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    This memes community should be named 'Wannabe Activitists"

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      You don’t. If you live where cars are not needed, e.g. Tokyo, you’ll just walk to your nearest small grocer and get the ingredients you need. That’s what I did when I stayed in Japan for work.

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        Thankfully, my little corner store will remain open during floods and other natural disasters as well as pandemics and such. So it will never be necessary for me to have more than 24 hours worth of food in my house.

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        So you have to essentially grocery shop before every meal? That doesn’t sound super efficient. Especially when cooking for a family.

        This also still doesn’t help with throwing like a big party where you need a large amount of food.

        Edit: So yes, all the responses are basically shop every day. I wish I had that kinda time.

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          Just walk in to the local shop on your way to/from wherever else you’re going (or just to get out of the house for two minutes if you’ve been working from home) … that way you can have fresh ingredients every day, and you’re walking a bit regularly so you don’t get overweight easily

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          I used to buy ingredients for my meals every second day while living in Europe. Always what I wanted or was on sale. No meal planning for the week and making a huge order / weekend mall spree.

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          It’s super simple. You stop there on your way home. When I was in Berlin, I would generally hit up the grocery store a few times a week. I did not have to worry about produce going bad because it would be used with one of my meals on the next couple of days.

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      The reason you haul entire shopping carts at once is because the trip to the grocery store is a big planned deal. That’s also the reason people buy bulk items and then let half of them expire.

      The “ideal” for bikers and train riders would be easier, quicker trips to small stores to get ingredients for the next few days. I find I’m able to fit most of my needs into one pannier.

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      I’ve done that. You just bring something appropriate to carry it in.

      Although now that I live closer to a smaller grocer, I just walk twice.

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      Three or four bags of groceries is totally doable on a bus or train.

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        Two weeks worth of shopping for a family would be a lot more than three or four bags.

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          A week’s worth for my family of four is generally two bags. Shopping for more than that just leaves a bunch of rotten produce.

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      Buses where I live have a cargo rack at the front. If you had four bags of shopping (though that’s really quite a lot - the bags are big) you would tie the tops closed and leave them in one of the racks until you reached your destination

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        If you had four bags of shopping (though that’s really quite a lot - the bags are big) you would tie the tops closed and leave them in one of the racks until you reached your destination

        Along with the 75 other passengers doing the same thing?

        And what if it’s paper goods and raining like fuck?

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          1. It’s rare that more than three people on a bus are doing shopping

          2. Carry an umbrella, and isn’t everything wrapped in plastic now?

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      This is ok though, going once per 14days for that 90% of stuff and having your car for that is ok. Otherwise if you run out of something, hop to your nearest store. Also here some of my friends and family are not reachable via public transport so I use car for that. But dont use it for commute every day, going to the beach/mountains every weekend, going to the store every other day, taking kids to school and back etc. For many this is completely doable but people are lazy

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      Grocery delivery is quick and cheap to 99% of UK. Also I’ve been on a bus plenty of times with enough shopping to last two humans a week.

      Problem is the people who have 5 mouths to feed and want enough food for 3 weeks. In that case, get a delivery

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          Take a few seconds to think before replying.

          What’s better, 30 deliveries in 1 van or 30 deliveries in 30 cars?

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            Okay but this isn’t what happens. When using services like instacart they will batch only maybe two or three orders in a car. Unless there are other services that I’m not aware of that will batch more?

            I don’t think grocery translates well to mass delivery because it increases rates of spoilage and damaged produce.

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              I live in UK and all the major supermarkets do 20-50 deliveries in one fully refrigerated van. You do have to book it a couple of days in advance but that’s the cost of the service, obviously you can get Uber and deliveroo instant deliveries but that’s dumb as fuck.

              This is clearly a culture difference between where I live and wherever you live (please share that info)

              But yes it’s EXACTLY how it works in most of Europe.

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      In civilized countries, it’s common. Even on bicycles, by the way.

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    Am from Germany and went to Nuremburg to visit a convention.
    The public transit is night and day between those two places.
    Only had to wait about <10min for the next bus.
    I believe the accomodation is not very outside or inside of the transit serving area but it is surprising what a subway and a good schedule can do for one.

