Turns out all you need is a Supreme Court majority on your side and you can wipe your ass with the Constitution.
What about this memo that says they can’t? It also states we can bear arms to protect ourselves from tyranny so… check mate Nazis
They clearly abandoned their oaths at all levels, so that document doesn’t mean anything anymore if everybody willfully ignores it daily. At that point, it’s just ink on a paper that is just barley better than a spill.
And that means we are well within our legal rights to fight back
Does that include car bombs?
Cool. Guess what the 2nd Amendment says?
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"ICE says its officers can forcibly enter homes . . . "
I’ve got a gun that says they can’t.
Tally-ho boys!
There’s been a run on grapeshot
They got more that says, “Wanna bet?” I mean, I’d want to see that, for sure. That first step is easy and obvious. It’s the second that is confusing.
A memo???
Ha!
A lot of these guys are going to be killed.
Nothing of value will be lost.
-Both sides, but for different reasons.
Those bullets could have been used for fun evenings in the gun range, so there was some lost value
Oh no. Anyway…
Turns out all you need is a Supreme Court majority on your side and you can wipe your ass with the Constitution.
Same as it’s always been, they’re just being more brazen about it
You don’t even need the courts of your side. The Regime has directly defied court orders time and time again.
What you really need is a citizenry that’s too afraid or complicit to defend themselves.
They will absolutely come for the guns next. Once the population is disarmed the civil war will begin. Martial law. Police state. No privacy protections. All amendments abolished. Civil rights act abolished. Military checkpoints at all state borders. Reinstated draft. 10% inflation. 20% unemployment. Reeducation centers. Prison work camps. State takeover of media. Iron curtain. Restricted Internet.
This year. Get out while the borders are open.
This year. Get out while the borders are open.
Some people have to stay behind to sabotage the Regime.
Let’s just hope they spare your family.
Don’t got the money for that. My best option is to fight, provided the people of my state are also willing to die for a better future.
If you think they will take guns away from Americans in 2026 at any kind of scale you are very naive
Doesn’t mean they won’t try
Prisoners are profitable and will only become increasingly profitable as they start using them as slave labor, which is specifically allowed under the Constitution. Only chattle slavery was abolished. When they are no longer subject to being voted out of office there is every incentive in the world to arrest people.
So new executive order: we gotta stop all the school shootings therefore all guns are illegal. Gun owners will be required to turn in their weapons in exchange for a pennies on the dollar buyback. These weapons will then be sold by the government to who the fuck knows. This will be followed by a house to house compliance check where you either produce your receipt or submit to a warrantless search. Anyone caught with a weapon will be sent to a prison work camp making iPhones and drones. Simple as that.
Oh you want to fight back? Bueno, now you’re a terrorist. This justifies further military presence in your town and seizure of all of your assets. You will be lucky if your family isn’t required to pay upfront for your prison stay.
I am not being naive. I am being real. I am an American but I was not educated in the American school system. I understand what is happening because it has happened a thousand times to a thousand other countries. There is a standard operation of events and we are following a textbook march into dictatorship.
Do you know anything at all about the laws surrounding prison labor?
We are witnessing an administration who does not consider themselves to be bound by established laws and norms. We are watching our constitutional rights being eroded one by one in real time. Do you think he will ever say “oh man I would love to do something but it would be illegal if I did”. Who is being naive now?
All I know is that “they wouldn’t do that…” had always been answered with “yes they are”
Other than the black Panthers ain’t nobody already with guns doing anything right now.
Turns out all you need is a Supreme Court majority on your side and you can wipe your ass with the Constitution.
Obviously. That is the whole point of the Supreme Court. The surprising thing is that there wasn’t more public concern when Trump selected his sycophant judges.
When Trump? They’ve been letting these dudes in since Bush
So just to be clear. The EPA cannot make regulations despite full congressional authority to do so because that is “creating law” without a direct legislative process. But ICE, an agency that doesn’t even have real law enforcement powers, can just ignore the fourth amendment entirely because the president said so?
The answer to that is, legally no. However, that doesn’t stop them from doing it illegally.
“Official acts.”
Which by DEFINITION, would not include Un-Constitutional behavior. No violation of the Constitution could ever be construed as an “Official Act.”
No SCOTUS had ever put guardrails on the president in almost 250 years, but this SCOTUS reinforced that he has immunity for “Official Acts,” and nobody realizes that they just put guardrails on the presidency for the first time.
Everybody thinks it gives him immunity for EVERYTHING while he is president, but they specifically said “Official Acts,” which would be those outlined in the Constitution. Anything deemed Un-Constitutional, would not be an “Official Act,” and he would not have immunity, just like any other citizen.
Guardrails? I think you should re-read their decision again. They gave him protection because until now even official acts didn’t necessarily protect the president. And now, it doesn’t matter what illegal thing he does as long as it’s part of an official act. ANYTHING. Because as long as it’s part of an official act they can’t even question it. And they didn’t even provide a list of what constitutes an official act.
So they literally put the president above all laws provided he can tie it back to some vague notion of an official act.
Be sure to cite that when they’re breaking down your door without a warrant because you posted a meme of Trump online
The EPA cannot make regulations… But ICE, an agency that doesn’t even have real law enforcement powers, can just ignore the fourth amendment entirely because the president said so?
Today you learned the difference between creating regulations and enforcing existing regulations, congrats.
If ICE violates your 4th amendment rights shutup and enjoy your multimillion dollar lawsuit. If you aren’t entitled to said lawsuit then your rights weren’t violated.
How’s that boot taste?
I don’t think the user you responded to was defending ICE. They were bitterly pointing out how the court system is rigged and how there is no oversight to enforce the law on the executive branch.
