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Summary
Police say King Charles’s brother is in custody and officers are carrying out searches at addresses in Berkshire and Norfolk - read the police statement in full
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I wsn’t expecting to develop begrudging respect for England today.
I did not expect this.
Sadly, this proves that even the infamously evil ROYAL FAMILY has more integrity than Trump and our politicians (including Democrats).
Which is fucking terrifying, really. Brace yourselves, keep your chin up, and all of that
Someone on bluesky said that SCOTUS has made American presidents less accountable than British monarchs
I cannot disagree! We can see the effects of “corporations are people” and “money is free speech” all around us.
Every year the corporate dystopia gets more obscene.
Perhaps King Charles has had enough of his sick fuck brother. Slow castration with hot oil is in order and since the UK does not have the death penalty, a dungeon with public viewing is in order.
Funny how I knew it wasn’t in America not because of the name, but because someone in public office went into custody.
Many Democrats have been arrested. The fascist political persecution is already in full swing.
Oh, I see, it’s funny because it’s not true! Ha ha! Ohhhhh
He’s being arrested for sharing official documents. Not the disgusting crimes he committed against children and/or women. It’s not real accountability, it’s theater meant to placate the angry masses.
I read some analysis on this in the guardian, it predicted this would happen, because the police have limited resources and can only follow up one of the two charges. This charge is chosen because there is far more likely to be incontrovertible evidence, probably in the form of paper trails etc. Whereas proving he raped children decades ago relies on witness testimony, which is far easier for his very expensive (taxpayer-funded, mind) lawyers to talk down in court.
If this cunt sees a single day in prison I call that a win.It’s likely all they have sufficient evidence to charge him with in their jurisdiction.
Trump had crates full of official documents in his bathroom and nobody touched him in four years.
theater meant to placate the angry masses
Thousands of years into our civilization and the oldest tricks still work the best. The more things change and all that.
edit: that said, Epstein was almost definitely working as a double-agent between various organizations, maybe a quadruple agent or more, he wasn’t so well-connected and powerful just because he dealt children, he also dealt secrets between superpowers, so just having contact with him as a state official puts a massive spotlight on you as a security risk.
National governments care a lot more about you being a security risk than they do about you hurting kids.
The penalty is mostly fines. Even sharing military secrets in UK is only 2 years. WTF Brits.
OTOH - consider the plight of Manning and Snowden. Perhaps a penalty of 2 years would encourage whistleblowers?
I wonder if he’s finally sweating now.
The grand old Duke of York
he had 12 million quid
He gave it to someone he’d never met
for something he never did
Well actually it was the taxpayer that had 12 million quid, then gave it to a sweaty nonce for some ungodly reason
But tourism or something
glad the queen is rotting in hell
Finally! An arrest!
Meanwhile in america: {crickets, followed by a tumbleweed blowing across a sand covered road}
And that’s after the obese orange child rapist was best friends with Epstein for decades, and has been mentioned many thousands of times, with thousands of pictures, and numerous sexual accusations all in the Epstein files.
The fat cunt could shoot a baby live on TV and no fucker would do a thing about it.Yeah, but have you considered the Dow? The Dow is at 50$… or something.
It’s incredibly conspicuous that Trump hasn’t arrested anyone over this. He’ll take any opportunity to persecute his perceived enemies, and plenty of them are in the files. He sues people over absolutely nothing. It’s weird that not one prosecution has gone down. He’ll probably even pardon Maxwell.
There is more happening on a global level from the findings in the Epstein files then there is in the US. The US just gets tweets and soundbites on the news. The US is a joke.
Especially when the US justice system nailed Bill Cosby and Harvey Weinstein with fewer adult(?) victims.
Sadly, as I understood from a report I saw this morning, it’s not in connection to his pedophilia but to sending highly sensitive gov docs to Epstein which may have been used for financial gain.
And they arrested and imprisoned Al Capone for tax evasion. The important part is they arrested him, and secondly that it was for something related to Epstein. Hopefully the ensuing investigation will cause more details to be revealed and a wider reckoning to occur, but either way, he’s no longer free.
which still comes from the Epstein files right?
But at least he’s been arrested for something
Always has been
As an American I find this confusing to arrest a rich, powerful person on criminal charges.
