Benn Jordan leveraged his expertise in audio engineering to investigate this phenomenon. Do watch.
Benn Jordan is like an anarchist Mr. Rogers.
We need an anarchist Mr. Rogers. Just someone pure of heart to talk to kids about taking care of their neighbors no matter what the government says. Little everyday lessons in consensus and how to deal with the conflicts that arise when different people have different big feelings. How everyone is special just for being themselves and we should encourage our neighbors to be their unique selves.
Totally agree.
I don’t disagree, but I feel like the actual Mr. Rogers probably created a lot of Anarchists on his own! I think everything he teaches is not just cohesive with, but runs parallel to, Anarchist teachings. Taking care of yourself and your community is the foundation of Anarchism. I don’t know if being explicit would necessarily help, and it could push some people away from hearing the message.
He was too friendly with cops though.
so, a huge improvement. :)
But are they seeing ghosts yet
My initial reaction was, “why is Jon Hamm in this video and what happened to his voice?”
does he have the video’s research published?
The US has a serious problem with who is able to sue for what damages when it comes to pollution. Depending on if it’s noise, water, or air, the legal codes are not effective at protecting property or people.
Depending on if it’s noise, water, or air, the legal codes are not effective at protecting property or people.
Boy, it’s almost like those are meant to protect something and someone else… Hm… 🤔
Publicize the costs, privatize the profits!
Almost, they’re not effective at protecting the property or people negatively affected by the pollution because they were specifically designed to protect the people doing the polluting and their “property” (read: capital).
Just tax the fucking things already. Fuck tax breaks and kick out any administrators who take the bribes and go against the wishes of their constituents.
Have a number of big fans run at almost the same frequency, and you get an onslaught of waves at the differences of those frequencies.
As they are all nearly the same speed/frequency, the differences will be infrasound, which causes a lot of odd effects on people, like anxiety.
So basically the data centers could alleviate their sound problems by having all their fans run at opposite frequencies to cancel our the sound through deconstructive interference
Or better, shutting down entirely.
And do something that’s good for people at virtually no expense? Haha, no.
Or soundproof the building.
Isn’t it really difficult to soundproof against the low frequency noises?
Just use corrugated cardboard and with longer sine waves, duh!
I am not an audio engineer but you might have a point in that the longer low sound waves would be harder to block.
Where my audiophiles at? We need a sound check on low frequency blocking.
Edit:
Found an article on a crypto mining facility mitigating noise issues.https://noisemonitoringservices.com/data-center-noise-control/
https://www.soundtrace.com/blog/data-center-noise-levels-hearing-conservation-osha-compliance
Also found an article stating that underwater data centers would be the best way to reduce noise. Ignoring that sound travels better underwater and combined with heating the water around them, it would massively disrupt untold amounts of marine life, sure!
The problem is that you cannot get them synced sufficiently. You basically have to route the complete air flow through a padded chamber to dampen their own and the derived sounds.
Let’s get a grant going and do some tests. Surely if you get a couple of jet engine generators next to each other and fiddle with their frequencies you can get some deconstructive interference. I suspect though that there might be some loss in efficiency, and no data center wants higher fuel costs. Only one way to find out though let’s get this science funded
No because the problem only exists because of differences in the frequencies the fans actually run at. If they all run it exactly the same frequency it would just be a loud hum which would be annoying but fine.
So if they got control of their fan frequencies to the level necessary to do what your suggesting they could just have them all run at the same frequency anyway and alleviate the problem that way. But they won’t because that kind of fan control isn’t really possible.
The real solution would be some kind of soundproofing and maybe not building massive data centres in populated areas.
Why isn’t that kind of fan control possible? It’s probably just not possible now because of the way fans are configured currently.
Because fans are not highly tuneable devices?
They vary greatly, even within the same device, even at the same rpm.
Yeah, but do you know what’s super useful? Molotov cocktails.
Not sure how effective that would be unless you were able to get inside the building and could strategically deliver them.
What you really need is a drone that can drop thermite, then lower a small EMP device into the hole.
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drones/balloons with long metal wire dangling down.
Hot wire a wrecking ball.
I was thinking 308 punches holes in sides of.computers
The same argument is used by opponents of wind energy - Infrasound is having bad effects on their health. People do say that while living next to roads that are producing infrasound multiple times louder than wind turbines ever could.
It’s a nice argument if you need it.
How on earth do wind turbines produce infrared sound? The huge things there’s no way they can achieve the necessary vibrations to produce audio let alone in for sound it’s just stupid.
The infra sound has been produced from the high pressure wakes generated in the heat exhaust
I am not sure if I get your point. Sound so deep, that humans can’t here it, is below 20 Hz. So beeing huge helps to produce such low frequencies - bigger wind turbines produce more intense infrasound than smaller ones. Infrasound is also produced by wind blowing over the landscape and by waves on the beach.
This would be hell for me.
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I’m surprised the 49ers haven’t already built a data center right next to their stadium.
