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It’s not and it’s a matter of time before either the second civil war or third world war happens.
Pleas guys, learn from the Brigate Rosse. Put him in a f*cking trunk (use a chrysler pt cruiser for the occasion please) and goodnight.
Sigh. I miss when Rage Against The Machine wasn’t political.
What are you going to tell me next, that Tom Morello has a degree in political science? He should just stick to playing the guitar.
I understood that reference. Still cracks me up. What machine did he think they were raging against?
We need socialism
Y’all remember when Trump supporters danced to Rage Against the Machine? https://youtu.be/ddrFt1BHkUQ
Of course they did, they’re all dumb
Most Americans are seriously dumb. The illiteracy level is insane for a western developed country, especially the riches country in the world. It could ensure all its citizens are well educated but we’ll educated citizens won’t vote for fascists, they won’t listen to the transparent bullshit lies of fox news and co, they won’t vote Republican because fuuuuck that shit.
Republicans have worked pretty much since WWII, especially starting with Reagan, to ensure the US citizens are as dumb as possible, it keeps them in power.
So Magas dancing to killing in the name of is pretty normal for them, as they have no idea what they’re doing, no idea what the song is about, no idea what RATM is about.
I’d feel sad for them if they weren’t so dangerous to themselves, to everyone in the US, and everyone in the world. I honestly have no idea how to solve this part, after trump and Maga is gone. How do you deprogram millions of brainwashed idiots that barely finished highschool?
How do you deprogram millions of brainwashed idiots that barely finished highschool?
You educate their kids and wait for them to die, unfortunately. I mean in essence, the PC movement as a whole has worked for the most part, it’s a slow gradual grind over many years, decades for some, tirelessly continuing to etch away at their bigotry.
But in short, to truly get rid of it, you wait for them to die.
Easier than you think. Just thrive. Be an example.
Oh. There’s a difficult bit as well… You have to get rid of any sociopaths that start talking to them or it’ll all happen again.
The Trump administration is quoting Nazis, why am I not surprised?
Do none of you know what this is referring to? Okay, class time. Gather round, because I’m going to give you all a quick history lesson.
Oh, and you should check this out on the side. It will help with the learning.
I don’t know about whether there’s a connection between that slogan and the nazis, but the incident the slogan is allegedly coined from is definitely real.
The SS officer who was killed is Reinhard Heydrich, a SS officer who was high enough to be part of Hitler’s inner circle. Heydrich is understood to be one of the principal architects of the Holocaust.
The village who had its male population (except for the children) wiped out as revenge for Heydrich’s death is Lidice, in the modern Czech Republic.
By the way, you all should watch the movie Anthropoid. It goes over a dramatized version of the events.
And those who did survive got sent to concentration camps. Absolutely despicable behavior
Well that was fucking haunting. Ghouls
Being a leftist is fun because the fascists have threatened to purge entire communities in response to violence against ICE and we’re arguing about the historicity of the quote and whether displaying a phrase on a podium is technically a quote or not.
What violence against ICE?
The Trump administration has classified things like recording ICE on your phone as violence, and is using that to claim that violence against ICE is is up 400 bajillion percent.
That’s a false dichotomy: it’s possible to argue about menial things AND conduct meaningful actions at the same time.
Also, the majority of Lemmy users are outside the US and have very little control over anything that has to do with US politics outside of urging Americans to get their shit together.
I don’t understand why people would even be debating that.
if you write something out and display it, it is no different than saying it out loud. that’s not debatable, that’s just the way it is.
My conspiracy theory is that on most big social media, these kinds of debates are mostly conducted by bots to manufacture consent, and that we get people here who just repeat the takes from the bots they’ve seen that have the most likes because they’re hoping they get that many likes too.
If it helps, in another post about if Renee Good’s driving was a part of why she was executed, Lemmy commenters were complaining about if using Google to search online was acceptable.
It’s kinda depressing honestly.
Attacking how communication is done instead of what’s being communicated is a form of subversion the CIA uses to mess with foreign actors. The left and its tolerance towards others (e. g. misgendering by accident) is very susceptible to such attacks and they’ve let themselves be decimated on the public stage because of it.
It’s fucked up. No one is disagreeing with that. However, making shit up makes your argument weaker. The enemy will only have to point out that you’re making it up to get people to ignore you then. This post is specifically about the made up thing. If it was about the podium then there wouldn’t be an issue.
holy fuck. Not even said, they made a fucking podium
To what was this a response? That people want to bring the Minnesota murderer to court?
