Why would anyone believe this was an attempt at humour?

                  If you actually want to make people laugh, you need to lighten up a bit and be less defensive if it doesn’t land. It’s not my fault that your humour wasn’t funny enough for people to get it, so maybe blame the audience less and make it clearer that you’re attempting to satirise stupid magas rather than being one.

                  There is no “of course that’s wrong and stupid, no one in their right mind would believe such a thing, so it’s obviously a joke” with maga folk. Hence Poe’s law.

                  • AbsolutelyNotAVelociraptor@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
                    4·
                    7 hours ago

                    I don’t think you read what Poe’s law says.

                    You sounded like a right winger in the sense that you said the same things right wingers said, not in the sense that I believe you are one.

                    I know what Poe’s law is. I never heard a right-winger call themselves National Socialists. And if you’ve read any of my previous comments anywhere on lemmy, you’d see I’m far from a right winger.

                    No, I don’t believe I did.

                    You are right, i confused you with the previous poster, I edited that part removing it.

                    I think that in these terrible times, if your edgy humour that uses the same logic as right wing talking points from 2024 doesn’t land, ranting at people for two comments that they don’t understand that nazi means socialist without making it clear that you know that that was intentionally misleading, instead of making it clearer that it was a joke doesn’t make you come across as a fun person, and is why people started explaining the difference to you.

                    Ranting at people who don’t know history and how the nazis called themselves National Socialists (I specificall, used those words and not just socialists)? Dude, if people are dumb is not my fault. Telling me to read a fucking dictionary when they haven’t opened a history book? Really?

                    I’m sorry if you never opened a history book? Is that what I should say?

                    For at least five hours after your first post (which I see you have now edited), you just disagreed angrily with people pointing out that nazis and socialists are different. Why would anyone believe this was an attempt at humour?

                    I’m really flabbergastered that you are blaming me for people not having opened a history book (else they would know about National Socialism and not just socialism) in their lives. But I guess that’s what I get for assuming people have read. I’m not gonna apologize for defending what was a nuanced joke that ignorants didn’t get. That’s not my fault.

                    If you actually want to make people laugh, you need to lighten up a bit and be less defensive if it doesn’t land. It’s not my fault that your humour wasn’t funny enough for people to get it, so maybe blame the audience less and make it clearer that you’re attempting to satirise stupid magas rather than being one.

                    My first reply is “look for national socialism”. Not for socialism, but national socialism. First result on search engines for “national socialism” is fucking nazism. If someone is still thinking I’m attacking socialism, they are… dense. To say the least. And it’s not on me.

                    That, or they are trying to not look dumb but putting it on me, which I don’t accept either.