After immigrants are detained by ICE, there are probably records somewhere of who has an attorney, and who is calling family members or an attorney.
For the immigrants who aren’t calling any family or lawyers, the poorest of the poor, people with little to no connection to anyone, who may not even say which country they are from, if the administration were actually trying to kill as many disconnected immigrants as possible in secret, would society know?
For example, if the administration was composed of all types of conservative people, but 30 percent were secretly Nazis or wanted racial genocide, could there be a campaign to not just remove, but kill, immigrants, and the public doesn’t find out?
He is the type to give them free showers…
Does anyone know the whereabouts of any of the 1200 detainees at “Alligator
AlcatrazAuschwitz”, the prison camp that suddenly disappeared?FYI: It was 1800.
Literally could not think of an easier spot than hundreds of miles of Everglades so I fear you might be right ☹️
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/immigration/article312042943.html
Actively, no. But part of the camps is intentional neglect like thermal insulation in the housing, pack of blankets, poor material quality, pest infested bedding, no screens to stop mosquitoes, etc. The lack of protections means increased mortality and morbidity for the captured.
Since they currently house a few thousand in different centers the likelihood of a quarter of unreported dead is unlikely but not impossible. But they definitely have a short awful future which none affected deserve.
In addition to the aspects you’ve mentioned, they also have a history of denying people necessary medications. A number of people have died as a result.
I’m not convinced that these people are organized and competent enough to kill people in that scale without people finding out.
That said, I am certain that a whole lot if people have been killed in custody and covered up, but I don’t think it’s on a scale like that.
I’m not convinced that these people are organized and competent enough to kill people in that scale without people finding out.
Same thoughts. But also too incompetent to single out the detainees who won’t be missed.
That said, I am certain that a whole lot if people have been killed in custody and covered up, but I don’t think it’s on a scale like that.
Oh for sure, but it’ll again be at least part Incompetence and part maliciousness, with an unfortunate outcome.
Possible, but highly unlikely.
For starters, if that many were killed, I think it’d be really hard to keep a lid on it these days.Secondly, I’ve done a lot of reading on the atrocities of WW2, and two immediate constraints come to mind:
- Bodies. While possible, disposing of that many bodies without anyone noticing will be really hard.
- The gas chambers of ww2 were only planned during the Wannsee conference in 1942, long after the holocaust actually started. The gas chambers were built because the original plan was not sustainable: People killing other people at an industrial scale. No matter how vile a person is, the human mind was not built to deal with having to mow down swathes of humans with a gun. Even the worst SS troops largely couldn’t deal with killing that many defenseless people, even if they were convinced it was “for the greater good”. The amount of SS troops who ended up unable to continue due to the mental after effects is staggering.
Nazis weren’t able to fly easily over the ocean during WW2. You wouldn’t be able to reach Holocaust numbers with a plane, but I think “deporting” people but dumping them into the ocean could be possible and seems easy to hide.
I think you underestimate the creativity and power of these people.
It’s exactly like ww2. People just didn’t want to see it. It will come out at some point. I am certain the USA is already using German KZ methods.
It’s worth remembering that something like 5% of the population is sociopathic. That’s a lot of people who are morally compromised.
I’d like to add that these people are evil, but also monumentally stupid. If anything like that happened you could be sure that the perpetrators would brag about it on social media.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasily_Blokhin
Blokhin was selected for the position by Joseph Stalin in 1926 and led a company of executioners that performed and supervised numerous mass killings in the Soviet Union during Stalin’s reign, mostly during the Great Purge and Eastern Front of World War II.[1] Blokhin is recorded as having executed tens of thousands of prisoners by his own hand, including his killing of about 7,000 Polish prisoners of war during the Katyn massacre in spring 1940, making him the most prolific official executioner in recorded world history.[1][2][3] Blokhin was forced into retirement in 1953 after the death of Stalin and condemned during de-Stalinization shortly before his death in 1955.
two immediate constraints come to mind:
- Bodies. While possible, disposing of that many bodies without anyone noticing will be really hard.
They’re already using military cargo planes for “deportation” flights. Maybe some don’t have any live passengers, and they just dump the bodies mid-ocean. No need for mass graves, just load cargo containers onto a cargo plane and off it goes. If it lands with one or two fewer than it started with, that’s just a paperwork issue.
Yes. And based on everything else that MAGA and billionaires have been caught doing and defending, I think there is almost certainly widespread sex trafficking and abuse of the detainees. Why else would the administration try so hard to prevent Congress from observing the facilities?
If the Trump thugs act this badly on the streets then how horribly much worse do you think people are being treated I’m these secret detention facilities completely hidden from public view? This IMO will be seen as one of the worst chapters of our country once all the truth comes out.
Bad enough to end the Republican party in the long run? Hopefully.
I’m not sure that your second point is still a constant, though this is just an opinion and I’m open to discussion on this. They seem to have solved the problem of people not being up to mass killings, through desensitization through social media (I’m thinking of telegram groups specifically). There have been a lot of cases shown recently of people taking outright glee in their and others’ grotesque murders, en masse.
Actually this is pretty good evidence they haven’t started doing that yet. There would be leaks.
to add to this point, they have driven cars through protestors and approved of people doing so.
Everyone knew. The Holocaust is just the Jewish part, by the way. It started with dissidents and “unnatural” people.
The real crimes happen in foreign countries torture camp like in el salvador
Didn’t aerial photos of that camp show mass graves and dead bodies…
No they showed a lot of JPEG.
I’m sure terrible things are happening but a blurry picture is not proof.
I want to have enough faith in humanity to believe that someone inside those camps would leak this information if it were happening.
I want to
Not yet.
Historically though extermination comes a while after mass incarceration. Much harder to do the latter when the public is aware of the former. It’s unfortunately inevitable at this rate though.
Its not that high a number. Not yet. Their final solution is to kill anyone who is not of use to them which will be a very high number.
I think what’s standing between us today and the bottom of the genocidal slippery slope is the (relatively) free media. There are too many ways to check up on them today. Commercial satellites, FOIA requests, people with smartphones. If ICE were building a death camp or digging mass graves now, we probably would find out.
So it’s important to look at how CBS gave in and how the pentagon restricts coverage in exchange for accreditation - those are your first dead canaries in the news coalmine. When commercial satellites are suddenly forced to blur or not cover ICE camps …
I would be surprised if they hadn’t killed more people in detention already. The aim of ICE is to be state terror, their people are of questionable character, poorly trained or vetted. A duty of care is probably not first and foremost on their mind. There probably is a way to brush some cases under the carpet. Deaths by “natural causes,” “misplaced” death certificates, “corpses” on repatriation flights. The spotlight of public attention needs to be on these motherfuckers constantly.
Possible? Most anything is possible.
Is it happening? No.
Shocking thought. What history has shown us time and time again: a few decades later a couple of mass graves are usually dug up and witnesses back from the day claim: oh, but THAT wasn’t the intention, or: I never witnessed that, or DT was great president at least he DID something.
The way to do that now is to send them abroad to disappear or die. That’s the deflection. Otherwise there are dead bodies in the US and state murder charges with no statute of limitations.
The majority of the deaths are the people that ICE is dropping off in the woods naked.
