Steam Support :: About the New York Attorney General lawsuit against Valve
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Official statement from Valve.

We shared with the NYAG that these types of boxes in our games are widely used, not just in video games but in the tangible world as well, where generations have grown up opening baseball card packs and blind boxes and bags, and then trading and selling the items they receive.

You’re right! We should stop that too!

  • nous@programming.devEnglish
    37·
    4 hours ago

    Valve needs to win this. Or at least stop this part:

    The NYAG also proposed to gather additional information (beyond what we normally collect in the course of processing payments) about each game user on the off-chance someone in New York was anonymizing their location to appear outside of New York, such as by using a VPN. This would have involved implementing invasive technologies for every user worldwide. Similarly, the NYAG demanded that Valve collect more personal data about our users to do additional age verification—even though most payment methods used by New York Steam users already have age verification built-in. Valve knows our users care about the security of their personal information, and we believe it’s in our and their interest to only collect the information necessary to operate the business and comply with law.

    Loot boxes are overall bad for users and should be regulated. But not by getting valve to collect personal information on everyone in the world.

    • ampersandrew@lemmy.worldOPEnglish
      61·
      4 hours ago

      I’m not a lawyer, and even having perused the official filing, it’s still legalese that I can’t swear I fully understand. There are two possibilities of what NY state actually wants:

      1. just stop selling loot boxes
      2. you can sell loot boxes, but only if you’ve verified that your customers are of legal gambling age

      And I don’t know for sure which is true. Of course it’s in Valve’s best interests to represent this to their customers as the government trying to violate your freedoms, because it gets the public on their side. Remember the Epic case against Apple, where Epic knowingly broke a contract with Apple allowing in-game purchases to cut Apple out, then they had a trailer parodying the 1984 Apple ad to garner public support with “Free Fortnite” ready to go.

      • HarkMahlberg@kbin.earth
        51·
        2 hours ago

        Yeah people don’t seem to get that Valve has a vested interest in getting you to agree to their narrative.

    • Grimy@lemmy.worldEnglish
      2·
      3 hours ago

      These are two different things. You don’t need to let valve sell loot boxes to stop new York from implementing mass surveillance.