• moustachio@lemmy.world
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    2 months ago

    AI apologists in the wild are so weird.

    LLMs in current form are protested because they’re a worthless “technology” that also wastes a fuck ton of resources so the ruling class can do IP theft at scale.

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      Meat apoligists are also weird, just saying. Meat Production is way worse than AI. Lots of animals are sufferint and it’s very bad for the enviornment.

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            Global South doesn’t eat enough meat. Let’s get rid of first worlders being fat and lazy, and distribute the food to all countries equally, then talk about meat consumption.

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              What do you mean by “eat enough meat”? Humans don’t have a biological need to eat meat, so by definition technically everyone has “enough” meat. If you just mean in terms of fairness then sure, the global south should get a bigger share of resources, that’s clear.

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                How the fuck can we get enough protein without eating enough meat? People in global south do not only suffer from calorie deficiency but also protein deficiency, which is related to meat (red or white) and dairy usage.

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                    Maybe for first worlders who can be vegetarians because they like the identity, people who are malnourished need adequate resources, and a diet with meat and dairy is the most efficient way for a large population, at the moment.

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                  /s? Because through like… every other abundant source of protein. We actually eat way, way too much protein on average, which your body has to just filter out. It does you no good and just overworks your liver.

                  Soy, rice, beans, legumes, and many other foods provide abundant protein.

                  If you want to worry about not getting enough of something, focus on fiber.

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      I love that you’re saying they’re worthless, and at the same time the ruling class is using them effectively to do something.

      It’s a great argument.

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      Why does everyone jump to AI? A gigantic portion of data centers power streaming services, cloud hosting, and content delivery networks / caching services.

      I understand the sentiment against the proliferation of data centers and the impact they have on the local environment but services people consume on the regular have driven this for years now.

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        This is exactly my point, people aren’t using their brains with their anti-AI arguments. They’re very emotional responses rather than actual problems.

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        Because those services are actually useful. LLMs are just plagiarism machines. The only way they are remotely useful is because they “saved” a lot of money by stealing all the data on the internet. And even then, they have to operate at a huge loss. They’re also stealing from everyone by getting government subsidies and by ignoring environmental laws.

        Remember, just because data is on the internet, it doesn’t mean it doesn’t have an owner.

        If billionaires played by everyone’s rules and had to operate with profit, LLMs would be so incredibly expensive that no one would use them. They only seem remotely useful because basically all of society is footing part of the bill.

        For the other services provided for data centers, whoever uses them does pay them, and it’s not expensive. You don’t need 5GW to serve a 30 minute video.