That is the confusing thing, no one killed one of theirs. The most pain I’ve seen any of them in is when they’re unprepared for the MN winter.
I just saw a podcast/yt vid today that had a segment on stats for how dangerous it’s been for ICE since it was established. No ICE members have ever been killed or injured by immigrants.
Leading cause of death is covid-19 (perhaps unsurprising, considering all the antivax idiots who must overlap heavily), followed by cancer from 9/11. One guy died from accidentally shooting himself in the leg. The only case that even involved an immigrant is when an ICE guy died after chasing someone and had a heart attack.
https://youtu.be/NlM_H9rbwrI?t=2196
(timestamp aroud 36:30 if the link doesn’t work)They assume to be the victim at every turn, it’s how they justify breaking the law and brutalizing/killing us.
Must be in response to everyone laughing at the ICE agent slipping on some, ice.
They’re laying the groundwork for when one of their untrained cowboys is killed by a civilian protecting themselves to justify their overblown response. Or to instill fear so it doesn’t happen.
Yep. Force neighborhoods to suppress themselves.
Then we need to find and eliminate him instead
Yep.
Be careful of false news that suits your narrative, it weakens our position.
That phrase has no known Nazi origin that I could find. As loath as I am to link to Reddit, there is a good write up here:
I’m inclined to give AskHistorians a pass. There is no community on Reddit that tries as hard as they do to moderate their way around the limitations of the platform and its management.
The verified posters tend to be millennial academics with masters or PhD’s in history or closely related fields, and they take the name of the community seriously. You are there to ask a historian a question, and if none answers, then so be it.
And I agree, pushing past the obvious dog whistle to go somewhere the data doesn’t lead is a way to weaken what should be a self-evidently powerful argument that the Trumpers are embracing ever-more-openly fascist positions on, well, everything.
I wholeheartedly agree.
The verified posters tend to be millennial academics with masters or PhD’s in history or closely related fields, and they take the name of the community seriously
Verified by whom?
Reddit as a whole is a consent manufacturing machine. These “verified” crap shoots, where every one of the “discussions” align with the confirmation bias of the people manufactured by people who want to curate the narrative doesn’t have any credibility beyond people who are gullible or benefit from these narratives.
But you do you.
Literally have watched the typically accepted propaganda get removed quickly on that sub. Also had several conversations with mods when I was on there. Levelheaded and quite serious about their work. Literally the only sub that seemed to maintain ethics and consistency.
That being said, I’ve not been on there in a couple of years.
If you ever want to check, just dona search and set the range of dates to end before the current outrage.
Before January, I couldn’t find a single use of that phrase on the internet.
But it’s not some dog whistle, it’s blatantly obvious what they’re saying. Don’t let them get it twisted up so that the only bad things are verbatim what nazis said.
Same. I did find a recent substack that acknowledges that this phrase as a reprisal war crime was not verbatim used by Nazi Germany, it was just “in the spirit” of how the Nazis did their war crimes.
https://brendonbeebe.substack.com/p/one-of-ours-all-of-yours-origins
Yeah, except that article is incorrect. The whole thing is made up. That isn’t a Nazi slogan and never was.
It’s what they did
You didn’t read it.
One thing is clear: the phrase carries power, but its classification as a historic Nazi slogan is not supported by primary historical evidence.
Good message. I agree.
However, their message is still abhorrent
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Yeah, mods should probably delete the OP post imo… Its pretty bad to allow something blatantly false to spread like this. Especially looking at the upvote ratio.
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Congrats, Amerikkka! You finally managed to achieve socialism! The National kind of Socialism!
EDIT: Apparently, the joke is not evident enough so I have to explain it so I’m not called a right-winger:
There is a double reference in the comment:
I wrote “Amerikkka” with 3 K for the KKK. (First part of the joke) to call them KKK members.
Then I used National Socialism (notice the capitalized words) instead of just socialism or national socialism (without capitalized words) to reference the name nazis gave themselves, to calll them nazis.
I hope this clears it up. As people are talking about “nuance” that I seem to be lacking.
that’s not socialism
Look for National Socialism. See if it checks.
Edit: Funny the amount of downvoters. Ignorance is bliss I guess.
maybe try and read a dictionary bud? sorry they downvoted you, but socialism is good, that isn’t socialism
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism
Smh. And I quote:
Nazism (/ˈnɑːtsiɪzəm, ˈnæt-/ ⓘNA(H)T-see-iz-əm), formally named National Socialism (NS, German: Nationalsozialismus, German: [natsi̯oˈnaːlzotsi̯aˌlɪsmʊs] ⓘ),
I can call a party “the cumfarts and beer union” and have nothing to do with either, proofs in the pudding, so to speak.
