Turns out all you need is a Supreme Court majority on your side and you can wipe your ass with the Constitution.
So just to be clear. The EPA cannot make regulations despite full congressional authority to do so because that is “creating law” without a direct legislative process. But ICE, an agency that doesn’t even have real law enforcement powers, can just ignore the fourth amendment entirely because the president said so?
“Official acts.”
Which by DEFINITION, would not include Un-Constitutional behavior. No violation of the Constitution could ever be construed as an “Official Act.”
No SCOTUS had ever put guardrails on the president in almost 250 years, but this SCOTUS reinforced that he has immunity for “Official Acts,” and nobody realizes that they just put guardrails on the presidency for the first time.
Everybody thinks it gives him immunity for EVERYTHING while he is president, but they specifically said “Official Acts,” which would be those outlined in the Constitution. Anything deemed Un-Constitutional, would not be an “Official Act,” and he would not have immunity, just like any other citizen.
Be sure to cite that when they’re breaking down your door without a warrant because you posted a meme of Trump online
Guardrails? I think you should re-read their decision again. They gave him protection because until now even official acts didn’t necessarily protect the president. And now, it doesn’t matter what illegal thing he does as long as it’s part of an official act. ANYTHING. Because as long as it’s part of an official act they can’t even question it. And they didn’t even provide a list of what constitutes an official act.
So they literally put the president above all laws provided he can tie it back to some vague notion of an official act.
The answer to that is, legally no. However, that doesn’t stop them from doing it illegally.
Cavanaugh said it’s OK
Black/brownshirt rules. Let’s stop pretending the U.S has rule of law. It’s full blown fascism at this point. Too bad Americans can’t shoot straight.
The EPA cannot make regulations… But ICE, an agency that doesn’t even have real law enforcement powers, can just ignore the fourth amendment entirely because the president said so?
Today you learned the difference between creating regulations and enforcing existing regulations, congrats.
If ICE violates your 4th amendment rights shutup and enjoy your multimillion dollar lawsuit. If you aren’t entitled to said lawsuit then your rights weren’t violated.
How’s that boot taste?
I don’t think the user you responded to was defending ICE. They were bitterly pointing out how the court system is rigged and how there is no oversight to enforce the law on the executive branch.
I suggest checking a users post history before you decide to defend them.
What exactly is the point of a judicial warrant if the executive branch can determine when they’re unnecessary?
And just as we always suspected, all those “2nd Amendment Absolutists” are doing sweet fuck all.
Who do you think is collecting the $50k signing bonus or whatever?
*$50k paid at $10k/year over 5 years. If they don’t make it 5 years they have to pay it back.
I wonder how many of them know this.
They’d be pretty upset if they could read.
I don’t think Trump intends to pay them. Odds are, he would have the “oldest” ICE members deployed into live combat and not treated for injuries afterwards.
They like that this is happening (unless they’re actually targeted by ICE).
Instead of talking shit on them why don’t you buy a gun and make the argument yourself? I’ll even promise to try and track down your jurors and explain jury nullification to them.
It’s a lot easier to talk shit on the Internet though.
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Armed self defense is a DIY project. Same with all our individual rights. Get your own tools, do your own work. If you’re not willing to take on the risk of defending yourself why should anyone else?
Time for y’all to get guns then
They are drooling at the opportunity to make their own version of Horst Wessel out of an ICE officer.
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The American delusion ™
The time for that was Jan 7, 2020.
If someone is buying a gun today and they haven’t fired one yet, they’re kinda just a loot crate.
"ICE says its officers can forcibly enter homes . . . "
I’ve got a gun that says they can’t.
Tally-ho boys!
There’s been a run on grapeshot
It will be buckshot at first. Grapeshot comes after.
THEY say they can…the law and the constitution says they can’t. Honestly, it is going to take some bad encounters for they to realize they are wrong, and when the encounters go bad, the dictator will mobilize other options he is trying to use.
It is a Rittenhouse strategy. Premeditated self-defense on a national scale.
They got more that says, “Wanna bet?” I mean, I’d want to see that, for sure. That first step is easy and obvious. It’s the second that is confusing.
What these dumbasses (the ICE officers) aren’t realizing is that this fascist administration wants these “agents” to get killed for stepping into the wrong house so they can use it as further justification for excessive force. Every ICE agent with boots on the ground is just a sacrificial lamb for their (the fascist regime’s) racist agenda.