Because the other rich powerful cunts already decided they don’t care about him
Especially a rich white person
A rich, white, pedophile! Arrested. Have they no respect? What will they do next… tax them?
trump/fElon next please
As a British person that’s something I thought I’d never see.
Arrested on his birthday too.
Arrested on his birthday too.
Love seeing this creep go down.
As an American citizen I’m wildly jealous.
The evidence is right there and we’re the only ones that don’t seem to give a s***.
The late queen’s protection of him was a blemish on her record. I’m happy the king has cut him loose to face consequences… I wonder if they asked him before the arrest…
Almost certainly; Andrew lives on Charles’ private estate.
Blame Queen Elizabeth. She was more interested in preserving the monarchy than Andrew’s victims. There has to be a better way to promote tourism.
I’m not British but I’m also very surprised. I can’t help but wonder if they would have dared had he still had his title?
on his birthday too.
The cops took the phrase “the icing on the cake” literally, and I think it was an excellent choice.
I can’t help but wonder if they would have dared had he still had his title?
I would assume that the king and other interested parties will have known this was coming for a while and that is why he lost his title.
Maybe, I’m not so sure. I had thought they knew it was very likely the accusations were true, but they spent a lot of time sidestepping action. If public criticism hadn’t been so relentless, they might have been content to sweep it under the rug, as is tradition.
But I have never kept close track of the royal family, largely because I always assumed they were untouchable.
they spent a lot of time sidestepping action
That’s sort of my point though, they spent years protecting him and then suddenly a few months ago something made them turn on a dime and strip him of his titles very rapidly. I suspect that “something” was being told the police had enough evidence to arrest him.
That’s fair. At the time I thought it might be because they were struggling to deal with both the Andrew situation and the Harry drama simultaneously, while Charles was generally more unpopular than his mother, and likely ill.
But if they privately found out something that made the Andrew situation untenable, it makes sense that they would try to distance that ASAP. I wonder whether it’s something that has been released already or is even worse.
Charles’ statement today on “we support the police”, plus letting them search The Lodge, definitely feels like they’re leaving him to rot. At least maybe a little.
Someone asked Ernest Hemingway how he lost all his money.
“Gradually, then all at once.”
Same situation. One person says something and it’s dismissed. Ten people say it and it becomes gossip fodder. A hundred people say it and it becomes an open secret. A million people say it and he gets arrested.
I wonder if the one that defected with his wife to california had something to do with all of this too, and not just snobbery to his new wife.
I would assume that he’d have more cover as a royal in the UK than as an immigrant in the US. Unless you were saying that he left the royal family in disgust for doing things like cleaning up for Andrew for so long, which I realize now was probably what you intended, but I’ll post this anyway in case someone else gets confused too.
Charles has always hated and envied Andrew. He removed him from Royal duties as soon as he had the power to do so.
What did he envy him for?
Charles has a complex that his parents never loved him, and merely bred him to be Sovereign. It’s why he still refuses to move in to Buckingham Palace. Andrew was unquestionably Elizabeth’s favourite child, with his frequent failures and bankruptcies excused and waved away.
Meanwhile, Charles believes he was forced into an arranged marriage, and when that failed he was forbidden to marry the person he had always loved, with the Queen even refusing to be in the same building for a long time, despite the requirement for an heir and a spare already having been settled.
Andrew was allowed to saddle the family with Fergie without consequence. But Fergie is an entertaining grifter, while Camilla is known as the “laziest woman in England” by her friends, so it’s not surprising she never got on with someone so duty-bound as Elizabeth.
You do not know these people. This is knitting circle talk. Charles removed Andrew because of Epstein and other local infractions, as well as knowledge of him sharing state secrets.
This is detailed in Tom Bower’s thoroughly researched book.
The law wanted to send a clear message, just 25 years too late.
Arrested on his birthday too
surprise muthafucka
Got to have a couple of examples of the rich and powerful going away for their crimes so the plebs don’t realise how stacked against them the system really is.
HOLY CRAP IT’S REAL.
I didn’t believe it when I first saw it. FUCKING AWESOME.
over the alleged sharing of confidential material by the former prince with late sex offender Jeffrey Epstein
Really? Not because he’s a sex offender himself maybe? I’m happy to see an arrest, but fucking really!?
