Pro-Palestine demonstration outside White House draws thousands from many ethnicities and religions, including Arabs, Asians, Latinos, African-Americans and others.
Is that why they beheaded babies, paraded naked women before/after raping/killing them, targeted civilian congregations and killed them without warning? Wait.
The Hamas attacks were barbaric and horrific. Israel giving 1 million+ people 24 hours to leave or risk being destroyed in a bombing campaign while cutting off access to food, water, and fuel is barbaric and horrific. There is such thing as nuance, but it doesn’t take very much critical thinking to recognize that both Israel and Hamas are commiting atrocities.
I don’t know if you noticed but it’s been more than 24 hours since they said that and they’re still letting them evacuate. Time to retire that talking point.
Sure. Except “letting them evacuate” in this case is better characterized as “continuing to expel them from their homes under threat of violence.” I’m not arguing the 24 hour time period is the atrocity, I’m arguing the act of creating a humanitarian crisis under the auspices of a military campaign effort is abhorrent.
It’s not like we don’t have any good reporting on the matter either. The BBC for example has already been attacked because they refused to declare Hamas as terrorists (a label I agree with, for the record). [This article](BBC News - Khan Younis: A Gaza city on its knees, now with a million mouths to feed https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-67116403) provides some insight into the absolute horror regular Palestinians are going through right now.
Two wrongs don’t make a right. Both sides have done wrong. Isreal has attacked ambulances unprovoked. Hamas attacked Isreal at a music fest. Isreal retaliated by attacking schools and hospitals (aka, people that had nothing to do with said attack) Isreal has been subjugating Gaza to sub-human conditions for 20+ years. The attack on the music fest isn’t justified but it is understandable.
They are justified in making sure such an atrocity does not repeat. They owe that to their people.
They are not justified for randomly killing innocent people. Sadly, Hamas uses them as meat shields, so there is not going up be a way to avoid that. That blood is in Hamas hands. But they have to try to minimize it. Which they at least seem to do with roof knocking, telling them to leave etc.
If you murder me then go into hiding should the state execute you’re entire family because someone needs punished to ensure it doesn’t happen again?
Roof knocking my hole, they told Palestinian people what street to evacuate on and then killed like 150 people who tried to evacuate using that road. Never mind them bombing Gaza’s borders so they can’t escape that way and caused shells to fall on other sovereign nations which started returning fire, escalating this whole shitfest even further.
Woah if you didn’t include the two item, one cannot and refused to be confirmed to the point that White House have to issue a statement saying they just “heard” from the Israel Authority, and one you’re so undecided which is which, i’d thought you’re talking about Israel.
Is that why they beheaded babies, paraded naked women before/after raping/killing them, targeted civilian congregations and killed them without warning? Wait.
The Hamas attacks were barbaric and horrific. Israel giving 1 million+ people 24 hours to leave or risk being destroyed in a bombing campaign while cutting off access to food, water, and fuel is barbaric and horrific. There is such thing as nuance, but it doesn’t take very much critical thinking to recognize that both Israel and Hamas are commiting atrocities.
I don’t know if you noticed but it’s been more than 24 hours since they said that and they’re still letting them evacuate. Time to retire that talking point.
Sure. Except “letting them evacuate” in this case is better characterized as “continuing to expel them from their homes under threat of violence.” I’m not arguing the 24 hour time period is the atrocity, I’m arguing the act of creating a humanitarian crisis under the auspices of a military campaign effort is abhorrent.
It’s not like we don’t have any good reporting on the matter either. The BBC for example has already been attacked because they refused to declare Hamas as terrorists (a label I agree with, for the record). [This article](BBC News - Khan Younis: A Gaza city on its knees, now with a million mouths to feed
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-67116403) provides some insight into the absolute horror regular Palestinians are going through right now.
When Israel declared war, what do you think that meant exactly?
It meant they’re gonna finish their 60 year genocide, duh.
Two wrongs don’t make a right. Both sides have done wrong. Isreal has attacked ambulances unprovoked. Hamas attacked Isreal at a music fest. Isreal retaliated by attacking schools and hospitals (aka, people that had nothing to do with said attack) Isreal has been subjugating Gaza to sub-human conditions for 20+ years. The attack on the music fest isn’t justified but it is understandable.
Again. Two wrongs don’t make a right.
Hamas launches their rockets from random roofs, stores the rockets in schools and hospitals. The blood is on Hamas hands.
Still shit when innocent people get hit, no question. Israel has their fare share of atrocities, so no need to “give” them some of Hamas shit.
Israeli official says government cannot confirm babies were beheaded … - CNN https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/10/12/middleeast/israel-hamas-beheading-claims-intl/index.html
You are falling for the propaganda friend.
Propaganda? Have you not seem the videos?
Which videos? I have seen the pictures they were trying to use to justify beheaded babies.
Spoiler alert, no beheaded babies!
What about parading dead, innocent people through town and cheering for it?
Do you want to see crispy, burned babies? Together with their parents? Do you think they did not commit absolutely fucked up atrocities?
Those are awful. But, you should remove “beheading babies” as there’s been no proof of that and you lose a little legitimacy saying it.
I did not say that. But given what I have seen, including beheadings, I have no doubt it happened to babies too.
Thought you were the top-level commenter, sorry.
Those are fucked up things that I completely denounce.
Fuck Hamas and fuck Israel.
My only support is for all the innocents involved.
That is a good stance. We can agree on all of that.
If I kill someone are you justified in killing innocents?
They are justified in making sure such an atrocity does not repeat. They owe that to their people.
They are not justified for randomly killing innocent people. Sadly, Hamas uses them as meat shields, so there is not going up be a way to avoid that. That blood is in Hamas hands. But they have to try to minimize it. Which they at least seem to do with roof knocking, telling them to leave etc.
Also, what about that propaganda now?
Just because someone does something wrong doesn’t mean someone else should.
I just don’t understand why I keep having to explain this to people.
Am I justified in killing a person to hurt the person holding them hostage?
If you murder me then go into hiding should the state execute you’re entire family because someone needs punished to ensure it doesn’t happen again?
Roof knocking my hole, they told Palestinian people what street to evacuate on and then killed like 150 people who tried to evacuate using that road. Never mind them bombing Gaza’s borders so they can’t escape that way and caused shells to fall on other sovereign nations which started returning fire, escalating this whole shitfest even further.
I don’t think any babies were beheaded
Seems that one might be a mistake. But the rest isn’t, instead they did things like tie children and then shoot them.
That’s not what was confirmed. Not all of the 40 murdered babies (from one village) were beheaded. At least one was.
oh? do you have a reliable source for that?
The original source i24 didn’t claim 40 beheadings. It claimed 40 deaths some beheadings.
so how many children do you have proof were beheaded
Woah if you didn’t include the two item, one cannot and refused to be confirmed to the point that White House have to issue a statement saying they just “heard” from the Israel Authority, and one you’re so undecided which is which, i’d thought you’re talking about Israel.
Israel parades dead people, let alone innocent ones, through town with a cheering crowd?
She is still alive.
The girl paraded on a truck lying motionless, her face down, with her legs completely mangled up, while kids were spitting on her?
https://www.indiatoday.in/world/story/german-woman-paraded-naked-hamas-terrorists-alive-mother-claims-israel-hama-war-2447302-2023-10-11
From her mother. But it won:t be long because, as we all know, Gaza is being bombed indiscriminately.
Hey, she wan’t alive after all…
https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-770787
Yeah 😢
That’s a relief, despite her current state. I really hope she gets sent back home asap