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FTFY
I’ve tried to promote Lemmy on Reddit in the past, only to be met with people complaining about the really old UI and bad UX, they also complain about tankies.
PieFed doesn’t have that bad rep, so I’ve found it easier to promote, both lead to the Fedivers so either is a win.
PieFed has its own share of dodgy stuff:
UX/UI are only as bad as the client is. For me, Lemmy is indistinguishable from reddit (if you don’t look at numbers of comments), because I use Lemmy Sync, as I used Reddit Sync before
I used Lemmy for months, mostly in the browser and my UX was absolutely horrible.
The default browser UI sucks.
I had to try many different settings and eventually through a lot of effort found the Photon UI, which is nice.
The vast majority of users just won’t go through that effort. PieFed’s default UI is quite clean and modern and much nicer to use, which is why I promote it instead
In what ways does the Lemmy UI suck? I would appreciate feedback in order to improve it. For what its worth I only use the default UI on desktop and mobile, and like it a lot.
Any actions you need to take that could have been avoided = bad UX.
Any time you need to think and not immediately know what to do next = bad UX.
Sadly we’re in a time where users expect their hand to be held the whole time and where they expect zero effort to be put in and everything to just work.
For me the biggest issue with default Lemmy is, why do I have to click on a image post to view the image, when it could just have defaulted to a bigger size?
But I don’t want a bunch of huge images in my face. Isn’t that what pixelfed and Instagramy things are for? I only want to click on the things I’m interested in, not be shown an ugly frustrating stream of giant, semi-traumatic political pictures one after the other. Thumbnails exist for a reason and claiming they’re bad UX is incorrect, it’s the industry standard design pattern for any control that allows a user to browse quickly through multiple images or to provide an impression to a user before they decide whether or not to open the full content.
Lemmie/piefed is more about text and conversations so titles should always be the largest clearest part so you can read them quickly to know whether you want to engage with the post or not. Otherwise, how is it different from pixelfed? Likes vs upvotes is not a big difference.
I don’t understand your problem. Can’t you just tap the image to see it larger? I don’t have to click an image post like you claim to.
They seem to want new reddit ui and not understand most hate that ui/ux
I used Lemmy for months, mostly in the browser and my UX was absolutely horrible.
The default browser UI sucks.
How long ago? It was a bit flaky a couple of years ago but for me now it’s perfect - like Reddit UI before it enshittified.
I’m sorry but the default Lemmy UI is objectively bad, it breaks so many UX principles.
Photon is good, but go to Lemmy.world and it looks like a website built in the early 90’s
If it looks like anything of the past then it looks like the web from 10-15 years ago pre-mass-enshittification, maybe people have forgotten what non user hostile websites look like.
Photon has infinite scrolling, which is horrible.
Infinite scrolling is optional and also a feature the majority of users (not hyper specific tech nerds) want. If we are to have any hope of bringing the average social media user onto these platforms, we have to design it for them. Most of the addictiveness comes from the algorithm (lemmy lacks a personalized one), not necessarily the infinite scrolling itself
Yes there’s been enshitification, but not everything has gotten worse. UI’s are much better than the past.
Why is infinite scrolling a bad UX? It saves the user from clicking next-page
You could argue that it’s dark-ux, but it’s not bad-ux
I use the the apk called “Thunder” and it does a fantastic job. Much better than just using the website of here or reddit.
Okay then recommend Lemmy with PhotonUI?
Too much friction, and that’s really bad UX.
And now you have to explain to people why the default UI sucks. I tried to promote https://p.lemmy.world to people, and they tell me to get lost with that dodgy virus link.
Don’t link p.lemmy.world. it’s well over a year out of date.
phtn.app probably looks a bit less suspicious, and also lets you use any Lemmy/Piefed instance.
You could say it as “phtn.app is a web portal for the fediverse” or something like that because the concept of web apps is confusing to many
People are very sensitive and suspect of dodgy links.
If you tell someone ‘hey checkout lemmy, PS the default UI sucks so actually go to phtn.app’
they simply don’t click and think you’re trying to scam them
That’s just fine. Don’t worry yourself too much. I don’t know about everyone else, but I only want the people open to making a switch here. If you’re so put off by trying something new that you aren’t willing to give it a chance, then I’m not going to be begging for you to join my community.
