• nieceandtows@lemmy.world
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    11 months ago

    Is that why they beheaded babies, paraded naked women before/after raping/killing them, targeted civilian congregations and killed them without warning? Wait.

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      11 months ago

      The Hamas attacks were barbaric and horrific. Israel giving 1 million+ people 24 hours to leave or risk being destroyed in a bombing campaign while cutting off access to food, water, and fuel is barbaric and horrific. There is such thing as nuance, but it doesn’t take very much critical thinking to recognize that both Israel and Hamas are commiting atrocities.

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        11 months ago

        I don’t know if you noticed but it’s been more than 24 hours since they said that and they’re still letting them evacuate. Time to retire that talking point.

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          11 months ago

          Sure. Except “letting them evacuate” in this case is better characterized as “continuing to expel them from their homes under threat of violence.” I’m not arguing the 24 hour time period is the atrocity, I’m arguing the act of creating a humanitarian crisis under the auspices of a military campaign effort is abhorrent.

          It’s not like we don’t have any good reporting on the matter either. The BBC for example has already been attacked because they refused to declare Hamas as terrorists (a label I agree with, for the record). [This article](BBC News - Khan Younis: A Gaza city on its knees, now with a million mouths to feed
          https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-67116403) provides some insight into the absolute horror regular Palestinians are going through right now.

      • Tygr@lemmy.world
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        11 months ago

        When Israel declared war, what do you think that meant exactly?

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      11 months ago

      Two wrongs don’t make a right. Both sides have done wrong. Isreal has attacked ambulances unprovoked. Hamas attacked Isreal at a music fest. Isreal retaliated by attacking schools and hospitals (aka, people that had nothing to do with said attack) Isreal has been subjugating Gaza to sub-human conditions for 20+ years. The attack on the music fest isn’t justified but it is understandable.

      Again. Two wrongs don’t make a right.

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        11 months ago

        Hamas launches their rockets from random roofs, stores the rockets in schools and hospitals. The blood is on Hamas hands.

        Still shit when innocent people get hit, no question. Israel has their fare share of atrocities, so no need to “give” them some of Hamas shit.

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          11 months ago

          Which videos? I have seen the pictures they were trying to use to justify beheaded babies.

          Spoiler alert, no beheaded babies!

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            11 months ago

            What about parading dead, innocent people through town and cheering for it?

            Do you want to see crispy, burned babies? Together with their parents? Do you think they did not commit absolutely fucked up atrocities?

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              11 months ago

              Those are awful. But, you should remove “beheading babies” as there’s been no proof of that and you lose a little legitimacy saying it.

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                11 months ago

                I did not say that. But given what I have seen, including beheadings, I have no doubt it happened to babies too.

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              11 months ago

              Those are fucked up things that I completely denounce.

              Fuck Hamas and fuck Israel.

              My only support is for all the innocents involved.

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                11 months ago

                They are justified in making sure such an atrocity does not repeat. They owe that to their people.

                They are not justified for randomly killing innocent people. Sadly, Hamas uses them as meat shields, so there is not going up be a way to avoid that. That blood is in Hamas hands. But they have to try to minimize it. Which they at least seem to do with roof knocking, telling them to leave etc.

                Also, what about that propaganda now?

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                  Just because someone does something wrong doesn’t mean someone else should.

                  I just don’t understand why I keep having to explain this to people.

                  Am I justified in killing a person to hurt the person holding them hostage?

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                  11 months ago

                  If you murder me then go into hiding should the state execute you’re entire family because someone needs punished to ensure it doesn’t happen again?

                  Roof knocking my hole, they told Palestinian people what street to evacuate on and then killed like 150 people who tried to evacuate using that road. Never mind them bombing Gaza’s borders so they can’t escape that way and caused shells to fall on other sovereign nations which started returning fire, escalating this whole shitfest even further.

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        11 months ago

        Seems that one might be a mistake. But the rest isn’t, instead they did things like tie children and then shoot them.

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        11 months ago

        That’s not what was confirmed. Not all of the 40 murdered babies (from one village) were beheaded. At least one was.

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      11 months ago

      Woah if you didn’t include the two item, one cannot and refused to be confirmed to the point that White House have to issue a statement saying they just “heard” from the Israel Authority, and one you’re so undecided which is which, i’d thought you’re talking about Israel.