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    “Stop driving cars because places were not supposed to be driven to.” Wow that’s a good point /s

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      You are allowed hate something you own and depend on. What I find fuck cars people are about is how much cars are catered for and it’s still horrible to use in a lot of places.

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        absolutely.

        Normally I live in a, relatively speaking, new city - and everything is so bloody far away, sure some things are more centralised but plenty of things are getting built in places with no public transport connections or an easy way to walk to.

        For 3 years at uni I lived in a very old town, and everything, just everything, was in the town centre, you could walk everywhere with no issues.

        The difference is one place was built for people, and the other was built for cars.

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          I live in a third world country and have to usually have to take taxis to get anywhere without being a sweaty mess and I’d love to the point where public transportation can get you anywhere in the metro, similar to how Hong Kong (where income taxes are pretty low as far as I know) does it.

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      A lot. Because our infrastructure and zoning basically demand you buy a car. That’s not the point. The point is to advocate change through local government.

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      I wonder how many fuck cars people will buy a car when they finally graduate and get a job and realise they want 1 hr 30 commuting every day instead of 3 hours?

      My wife and I own two cars and live outside the most urban parts of our city. I actually love cars, especially when I get to drive a standard transmission. But we both are firmly in the FuckCars camp.

      We walk, bike, and use public transit when we can, and we vote to improve the pedestrian infrastructure in our area whenever we can. We love vacationing in places with good public transit, and would live in such places if circumstances allowed.

      Part of the frustration in the FuckCars community is the very thing you said in your post. Cities are built around cars, which means every other form of commuting is secondary and therefore worse than it could be. This is what we want to change. Build cities around people. Get rid of massive parking lots, dangerous stroads, etc. If people need cars to get from city to city, or outside of cities, totally fine. But they shouldn’t be necessary for day-to-day in populated areas.

      Cities could be so much better, and we know this because there ARE cities that are better. It just takes effort and time.

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        Cities could be so much better, and we know this because there ARE cities that are better. It just takes effort and time.

        And eminent domain, to take the land to build that infrastructure. And money. Lots and lots of money. And way more time than you think. Effectively having to level homes for miles, grade the surface and then, finally getting to build this utopian vision of public transportation, which will then need to be fed, sorry, maintained, by taxes that will shoot through the roof. Then, the displaced will need a place to stay, so enter yet more eminent domain to take more property to build vertical, because there is a finite amount of land. And this would be jn just one small to mid sized US city.

        Look, I’m happy for anyone who’s happy in how they do their daily. You chose it, and it works for you. Some people don’t chose that life, and it doesn’t work for them. I respect your way of life, it should only be fair that you respect mine. I’m not driving a 3500 turbo diesel that gets 12 gallons to the mile, stomping on the gas “just because I like the sound” and throwing cheeseburger wrappers out the window.

        Difference is, I’m not trying to force my way of life on others…

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          Infinite money if we want to do it immediately. Don’t be so defeatist. Changing hearts, minds, and infrastructure is not immediate.

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              There are plenty of good solutions. Just because you’re only hearing the very valid complaints doesn’t mean solutions don’t exist. They just aren’t going to be easy or immediate. Life doesn’t work that way.

              Cars are indeed here to stay. But we can make cities much better over time.

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                  I believe I did mention cars as valuable for use outside of cities. I live in the US, cars are an absolute necessity outside of major population centers.

                  Even so, cities are better when cars are unnecessary within them. CAPABLE, but unnecessary.

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          You don’t have to give up personal transportation to build public transportation. Are you high? And no, it does not take infinite money. How the fuck do you think that they’re are cities who have already implemented decent public transportation got them? They certainly did not have infinite money.

          Are you always this defeatist?

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      let me translate what you just asked

      I wonder how many people will be forced to buy a car to be able to function in society even though they hate the idea owning a car and in any other developed nation they could go car free in an equivalent city because they have better public transport and/or bike infrastructure

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      I’m in Germany. That’s how long it takes with the trains to get to my Workplace. And I still rather work from Home because I don’t have to travel 3 to 4 hours a day.

      Holy shit you guys have bad infrastructure. Even worse than ours.