I tried out a handful of Lemmy apps and Thunder is what I used for most of it but then switched to Summit. There’s aspects I like about both and aspects I dislike about both, but they don’t have a bad UI.
I’m checking in with voyager here, and I came from the reddit Apollo app and I feel the same.
It was practically seamless, though I’ve considered switching to try out other clients.
Tried Piefed and find it clunky with my current level of familiarity
“Complain about tankies” it’s the same fediverse… With the same content…
Sure but PieFed doesn’t seem to have a tankie problem. They’re blocked from what I’ve seen.
Even if that wasn’t the case, PieFed doesn’t have a reputation for having a tankie problem.
The bottom line is when I promote PieFed I don’t get people on reddit telling me the UI sucked and that it’s flooded with pro-russia propaganda.
So I find it more efficient to promote PieFed
Anyone can instance can defederate from any other instance in Lemmy, not that hard to understand.
It’s a shame to see that people think of Lemmy creators as some sort of villains.
I created my account on .ml before the Reddit blackout, but there wasn’t much content there, so I didn’t use it much. I properly started using it after the “Reddit blackout,” and that’s when I learned about the so-called “tankie problem.” I’ve met people with weird opinions, but the developers and Marxists in general aren’t bad people. People just usually make a strawmen to argue against.
Anyway, none of their opinions are reflected in the software. Lemmy is done in a truly democratic and user-oriented way, and I respect them for it.
Those guys aren’t Marxists, they’re mentally unstable Americans with a fetish for authoritarianism.
The Lemmy devs? I’d suggest to read what they actually write. They are good guys.
I also don’t think it matters. For example, I don’t really like the behavior of the Duckstation dev. It’s a PS1 emulator. But I don’t have to agree with him in order to use it.
PieFed literally uses a social credit score system and it gets lowered if you post content the Dev doesn’t like. It’s shit. And it’s ugly, people who want a low density enshittified web app interface should be actively filtered out.
For different UI you can linnk people to blorp, vger.app or phtn.app. There are also a lot of mobile apps.
I hear that, but the thing is anyone can block whatever/whoever they feel the need to in the fediverse. I truly believe server admins should federate across the board, as it’s a disservice to end users only allowing federation with certain servers based on admin preference.
As far as UI and UX go, Lemmy’s devs are some of the biggest players in the overall fediverse functionality. So while the UI/UX could use some more attention in select areas, being able to interact with the other platforms is a much bigger aspect to the appeal of the fediverse! The Lemmy devs really do deserve a lot more credit for their work, regardless on their opinions or how
thethey approach discussing them.Lemmy doesn’t truly block stuff and the devs refuse to fix that
Really? Huh, I have a decent amount of communities blocked and I’ve never seen a single post from anyone of them after implementing the block
I’m assuming they mean it isn’t a two way block. Blocked users can still interact with your posts/comments, you just can’t see them. I personally think that should be how it works, but I’ve seen a lot of arguments for the Reddit-style blocking where they can’t interact with you anymore.
Granted I browse Lemmy via voyager on Mobile, and Alexandrite on desktop, but this has never been an issue. I find it incredibly easy to block stuff, and curate what I want to see
It’s honestly bonkers to have a community hosted on Lemmy this hostile to Lemmy as software and the developers.
Because so many keep getting told it’s by tankies and stop thinking immediately after that
Are you referring to !fediverse@lemmy.world? This wasn’t posted by the mods.
This comm is often full of comments pushing lemmy alternatives, with PieFed being the new frontrunner.
You’d think the post here would include Lemmy, which I believe is still the most active platform
But it’s the same platform! They all interoperate!
Piefed sometimes makes it hard to interoperate: https://communick.news/comment/8015757
I understand, but most of us are here from the efforts of all those who built Lemmy and it was deliberately left off here as an alternative
Isn’t that because people are canceling it for some reason? I haven’t kept up with it enough to form an opinion, but I understand a lot of people want to ditch the project over something they don’t like about the dev(s).