Because even in the Epstein files most people aren’t saying “ay Jeff, cheers for the fifteen year-old lasses we all shagged, see you next time,” but they are saying “here are the minutes of the cabinet meeting/this is what the prime minister thinks about regulating your company/this is the most he’s willing to give you a tax break for” in emails because that stuff had to be communicated somehow.
We can all see that Andrew probably committed some sex crimes. But being a suspicious creepy fucker, being accused, and having a photo of you crouching over a girl would not be enough evidence to get you or me charged with a crime either. The counterweight to “nobody is above the law” is “nobody shall be convicted except on the evidence.”
Yes, sadly, this will be about selling state secrets, not pedophilia. Of course, Trump did the same thing out of Maralago.
It’s sad that all too often there is insufficient evidence to charge people with sexual crimes, but he’s being charged with a very serious crime for which there apparently is sufficient evidence. It’s no competition, but betraying your country causes small amounts of harm to millions of people, which is not less important than causing extreme harm to a small number of people.
CPS generally charges what they can reasonably prove.
*and since he’s high profile I expect (hope) they aren’t going to fuck it up. get him for something like this, maybe it opens the doors to further charges. Anyway, living in hope.
We can hope Mandelson is next, he shared information with Epstein too if I recall.
They never go down for their worst crimes. Usually they are guilty of horrible things, killing people with greed and knowing lies, but get taken down with sex scandals. So when it’s an actual sex scandal I’m not surprised it’s some other thing.
I think because other connected people don’t want to be implicated, so they make sure the person is convicted on something unrelated and use their influence to keep the charges off the larger issue perhaps. Never more true than with this case, they are all implicated. Who is they? Every swell in the US and UK apparently. Just presume anyone in the US that went to the ivy league and was in a private club hung out with epstein. (Private clubs started after civil rights triumphed, when they had to start taking in deserving poor and minorities, they started the clubs to differentiate between the aristocracy that almost exclusively runs our business and government, and the dirty charity cases.)
Across the pond, whenever they’d get a big Mafia don, usually it wasn’t because of all the bodies in the river wearing concrete shoes. Usually, it was due to unpaid taxes or some white-collar bullshit. I guess they take what they can get?
They probably have to start small, it’s unprecedented territory, and they’d want the proper charges to stick. I expect this also opens up the door to evidence gathering for the bigger charges.
Unfortunately, I fear most of the fallout from this will be that we “know” what some people did, but few will actually be held legally responsible. There’s the bar of proof that satisfies the public (the “sniff test?”), and what’s required for a conviction in court. In the end, any punishment is better than none. One up side could be that, because of what the public “knows” happened, those that are punished will hopefully be unlikely to see any lenience in sentencing. Not hopeful after seeing Maxwell’s treatment, but early days.
There has been a significant development in that case, so that’s what they’re investigating.
Republicanists (no relation to the rotten GOP) are going to have a field day today.
It’s on the Beeb. Full throttle. https://inv.nadeko.net/watch?v=M5I5ATQy6zk
It does somewhat undermine their claims that the Royals are above the law
Charles is. The CPS prosecutes in his name.
None of the others are though.
Andrew is not a royal. Charles had to remove his title.
Thats seperate. Only the Sovereign is “above the law” and that in effect just means Parliament would hold the trial rather than the judiciary.
I think it helps that his mother, of whom he was the favourite child is dead and can’t protect him anymore.
Hang the childfuckers high! As per law with due process obviously, and yes I know they don’t have the death penalty which I do not support generally because we can’t trust authorities to get the right people let alone to decide who should be executed.
Still though, send this guy to like a penal colony on some island north of scotland or something, building sea bird habitat on bread and water rations.
He been arrested for misconduct whilst in public office, so not for being a nonce. It’s for sharing information.
They can lay additional charges later. This just gets him in the system.
For sharing information about adults fucking children?
No
He’s only 66?! Damn, he looks 80.
He’s been holding all that sweat in, makes you get puffy and age faster.
The Falklands war took a heavy toll on his physical and mental health.
One of his jobs as chopper pilot was to hover near ships, to use himself as a decoy to lure away heatseeker missiles. Enough to age anyone.