Nazis called themselves national socialists.
The magas are now openly nazist.
If you call the magas national socialists (and not simply socialists) you are calling them nazis.
The joke is way less funny when you have to explain it.
So you don’t actually know what socialism is. If you did, you’d be the last one saying the Nazis were using the name correctly.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism
Smh. And I quote:
Socialism is an economic and political philosophy encompassing diverse economic and social systems characterised by social ownership of the means of production, as opposed to private ownership. It describes the economic, political, and social theories and movements associated with the implementation of such systems. Social ownership can take various forms, including public, community, collective, cooperative, or employee. As one of the main ideologies on the political spectrum, socialism is the standard left-wing ideology in most countries. Types of socialism vary based on the role of markets and planning in resource allocation, and the structure of management in organizations.
To misuse names as labels contradictory to substance is a hallmark of propaganda. I don’t fall for it. Just because Nazis want people to think they’re just crunchy on the outside while remaining warm and caring on the inside and pick a name they think will do that for outsiders doesn’t actually mean shit.
Nuance is important. Learn to look past the name.
How the fuck do you not see that you are the problem here? This was a very obvious joke about how Nazis named themselves National Socialists. How have you turned this into an argument? What the actual fuck is wrong with people on this website.
Nuance is important. Learn to look past the name.
Says the one who was unable to get a joke comment in which I’m calling them “national socialist” and not just socialists to call them nazis (since the nazis called themselves national socialists and not simply socialists).
You talk about nuance and can’t see that I’m specifically calling them national socialists and not just socialsts.
Ffs, have you escaped from .ml? You look ridiculous in your defense of socialism when all I did was a joke about nazism.
Edit: You shouldn’t talk about nuance when you didn’t get the “nuance” on the first place. Notice the capitalized letters in the first comment and not just the name. Nuance is important, so by calling it National Socialism (mind the caps) and not national socialism (mind the caps again) I’m using not the general definition of the socialism but the name nazis gave to their movement (which was, as every name, capitalized). You didn’t get the joke. And that’s fine. But it’s not on me.
You sounded like a rightwinger who unironically confuses nazis with actual socialists, and it didn’t help that you started off defending what you said for two more comments rather than admitting you were joking and accepting that of course they’re different.
Yeah, this is the breaking point 🙄
It’s wild what they’ll put up with until you realize that they’re simply trying to pretend like it’s only the start so they don’t need to actually do anything about it yet.
They could be personally being stabbed and they’ll still say “ohhhh boy when it gets REAL bad I’m gunna be so cool and badass about this”.
Be careful, might be a few more breaking points flying over soon. 😅
The phrase “One of ours, all of yours” was displayed on a podium during a Department of Homeland Security (DHS) briefing attended by Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem. While images of the podium with the slogan circulated widely on social media, Kristi Noem herself did not say the phrase aloud 12.
The slogan has been linked to Nazi Germany, specifically as a reprisal for the killing of an SS officer 45. Musician Tom Morello alleged that the “Trump admin quoted (verbatim) the slogan” 25. However, other reports indicate that Noem defended ICE agents, stating they acted in self-defense and that “criminal, illegal aliens” would be arrested while American citizens would be protected 1. Some sources suggest that the phrase has not been found in historical texts related to 20th-century history 3.
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Did Kristi Noem really say One of Ours All of Yours? History of …www.primetimer.com
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Fact Check: Did Kristi Noem use problematic slogan ‘One of ours, all of …news.meaww.com
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Kristi Noem One of Ours, All of Yours Podium Message Explainedwww.distractify.com
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‘One of ours, all of yours’ – Into the Woodsacornabbey.com
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Tom Morello Condemns DHS Podium Sloganbluntmag.com.au
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Still. She allowed the quote to be displayed while she was making a statement.
Her sentiment is clear.
If you stand behind a podium and give a speech, that podium is part of it. Whether or not her mouth made those sounds, she fucking said it.
Well this is disingenuous as fuck.
“She didn’t say nazi shit, she just wore a swastika on her arm. Get your facts straight!”
The short version is, while the meaning/intent is fascist as hell. The attribution of the phrase is “highly unlikely”.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m not defending liars and a$$holes. But it’s not useful to misquote without sources.
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The women were sent to concentration camps and most of the kids were gassed. This is literally what they mean when they say “make America great again”