      I also generally rather use the train despite its problems. Especially when I’m not sure if I will be drinking or taking other drugs.

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        Not really, the images and travel descriptions you’re reading here are the exception, not the rule. The US has great infrastructure, just not for public transportation as there isn’t enough centralized usage and the locations are far apart. It would take me 4 hours to go to work by bus, but it takes me 25 min by car.

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          That sounds like it’s a vicious cycle. There isn’t any public transport so there are no people using the public transport which causes public transports to be bad, so there isn’t anybody using it

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            It is to a point, but when you reach that point it’s just not feasible to have public transportation. The city I work in has a light rail train, it has a robust busing system, but people also travel from 20+ different small towns around this one and at a certain point that system breaks down. If I were to take the bus I would still need a car to get to the next small town where the bus stop into the large town is.

            The fact is that the most of the US isn’t designed like old world cities which were built with public transportation and foot traffic in mind.

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          That’s simply poor route planning, which could be solved by better bus funding, leading to more buses with more stops and more frequent trips.

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          “great infrastructure, just not for public transportation” sounds to me like another way to say “shit infrastructure”

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            Infrastructure can apply to different things, you can have great infrastructure for cars, but not trains. You can have well maintained power lines, but poor internet connectivity. You can have a robust water utility, but a mixed storm and sewer system.

            If you’re gonna point out one bad part of infrastructure and say all of it’s bad then idk what to say for you.

            You can go from London to Edinburgh by car (412 miles) in 7.5 hrs or by train in 5.5 hrs.

            You can go from Richmond to Charleston by car (432 miles) in 6 hours or by train in 13.25 hrs.

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          Because you behave like a brainless, witless worm, which is much rarer in Europe

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      Ah, yes. Minimizing other people’s arguments by implying they don’t have jobs.

      This is a bad comment that you should probably delete.

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          Cool. I’ve been working for 8 years, commuting in the range of 10-15 km to my various places of work throughout that period, with the exception of the pandemic period during which I worked remotely.

          Not once have I driven a car to any of my jobs. A mix of public transportation and cycling has covered all of my needs, and I wouldn’t have saved any time by opting to drive.

          This invalidates this terrible comment, so let’s not keep repeating.

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      Yeah, no. I have a car and I hate driving it. I hate others having cars and driving them. I hate public transport being ignored over car infrastructure leaving them completely impractical. I hate our cities being ruined in order to work around cars, when metros are underground, and trains are overground but take way less space since they can take in way more people and transfer them way faster. I hate car accidents being one of the leading causes of death in my country. Fuck cars

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      These people are ridiculous. They want to gaslight people who have to drive into thinking we’re bad people and when we call them out on the fact that there is no public transit infrastructure built they’re just like “well all people have to do is build the infrastructure!” Bitch where? And who? And how do we make them? And with what money? I’m so sick of hearing “you should drive a smart car because it makes sense for my DINK ass and I know what’s best”. My home is in an ocean of suburbia. They gonna just bulldoze a whole swath of homes to install a rail? They’ve been talking about installing a rail from DFW to Austin/Houston for the past 40 years and there was even room for it once upon a time. You can’t just say the magical solution is to just “build trains”. We don’t love our cars, these fuckcars people are just lunatics. As you point out the vast majority of them are almost certainly children. The rest are fortunate enough to have never experienced a place with poor public transit.

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      I didn’t. Even when I lived an hour away from my job, it was about as fast by train as driving, and I could spend that time productively or relaxing instead of concentrating on.

      If it takes twice as long without a car, that’s a problem that should be solved!

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      You’re a moron that never heard about other countries existing. It’s okay, you’ll probably learn about them when you enroll for 1st grade.

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      I’m 46, the parts of my life where I haven’t needed to use a car every day have been great for my physical and mental health … now I live too far from work I use a little 125 motorbike to commute, and it’s still much nicer than having to take a car. When I am forced to take a car, the one I have is small and economical.

      I didn’t start figuring this out until I was 30, maybe you need a few more years to mature enough to throw off the consumerist mindset?