Edit: Added clarifications in parentheses.
Also, believe it or not, not every American owns a gun. The majority of those that do, own rifles intended for hunting or small handguns. Not weapons intended for military conflict. My SKS might deter a burglar, but it’s just going to encourage a cadre of ICE agents to come in shooting.
and what other dumbasses aren’t realizing is that force is going to be escalated regardless, so you might as well kill them instead of get killed
We all have to accept that if they break into our homes, we’re probably going to get killed by ICE regardless if we have a gun or not.
That being said, if we all have guns and manage to take out at least two of the mouth-breathing chuds before we die, they will eventually run out of mouth-breathing chuds.
K:D > 2:1 and it’s just a game of attrition.
Well you’re getting butt fucked regardless so you might as well go out doing some butt fucking of your own. Give me 🗽 or give me ☠️‼️
Nonsense, if they get killed they very quickly stop acting like they have all the power and immunity, which they absolutely seem to still have. There is only ONE way to deal with bullies/narcissists/… and that is escalation.
And when escalation is exactly what the bullies/narcissists want?
Ah yes because Trump has any sort of grand plan, sure sure. Well I guess let’s just bow down then and capitulate, the 5D chess expert will beat us anyway.
They killed a lady for existing and shit on her and her family. They never needed an excuse to escalate. They just do whatever. Time to fight back
And all it’ll take to fix everything is one good guy with a gun, right?
When that dipshit lady got shot in the face at the capitol riots, they stopped pushing that window. Idiots in groups, even if they are armed, are still idiots…and conservatives more so due to their very strict sheep mentality. Remember kids, ICE isn’t real agents and officers, it is maga cosplayers and they scare easy when they are shown a vulnerability.
Funny, I also said things that were untrue but convenient to me. I was 6 at the time, but still
Cool. Guess what the 2nd Amendment says?
Find some friends and don’t go it alone in Minecraft!
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Turns out all you need is a Supreme Court majority on your side and you can wipe your ass with the Constitution.
Obviously. That is the whole point of the Supreme Court. The surprising thing is that there wasn’t more public concern when Trump selected his sycophant judges.
There was, but the .ml CCP mouthpieces reassured us we were being dramatic when we said the last election was critical and vote blue wasn’t going to fix anything, but rather we had to vote for someone that had no chance and hand the election to the regressives. Shrug
The person you voted for had no chance because they spent the previous 4 years trying to be republicans, up to and including sending police to kick the shit out of the politically activated youth who make up the dem’s ground game.
When Trump? They’ve been letting these dudes in since Bush
The Nazis ruled Germany for 12 years. The Gestapo believed that they were untouchable. In the end, the leader was dead by suicide, the senior officers tried and executed, the junior officers hunted, tried, convicted, and executed, imprisoned or murdered, and those who weren’t caught were hunted and on the run for the rest of their lives until they were dead.
I’m just saying.
and those who weren’t caught were hunted and on the run for the rest of their lives until they were dead.
this is actually untrue in some cases. Some really made the getaway to Latin America and literally got away with it.
Josef Mengele is the worst for multiple reasons. He got married under his own name, WENT BACK TO GERMANY UNDER HIS REAL PASSPORT IN HIS REAL NAME ON HOLIDAY AND RETURNED, and died in a swimming accident after a normal lifespan.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josef_Mengele#In_South_America
Mengele worked as a carpenter in Buenos Aires while lodging in a boarding house in the suburb of Vicente López.[95] After a few weeks, he moved to the house of a Nazi sympathizer in the neighborhood of Florida Este. He next worked as a salesman for his family’s farm equipment company, Karl Mengele & Sons, and in 1951, he began making frequent trips to Paraguay as a regional sales representative for the firm.[96] He moved into an apartment in central Buenos Aires in 1953, used family funds to buy a part interest in a carpentry concern, and then rented a house in the suburb of Olivos in 1954
After obtaining a copy of his birth certificate through the West German embassy in 1956, Mengele was issued an Argentine foreign residence permit under his real name. He used this document to obtain a West German passport using his real name and embarked on a trip to Europe.[99][100] He met with his son Rolf (who was told Mengele was his “Uncle Fritz”)[101] and his widowed sister-in-law Martha for a ski holiday in Switzerland. He also spent a week in his home town of Günzburg.[102][103] When he returned to Argentina in September 1956, Mengele applied for and received an Argentinian identity card under the name José Mengele, a variation of his real name
Martha and her son Karl Heinz followed about a month later, and the three began living together. Josef and Martha were married in 1958 while on holiday in Uruguay, and they bought a house in Buenos Aires
Rolf, who had not seen his father since the ski holiday in 1956, visited him at the bungalow in 1977; he found an “unrepentant Nazi” who claimed he had never personally harmed anyone and only carried out his duties as an officer.[138]
On 7 February 1979, while visiting his friends Wolfram and Liselotte Bossert in the coastal resort of Bertioga,[140] Mengele had a second stroke while swimming and drowned.