I suggest checking a users post history before you decide to defend them.
What exactly is the point of a judicial warrant if the executive branch can determine when they’re unnecessary?
Time for y’all to get guns then
The time for that was Jan 7, 2020.
If someone is buying a gun today and they haven’t fired one yet, they’re kinda just a loot crate.
They are drooling at the opportunity to make their own version of Horst Wessel out of an ICE officer.
I live alone and have every gun in the house loaded.
Funny, I also said things that were untrue but convenient to me. I was 6 at the time, but still
And just as we always suspected, all those “2nd Amendment Absolutists” are doing sweet fuck all.
Who do you think is collecting the $50k signing bonus or whatever?
*$50k paid at $10k/year over 5 years. If they don’t make it 5 years they have to pay it back.
I wonder how many of them know this.
They’d be pretty upset if they could read.
I don’t think Trump intends to pay them. Odds are, he would have the “oldest” ICE members deployed into live combat and not treated for injuries afterwards.
They like that this is happening (unless they’re actually targeted by ICE).
Instead of talking shit on them why don’t you buy a gun and make the argument yourself? I’ll even promise to try and track down your jurors and explain jury nullification to them.
It’s a lot easier to talk shit on the Internet though.
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Armed self defense is a DIY project. Same with all our individual rights. Get your own tools, do your own work. If you’re not willing to take on the risk of defending yourself why should anyone else?
What these dumbasses (the ICE officers) aren’t realizing is that this fascist administration wants these “agents” to get killed for stepping into the wrong house so they can use it as further justification for excessive force. Every ICE agent with boots on the ground is just a sacrificial lamb for their (the fascist regime’s) racist agenda.
Edit: Added clarifications in parentheses.
Also, believe it or not, not every American owns a gun. The majority of those that do, own rifles intended for hunting or small handguns. Not weapons intended for military conflict. My SKS might deter a burglar, but it’s just going to encourage a cadre of ICE agents to come in shooting.
and what other dumbasses aren’t realizing is that force is going to be escalated regardless, so you might as well kill them instead of get killed
We all have to accept that if they break into our homes, we’re probably going to get killed by ICE regardless if we have a gun or not.
That being said, if we all have guns and manage to take out at least two of the mouth-breathing chuds before we die, they will eventually run out of mouth-breathing chuds.
K:D > 2:1 and it’s just a game of attrition.
Well you’re getting butt fucked regardless so you might as well go out doing some butt fucking of your own. Give me 🗽 or give me ☠️‼️
Nonsense, if they get killed they very quickly stop acting like they have all the power and immunity, which they absolutely seem to still have. There is only ONE way to deal with bullies/narcissists/… and that is escalation.
And when escalation is exactly what the bullies/narcissists want?
Ah yes because Trump has any sort of grand plan, sure sure. Well I guess let’s just bow down then and capitulate, the 5D chess expert will beat us anyway.
Oh my fucking god… Every comment in this stupid thread is saying the same stupid thing. “Time to get your guns…”, "Exercise your 2nd amendment… " Yeah, that’s hilarious tough guy. Do you have a gun? No? well do you have a gun license? No? Well do you know the first thing about firearms? You do! Oh you’ve played several call of duty games… Awesome. Do you know that you’re statistically more likely to shoot a family member than a home intruder? Well I hope you don’t like them much.
Ok, moving past the idiotic bravado… It sounds like you have no solution for people who aren’t just itching to murder other people. Say for instance, that I have no interest in shooting someone, and in fact feel that a civil society should not involve shooting anyone, especially fellow countrymen. With that in mind, for the sane perhaps 70% of Americans, do you have any useful advice besides “get a gun”?
Finally, if your plan does work and every American arms themselves, then congratulations, we’ve fallen into civil war 2. Now what? Even if you do have guns, the government has bigger ones and they have munitions you don’t. You will always, always be outgunned by the military. Now being armed makes you a hostile combatant/terrorist agent in the eyes of the law, anything you do with it will be deemed illegal. Some good that 2nd amendment is doing you. What’s your plan now?
well do you have a gun license?
Tell me you’re describing your own lack of experience with firearms without telling me you’re describing your own lack of experience with firearms.
So you plan to just take the abuse and the loss of your liberties and freedoms?
I’ll stick to my guns.
Legit question, are you brain damaged?
As a gun owner, I agree with this. Open fire on ICE…see how that goes. You won’t win. You might kill one, but they will CERTAINLY kill your back. Isn’t it odd that in the most armed county on earth, no ICE officers have been shot in the line of duty (check me there, but I’m not familiar with one)?
Seems like most people are focused on the gun thing here. You already said it; what civil solution do we have?
Protests, which are doing little to nothing. What happens when those fail? This is extreme fedposting.
Community building. That’s the best thing we can do right now. Building social structures to help take care of everyone when the crumbling system will inevitably fail us. This can include making sure that vulnerable people are safe when ICE are sighted in the local area.
People break into my house I’m with intent to harm me andy family
This guy: welp. Guess I’ll die.
He didn’t ever get his gun license.
Guess I’ll defend myself, but not with a gun.
Says 80% of the global population…
Yeah, that’s such a weird stance. It’s just what the vast majority of people do.
You’re welcome to not have guns. No one is forcing you to defend yourself. You can fight ICE with your bare hands if you want.
But maybe don’t shit on others for wanting to be pragmatic.
So do you put like ketchup or ranch on the boot first, or…?
You are already defeated I see.
Back to the keyboard they go.
You are already brainwashed I see.
Do you understand what irony is?
This comment is wild