The devs are Marxist-Leninists. They administrate the .ml instance with that in mind, and they will often ban or strictly moderate low effort anti-China content like depicting Xi as Winnie the Pooh (they see this as racist because yellow bear) and spam posts about Tienanmen Square. I’ve seen people claim they are pro-Russia, but most of what I’ve seen would fall under anti-NATO opinions than pro-Russia. I have never gotten the impression that Putin is popular in .ml, hexbear, or lemmygrad.
But they really just stick to their instance and don’t push their politics on the software’s development.
Yeah I agree, its all the same TBH.
People on Lemmy don’t need to be told about Lemmy though?
People on Lemmy don’t really need to be told about most of these. What’s your point? You and I both know this image was made for people outside Lemmy. In fact, it was updated to remove Lemmy
Lol, posting Piefed as an alternative to reddit to Lemmy…
Also, PeerTube is super obtuse to get an account and has almost no reach. You almost have to personally know someone who has a server or host your own. There’s a reason why video hosting has gotten so corporatized: it’s expensive. That said, almost “no one” used Mastodon for nearly a decade and it’s finally starting to take off, so maybe it just needs another decade or two.
A lot of people hesitate to promote lemmy because of how transphobic / authoritarian the lead devs are. It’s unfortunate, but if you’re concerned about that then piefed really is the more attractive option (I like my comment history too much to have switched yet but… man, it’s getting hard to justify not having done it.)
And obviously the Piefed codebase is so politically and ethically agreeable… /s
No one likes the lemmy lead devs or their stances. But, to my knowledge, they just keep doing their own thing over at
.mland never channel it into their actual codebase.When I first started here, I was on Kbin, and switched to lemmy because it was so much better. I considered switching to Piefed exactly because of these reasons you mentioned (I’ve already switched lemmy instances, comment history is not an issue for me), but when I looked into it there were so many just frankly aggravating things about the way it works and filters stuff by default (not to mention being written in Python, but that’s completely tangential) that I couldn’t do it.
Sure, lemmy developers have backwards principles. But at least their software doesn’t. I completely get why someone would use Piefed instead, especially if they’re trans or of some other demographic directly targeted by the lemmy developers, but I wouldn’t do it myself (unless it gets better, of course).
It’s a testament to (if nothing else) the ability of the piefed devs to behave like adults that I know nothing about them personally. Nu/Des are horrible people, both politically and interpersonally, but that’s the beauty of FOSS: Those of us comfortable with separating the software from the creators get to stick with the software we prefer over one that lacks features or broad support (i.e. all the piefed apps I’ve tried have been pretty rough). Same energy as why people still use windows instead of linux.
I’d argue that it is more because so many people have hate comms and groups set up specifically to target the lemmy devs. Idk why people hate Des so much
Theee are hate comms for the lemmy devs? I’ve failed run across them, huh.
There’s even a user who manually mirrors stuff posted on ml because they hate the devs that much
I’m not entirely sure what that means.
I am unreasonably angry about the stretched icons.
Hey, hey you.
Get some.
Much better!
It makes it look like a shitpost at a glance lol
Some icons are stretched and some aren’t. Double infuriating
Should be Lemmy over piefed.
Yeah but this is like when Disney makes star wars tv shows. Ignore what the current audience likes and use the show as a vehicle to try and tell them what they should like.
I didnt think they could do worse than Discovery but the Academy is incredibly bad. On the plus side, Im rewatching Deep Space Nine again.
And BlueSky over Mastodon
Please add chess.com → lichess
Lichess is not on the fedi
Revolt (now known as Stoat) isn’t federated though.
Is there a federated version, either in the works or planned? Because otherwise, Stoat is the only option.
No.
Other alternatives are Root, not federated.
There’s also Roomy in development which is federated, and will tie into Bluesky.
Links?
Thank you.
Well damn, I need to update the pic I guess. I didn’t make it, just saved it some months ago
Maybe add Matrix as a Discord alternative?
The Element application is solid now. Still I think it’d be a rough transition for most discord users. But more users probably means more potential for developer interest
Last time I checked theirs still no channels ? Discoverability is not really their ethier only active one I really found was the monero one
It now has workspaces (it’s called servers in Discord) and there you can have chats, which are basically channels like in Discord.