This is so stupid I cant believe people fall for it
What makes you assume this is bogus, when it’s been shown repeatedly that it can negatively affect people. Just because you’re not sensitive to it, doesn’t mean no one else is.
This is the highlight from your link. The evidence just isnt there to support these claims about LFN maybe it will be one day but at the moment its not.
If it were the case that this LFN was harmful we wouldnt be looking at datacenters for the major sources of this kind of noise.
Lol. Just linked the same video! :D
https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/comment/26736540Yeah none of that expertise is relevant here. I like Ben but this video has no substance.
Lol what. Besides the actual scientific tests and result analysis? No substance?
He didnt do a single scientific test. He just baselessly claimed this section of noise was harmful then recorded it and interviewed some crazy hippys to farm emotional content.
While I’m not a fan of Big tech, but this surely is nonsense. Are they saying there are more vibrations than, say, living in New York? Near those train lines and billions of cars (and there are probably data centers there too).
You better watch this video by Benn Jordan about exactly this issue: https://youtu.be/_bP80DEAbuo
He measured the reported issue.
Here is a timestamp witg the datacenrer noise isolated: https://youtu.be/_bP80DEAbuo?t=540
I’d be really hesitant with Benn’s videos here. I think Andy Masley has a pretty solid piece describing how they are likely incorrect and possibly even deceptive. There’s enough reasons to hate data center expansions and AI that I don’t think it’s particularly helpful to promote ideas like infrasound majorly affecting our health, as I’d think it dilutes some otherwise important arguments with things that are factually dubious.
https://blog.andymasley.com/p/contra-benn-jordan-data-center-and
I have to agree, sadly. I’m a huge fan of Benn Jordan’s work but I read the Masley post last time this topic came up and even looked at the original sources that Benn cites. There really isn’t any credible research out there to show that infrasound has negative health effects. Fuck data centers in general, but yeah, this argument lacks high quality data to support it.
No offense but that blog is a massive wall of text that is equal to asking someone to read a whole scientific paper (which is too much to ask for in the current context of discussion).
I came as far as dissecting the video about the DCs. It’s not much, maybe 1/10 of the total length.It seems okayish written but I can’t add much else opinion to it as I havent read much further :/ I am sorry.
It is definitely quite the piece, it took me a couple days to get through myself, but I would definitely not say such efforts are too much for the discussion. Disproving misinformation/misconceptions almost always require a lot more effort than sharing them does, and the topic of infrasound harming humans is one that’s really only provable through scientific studies.
That being said as a tl;dr for his post:
Masley is a former physics teacher who works with Effective Altruism. He begins with talking about the body of literature on infrasound, noting how the current consensus indicates it’s only harmful when it’s either normally audible (i.e. normal noise pollution) or loud enough to physically interact with you (similar to how you can feel a jet engine when it takes off). He also talks about how the idea that non-audible infrasound being harmful is basically a pseudoscientific idea that was created to make people afraid of wind turbines, which has generally been considered disproven.
He also goes over each of Benn’s claims from his three videos and discusses how basically all of his points fail into one of
- They showcase how there is a real harmful effect, but it’s caused by either mundane noise pollution, infrasound that’s entirely audible (therefore just normal noise pollution), or infrasound loud enough you can physically feel it. It’s also probably noteworthy to note that data centers generally don’t show up in these categories, instead being in the non-audible infrasound.
- Benn showcases a study or other source that claims either the exact opposite or inconclusive evidence for the point he’s using it for.
- Benn showcases a study or other source that has repeatedly failed to replicate or stand up to peer review.
- The participants reporting effects more likely due to the nocebo effect.
He also gets in touch with authors from the studies that Benn cites, and the ones that get back to him seem to agree with the bogus framing.
Masley also notes often how deceptive the framing and designs that Benn uses are, such as:
- Using the UV Spectrum of light and its ability to cause cancer to imply that other invisible things, such as infrasound, are harmful.
- Creating a study that basically fails on every metric to be a genuinely rigorous study while portraying it as meaningful.
- Benn claims the body of literature on infrasound is sparse often, when there seems to be a lot of works showing the contrary.
- Benn tries to give credence to some extremely dubious experiments like the Vic Tandy ghost story, that are really bad science.
Masley also notes how Benn seems to make a number of mistakes that he should have expertise in as an audio engineer, so he generally comes to the conclusion that this is intentional deception on Benn’s part.
His big point in the end is that, treating infrasound like a really big problem draws attention away from worse problems like air and water pollution; it also muddies the message with factually unsound claims that can make other more meaningful concerns about data centers, pollution, or similar problems more easily dismissable by critics.
It is definitely worth a read as I’m likely forgetting and skipping a lot here, and Masley was pretty specific about a lot (which does get him into pedantic arguments with Benn later).
Your summary was exactly what I needed to at least form a basic opinion (very basic) and (up the point at which I stopped the article) came to the same conclusion as your summary.
Edit: Thank you for taking the time for the TLDR (doesnt matter to me if AI or not)