Just to remind you, this is Josef “The angel of death” Mengele, who experimented on human beings for funsies and just to see what would happen. The guy that Slayer wrote their biggest hit around. This prick got away with it all, learnt nothing, had no shame AND WENT BACK TO GERMANY ON HOLIDAY.
Is RFK Mengele in this scenario? Do you think there are many rocket scientists working for ICE? Are Trump’s cabinet members political elites?
The Trump regime is a pedofascist kleptocratic idiocracy. ICE are the prison camp guards who were hunted relentlessly until they were caught or dead.
And most administrative people on the political side just continued to rule. There are plenty of German politicians today those parents or mentors were prominent collaborators.
If this goes historically barely anyone in power will be held responsible.
plenty of nazis ended up in nasa, in the UN and in argentina
Plenty also ended up as politicians in West Germany or running NATO.
Denazification was a myth. Priorities shifted to dealing with the Soviets after WWII.
It was just impossible to implement, also people able to run the country were needed when it was in rubble.
Anyone who had any kind of meaningful job had to enlist with the nazi party.
If Trump required enlistment in a Maga party to work in the US, what do you think people would do?
How many rocket scientists do you think are working at ICE?
In the DDR maybe. In the west they were so on the run that they ran themselves into being NATO’s chief staff officer, working for the US, getting into politics or just dicking around in South America.
Which of the people in the Trump regime do you think are at the same intellectual level? Rocket scientists? Brilliant physicians?
The Nazi elite were evil geniuses. The Trumpers are just evil.
As a European I am baffled the civil war has not even started yet.
It’s crazy right? Especially since americans were so vocal about all of the amendments and chekcs and balances for decades which turned out to mean absolutely nothing.
Nobody wants to start it because the consequences would be huge and right now sitting around doing nothing is still possible.
If they decide to follow this memo and actual law enforcement do not care, sitting around doing nothing will not remain an option.
At least from an outside perspective it seems like the consequence are inevitable. Sitting around only delays everything and increases the overall suffering.
Yeah, I should mention that my perspective is very much an outside one. I’ve never been to the American continent. But I think a lot of us are tired of nothing happening even if it’s better than the alternative in the short term.
It just need someone snapping and starts shooting ICE. Then all hell will break loose. IIRC there’s some political scientists doing a simulation on how a civil war might start in modern America and it’s eerily similar to what’s been going on right now. There’s only two steps left, someone shooting ICE and then the federal government starts sending troops to take over State and clashing between federal military and the national guard.
How would you even simulate something that relies almost entirely on non-deterministic human behaviours?
They played some kind of RPG.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2026/jan/21/ice-minnesota-trump
Indeed!
But doing nothing did and does validate what he is doing.
Civil war = no midterm elections = Trump win.
I know, he’s also hoping for it. There is no good solution. He will just go on.
What about this memo that says they can’t? It also states we can bear arms to protect ourselves from tyranny so… check mate Nazis
They clearly abandoned their oaths at all levels, so that document doesn’t mean anything anymore if everybody willfully ignores it daily. At that point, it’s just ink on a paper that is just barley better than a spill.
And that means we are well within our legal rights to fight back
The mask of rule of law slips to reveal the reality of might makes right. You better outnumber and outgun them, to enforce these rights.
Does that include car bombs?
Probably. I wouldn’t be surprised if RC cars become a common threat in urban America or something. We live in shitty and interesting times.
I heard people speculate that this time in America will be a lot like the “troubles” in Ireland
A memo???
Ha!
A lot of these guys are going to be killed.
Oh no. Anyway…
Nothing of value will be lost.
-Both sides, but for different reasons.
Those bullets could have been used for fun evenings in the gun range, so there was some lost value
Poor innocent bullets are gonna be forced into ICE agents instead of deer-shaped steel plates. How sad.
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Well, they can try but I wouldn’t recommend it.