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      My city was designed to be driven to. It was built after cars were common

      But it’s still quicker to get from suburbia to city by bike than bus, but car is quicker still

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      Traffic engineering isn’t a university program and we’re still using studies from the 50’s to dictate our traffic engineering. It’s civil engineers in NA who are forced to follow outdated policy which maximizes for car traffic flow, regardless of body count or overall flow of poeple across all transit options. Generally, city planners are all for public transit and walkable and bike able cities but have to battle with politicians appealing to suburbanites with cars.

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        I don’t understand why this is such a hard thing for people and government to understand. Your car isn’t going to a place, you and the stuff you need to carry are. The car is just the means and there are many other means to do so, they just get a lot less attention and funding. Cars and traffic infrastructure have been subsidised for over a century now. Of course cars more developed, and of course we build our cities for cars, we’re socializing cars.

        Yes, there are many areas that have been developed so car focused that it’s a necessity to own a car. People living in rural areas will always need personal cars. People in urban and suburban areas probably don’t and should give up their personal vehicles so Farmer can keep theirs.

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    PLACES WERE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE DRIVEN TO

    Says who? Is there some natural law when the universe was created that said mankind are not allowed to drive?

    YEARS OF BUILDING CAR INFRASTRUCTURE yet NO DECREASE IN OVERALL TRAVEL TIME

    Ok you go and set off on foot on a 200km journey, and a car sets off at the same time to get to the same place, who will get there first?

    Want to go somewhere fast? We have a vehicle for that; It’s called a “TRAIN”

    Trains are great at moving people / goods between urban areas, but are awful (obviously) for point-to-point journeys. Want to the doctors fast? Can’t exactly get on the the train directly outside your house to the front door of the doctors. I like trains, I use them where I can and always use them whenever I go into the office, but you cannot seriously suggest using trains to totally replace cars, it’s so ridiculous that I’d swear you’ve never even seen one.

    “i am DRIVING my…”

    Not sure what’s deranged about it? In fact that case is very valid as you’re likely to have a lot of shopping (two weeks worth) that you’d really struggle to carry on public transport. It might have a bit more authenticity if you said it was just to get some bread and milk.


    I get the sentiment, we should totally be trying to reduce our car usage and planning our urban environments to favour walking, cycling and public transport, but the fuckcars community on here are totally deranged. Your arguments look ridiculous and aren’t going to convince anyone.

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      There does seem to be a high proportion of city dwellers wondering why somebody who lives four miles from the nearest shop that sells something more substantial than Budweiser and crisps would need a car…

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        Was there ever any doubt that people who dislike cars live in walkable cities? They can’t conceive that someone could live in another place that doesn’t have the same infrastructure they do. The idea of being out in the middle of nowhere with 40 acres of land doesn’t even cross their minds because to them everyone lives in an urban environment or should be able to make the same solutions work.

        It’s also weird that they classify getting groceries for two weeks as strange, like do you guys not have natural disasters? You just buy groceries for the next day? What do you do when the shelves go bare during things like Covid or a hurricane? I guess you turn into looters, since you apparently think planning for anything beyond the next day is “deranged.” God forbid someone has some extra rice and beans to get through a period of logistics failure.

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    Cool lemme just build a train really quick to my work, great idea

    Like I get what this is saying and all, and I will vote for anyone who supports this kind of thing, but telling me not to drive my car is not the solution.

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    Yet again, this is not a meme. This is an idealogical pamphlet. I don’t even disagree with the message. But it’s not a meme.

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      Also, the ideology I agree with but I swear these “memes” are made by the deranged. It’s the kind of handwritten scrawl you expect to see taped to lampposts by the guy who wanders around with empty tincans cellotaped to his patchwork hat

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    I love how people just come up with this shit with their knowledge of their local area. Any train here requires driving to, and does not come and go frequently, and takes longer. Our infra is terrible.

    On the flip side, some places have awesome infra and I wish I had that. I’d prefer to pedal bike if I could. But where I’m at you’re very likely to be killed without bike lanes or sidewalks, and it would take hours to get anywhere important - IE work.

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      Also mobility issues factor in. There is no better way for such people to get around. This anti-car movement is ableist.

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        How many cars have you seen with step-free access?

        And besides, surely there exist no disabilities that inhibit people’s ability to operate a vehicle like a car, right?