Fair point,
I omitted Facebook in my image because fuck that kind of social media (my opinion)
I picked PieFed over Lemmy because UX is everything and currently PieFed has much better UX.
Fuck that kind of social media but tiktok and Instagram are better???
What’s the difference between Piefed and Lemmy?
piefed has an opinionated dev reimplementing karma and filters for content they don’t like right into the application
I was thinking of giving piefed a shot. Any further reading on this?
Edit: Why on earth is this so downvoted? I was thinking of switching from mbin to piefed, saw this, and asked for elaboration. FFS.
I don’t think there’s a writeup, but I can search for explanations later, I’m kind of on the go rn. These filters are technically optional, it’s just another piece of trust you have to hand over to your instance admin and hope they don’t turn them on. Also you have to trust that these optional filters are the only ones, and that there won’t be any hidden filters.
If you wanna give it a shot then by all means go ahead, but I personally feel very uneasy knowing these exist and the dev is willing to implement algorithms to punish people who post “bad content” in their eyes
Lemmy also has filters, you have to have the same ‘trust’ that admins don’t add words to them.
Lemmy intransparently punishes users for using reaction GIFs, writing “this” comments and punches communities for having the words "meme’ or “shitpost” in the title? that’s crazy
All of these things can be turned off, moreover, the “punches communities” specifically refers to the mass federation tool that instance admins can use that has had a lot of terms removed.
Here’s at least some of the ‘feature’ list. was about to switch to piefed until I read it.
https://join.piefed.social/2024/06/22/piefed-features-for-growing-healthy-communities/
check out this comment
Piefed provides sections or slices of the fediverse and often is incorporated with mastodon, whereas Lemmy is a much bigger aspect of the overall fediverse. While everyone is entitled to their option how they approach certain topics, Lemmy’s devs have a huge impact on federation protocols, moderation norms, and general user experience across the fediverse!
https://join.piefed.social/features/
And it’s not being developed by tankies.
Isn’t lemmy the reddit of the fediverse?
TikTok -> driving rusty nails through your nipples
:3
I’ve been using lemmy.world with the boost app. Should I look into piefed? Am I missing anything? I mean I’m happy with what I got, but is the grass any greener?
There’s been some controversy recently about censorship hardcoded into Piefed’s backend. Basically it gives people a “social credit score” based on how they post.
Yuck. Do you have any evidence?
Here’s the writeup about it, going around
So it basically is a worse version of Reddit’s karma.
Essentially, yes. And maybe that’s part of why people jumping from reddit like it so much, but personally, I don’t think the things like this that Piefied is doing are good for the fediverse ecosystem
I can understand where the reputation comes from - spammers and trolls will do everything they can to shit all over everything. Maybe this isn’t the best way to address that problem, but I definitely understand the desire.
I run a forum for a very specific model of RV, and fucking spammers came in so often that I shut off registration and register everyone manually after they send me an email. It raises the bar just enough. Every now and then someone will whine about it, and I’m like, I hear you but this is much easier than cleaning the mess the spammers always leave.
props to you for running such a niche forum! That kind of thing is rare online nowadays
Some of the code snippets are cringe. Ew…
Lmao that “AI filter” would destroy me. Let me have my goddamn em dashes goddamn it
To be fair, it only sends a ping to admins. And it only does it for new accounts.
Thanks. Disgusting
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It has a lot of cool features, I’m almost tempted to switch but am waiting on the app I use to finish supporting it first.
What I miss is a auth service for all of them. Something like a “common user” where you can have all your Fediverse services under the same user.
I’m 1 foot out of Reddit
can anyone eli5 what the difference is from piefed to lemmy? i have a lemmy account, do i have a use for a piefed accnt too?
Its up to you. They are different software but both read lemmy and Piefed communities and instances.
ok thanks. sorry someone downvoted you
PieFed has flair and topics, which make it easier to find content you like.
oh cool. thanks for the info :3
To me. It’s the same thing but PieFed has better UX and more featues.
Which one you pick is for the most part irrelevant.
thanks for the input. im gonna chekc out piefed
