Easily demonstrated by many measures: Basics: they poop and don’t need anyone to clean them. They don’t scream when a predator is around because they understand what can happen. They run from predators.
Simple: they can walk and run and find food for themselves at some point to become self sufficient.
Complex: they know who momma is and live in social groups for the most part. They communicate with each other.
Human babies never do any of this, and that has all sorts of ramifications that can be interpreted as funny, sad, or even cruel.
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we never eat babies…ha ha ha! Just pulling your leg. We don’t.
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we never jail babies…ha ha ha! Oh shoot.
Don’t go imagining things, it could hurt. Just think about these things while eating your delicious hamburger. Your burger meat was once smarter than a baby and had as much feelings as a baby does and more including memories. And they were jailed their entire life and were brutally murdered and pushed thru a grinder until they were just pieces of meat.
Human babies are helpless for years. I would not equate the too intelligence.
they poop and don’t need anyone to clean them.
Let a baby walk around naked shitting anywhere and it would be just as “clean”
They don’t scream when a predator is around because they understand what can happen.
The trade off for those early vocalizations is speech…
It’s worth it.
They run from predators.
Their babies don’t, because babies of any species can’t outrun predators…
Like, what the actual fuck is even your point?
None of what you’re saying is even true and there’s a million better ways to promote veganism than this nonsense
I mean, I think they’re saying we should be eating baby animals, right? Because they’re dumber than babies, so therefore completely edible!
It might not really be in the spirit of the post, but it’s because of the brain. They take a lot of power to fuel, so to keep that big brain running, we have to skimp on things like mobility. Babies can be pretty dumb, but, they’ve been learning a LOT. They just can’t tell you about it yet, but they will soon, because unlike the pig, they are listening and they are learning.
Yeah, they are comparing food animals at their best against humans at their worst.
That’s kind of like saying I can do math better than Einstein can because Einstein is dead.
I don’t think lack of intelligence is the reason most people are fine with eating animal meat and not human babies. It’s usually that humans just value animal lives less than that of other humans.
Weird guilt tripping post without any compelling or well thought out arguments.
Thanks my best work thus far in my entire life.
You could’ve had a legit argument… instead, you said they are smart because they don’t have to wipe after they poop?
That’s not intelligence in prey animals. Those are instinctual actions.
So shower thoughts on Lemmy is basically just a rant sub?
Regurgitated tat based on either something someone said yesterday or some YouTuber/tiktokers idiotic musings.
Shower thoughts in general have benn dead a whilst.
I need to bad it as every time I see it, I think oh ffs humanity does not stand a chance.
If we had to explain to a super intelligent and powerful alien why it shouldn’t eat us but eating our animals is okay we’d have a big problem.
I believe for us the “non human” aspect is most important for us and which animals are food and which are pets is a cultural thing. Because any other property besides “non human” would eg allow us to eat dumb or disabled humans or to breed special food races of humans.
We’re gonna have to beg.
prey animals also have adaptations, like precocial birth, which is a fully developed baby that can run at birth useful in areas with alot predators, camoflauge like with deer. Hares have babies that can run at birth while rabbits have altricial babies, like mice and humans they cant do any of this and are helpless.
many food animals would eat a baby
pigs will eat humans. so will many house pets.
I have a dog, and have seen him experience suffering. It breaks my heart to see it happen, and I would never do anything to intentionally cause him to suffer.
Yet by eating beef, pork, and chicken I supported an industry that causes similarly intelligent animals extreme suffering for their entire lives.
I’m a pescatarian for this very reason. And even as a pescatarian, I strive to eat only wild caught fish when I do eat them. I also only eat certified humane eggs, and only buy oat milk or almond milk.
I’m still guilty of eating cheese, but if there was a certified humane cheese option, I would absolutely pay extra for it.
We don’t have to cause all this unnecessary suffering for animals. We can get all of our food from other sources, or take it from animals in a humane way.
but if there was a certified humane cheese option
“Lab grown” dairy already exists and is commercially available for a few specific products. It uses precision fermentation (as opposed to cell cultivation). I’ve had ice cream and sour cream made via this process, though I am not aware of any cheeses produced this way nor am I sure if it is possible with this process because it only creates certain components of dairy.
The world certainly pulls and pushes us in different ways. I don’t eat meat for many reasons including the torture and suffering part. I’m alive and totally fine, but I think there’s definitely a learning curve about the nutrition supplements needed to stay healthy. Anyway I still have some leather belts and shoes. I like art and have unflavored gelatine used in the carbon transfer process. There are a huge number of items in our every day that used to be sentient beings.
I used to have a default Costco chicken and tortillas diet. But one day this idea clicked for me…could I go one week without meat? Nothing about the whole moral thing. Just trying. So did it and I just kept doing it. The first week is definitely the hardest. If most people stopped eating meat, things would be better for everyone… The meat industry, the planet, the animals and you.
I mean I’d eat human meat if it wasn’t illegal, just sayin’
Uh???
I guess my realization is more about just how simple the argument is for not torturing animals.
Like even owning a pet means you took that poor fellow away from its family. We should probably stop owning animals like that.
Like even owning a pet means you took that poor fellow away from its family.
Given that my pets were adopted from animal shelters, I’d like to think that I gave them a significant lifestyle upgrade.
I understand that this is a shower thought, but you can only jail and murder human beings.
but you can only jail and murder human beings.
But you can certainly imprison and kill animals. You are arguing semantics here.
Semantics? Try saying that in a court of law.
Good news: we’re on an internet forum and not in a court of law
Why?
LOL… This just in, the superior court has announced that animals will be put to trial if they commit crimes.
Historically several animals have been put to trial.
Most? Maybe some and what you are describing is cognitive and physical development. Given the lifespan of an animal and human it’s a bit of a bold thought.
Take a look at any house with multiple cats and humans and you should be able to get a good take on differing level of cognitive behaviour…just a good idea to measure your scale of intelligence amongst your domesticated animals.
It’s a shower thought.
You don’t eat your dog or cat unless you happen to be preordained by an orange turd entity. But normal human people don’t eat their cats or dogs because they form some sort of relationship.
When I was a kid my dad raised pigs and chicken. I don’t remember our pigs but I remember the chicken and I used to have a favorite chicken. It was my pet while for my mom and dad it was food. And it became food and I was told about later.
But now, I live in a neighborhood where silence appears to be golden even though we live next to a water airport Kenmore WA. You can’t make noises or the neighbors will quickly complaint. If you had a pig here and you planned to eat it, it would not be acceptable to kill it. It’s a sword with two sharp sides. On the one hand you want to raise your own food, on the other, murdering animals is no longer acceptable even when Everyone eats meat. You can murder thousands of animals… Just not where you live.
What does that mean? How do you learn to kill an animal if you can’t do it in your backyard? How do you become a butcher if you are not allowed at a plant unless you are employed there…simple, if you didn’t go to college and you’re at the end of the rope you go to a butcher shop and they train you. And that’s weird. You allow others to tell you how to murder animals so you can do that for a living to feed people who don’t want to murder animals but like to eat their meat and would not give you specifically a job doing something else.
The whole subject is full of weird twists and points of view. But if you ever lived in a small village and you hear intense pig squeals that end abruptly, you know that later on there will be crunchy pig skin fries. Life, death, and a flavorful meal along with horrific noises and blood everywhere are all connected. To a person, who has been there, done that, the sudden realization of the horror the pig gods thru, is both bothersome and just so evil. I can’t uneat all the animals I’ve eaten. And nutrition, I have my kids eat meat because I think its probably better for them than having some sort of special vitamin supplements.
It’s a deep shower thought.
