For years, Chinese leader Xi Jinping has pushed ethnic minority groups like Tibetans and Uyghurs to adopt an identity rooted in Chinese nationality and allegiance to the ruling Communist Party.

Now, that push has been codified into a sweeping new law that reaches into classrooms, neighborhoods and homes – and gives Beijing the right to target people outside of its borders that it believes violate its rules.

The statute, officially known as the Ethnic Unity and Progress Promotion Law, came into effect on July 1. It bans acts that “undermine ethnic unity or create ethnic division” among China’s 56 officially recognized ethnicities, which include a Han Chinese majority that makes up over 90% of the country’s 1.4 billion people.

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    As someone who lived in China for about 5 years, it’s amazing reading people’s comments on China that have never been there, but they watch bullshit propaganda tictoks, and think they know what they’re talking about.

    I’m 43 from the US. For how ridiculously racist the world thinks the US is because they have the most whiney people with victim syndrome (because you know we have free speech and China doesn’t), I have heard/seen legitimately 10x more racist shit living in China in 5 years than I’ve heard over the last 38 years of my life.

    There’s government messages all over to hate/kill Japanese. They have an amusement park in the south (I forget where) where it’s a replica US aircraft carrier you can visit and outside there’s an activity where you can stop US tressed dummies with a bayonet.

    China thrives on the imbalance of information between itself and the US. They abuse freedom of speech in the US while controlling all media outlets, social sites, and WeChat in their own country.

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      hate/kill Japanese

      Tbf… That’s pretty much all of Asia. That’s what happens when you try your best to murder all your neighbors except for the ones you enslave to do either manual labour or be raped for years on end.

      The hate for Japan would be like if the Nazi party still existed to a lesser extent and were unapologetic or in denial about their war crimes. The vast majority of their leaders since ww2 have either been war criminals, the children or war criminals, or grandchildren of war criminals.

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          Yeah … Sorry if I don’t think that’s a very well put together article, considering that they claim South Korea as the only exception. Then link further down to a study that claims China has even worse views of Japan than Korea.

          And as I have said multiple times in this thread… Most people in asia are able to separate the Japanese people from the Japanese government.

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        What you state is pretty much limited to Korea and China. I have been living in East Asia and SE Asia for the last 22 years and most folks outside of those two countries are fine with Japan and don’t stoke hatred and hard feelings about the past. Yes the Japanese did horrible things in the Philippines but so did the Spanish before the Americans and then the Americans again after world war II. Similar situation in Vietnam, where China invaded and/or occupied Vietnam many times over a 1000 year period, them came the French, then the Japanese during WWI, then the French returned, then the Americans, and then in 1979 the Chinese attacked again.

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          I mean Korea and China were definitely where they did the worst war crimes, but I have met plenty of Filipino, Malaysian, Singaporean, Vietnamese, and Indonesian who hold a lot of prejudice against the Japanese. For the most part it’s mainly aimed at the Japanese government, and not as directed towards individuals.

          I am Korean, and Korean and Chinese people are definitely more vocal about it. But it’s not something a lot of Asians would really speak openly about to white people, even if you’ve been there a while. And just because a country has been occupied by different countries in their past it does not mean make any other instance feel any better, there are just more people to dislike.

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            I’ve heard my Vietnamese family and friends speak far more negatively about Koreans and Chinese than Japanese. Koreans committed some war crimes against Vietnamese during the American war and are considered some of the most rude tourists. The Chinese govt’s continued aggression against Vietnam keeps them at the top of the unpopular list though.

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              Yeah, Korea did a lot of fucked up shit in Vietnam. That doesn’t make the fucked up shit Japan did any better. Have you talked to your grandparents about their views about the Japanese government? I mean they did cause a famine that killed a couple million people in Vietnam.

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              Korean tourists are infamous in Vietnam and I don’t think it’s because of history but because they are just rude. I lived in Da Nang for a while and everything is double priced there for Koreans just because of “rude tax” lol

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                Some of the worst behavior I’ve seen in Hanoi has been from Koreans. That said, drunk Aussies can act quite badly also.

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            Nah that’s not true - I live in Asia. Generally people in Asia have very little care for ww2 history outside of China and Korea because they’re too pragmatic and busy developing themselves to focus on what happened almost 100 years ago.

            For example got to Vietnam as an American and you’ll be more popular and liked than you ever were America. Go to the Philippines as a Japanese, and you’ll make more friends than you ever had in Japan.

            It’s mostly propaganda that still keeps this history alive though in all fairness Japan not accepting responsibility officially is exactly what allows this propaganda to exist.

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              Again… Not saying all people are holding it against individuals. However there is still plenty of animosity against the Japanese government, which is still denying war crimes.

              There are plenty of Koreans that are completely fine with Japanese tourists, have Japanese friends, or have gone to school in Japan. That doesn’t mean there isn’t animosity concerning the Japanese state.

              You can hate Nazis without hating the German people. The only difference is that Japan essentially still has the same ruling class with the same beliefs in their government.

              It’s mostly propaganda that still keeps this history alive

              What propaganda? People are allowed to be upset at a government that still denies the war crimes their parents/grandparents committed. It doesn’t require propaganda to dislike the fact that a national unapologetically enslaved, killed, tortured, or raped your family members and tried to rewrite your cultural history.

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      Han Chinese are even racist towards other Han Chinese due to insane obsession with skin whiteness and China not having free movement like other countries (regional identity then becomes superiority status). This is kinda everywhere in Asia but China is especially bad.

      The problem with western freedom is that it allows for lazy conclusions like “my government is restricting my freedoms and is unjust which means the opposition is free and just, through sheer virtue of being opposition”.

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        Han Chinese are even racist towards other Han Chinese due to insane obsession with skin whiteness and China not having free movement like other countries (regional identity then becomes superiority status)

        My dude… That’s not racism. They are literally the same ethnicity, let alone race. Both of the things you are talking about are based on social economics. Historically in East Asia pale skin meant that you did not have to do manual labor, meaning you were from one of the higher classes.

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      chinese hate on japanese is justified and you shouldnt cry about it

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          People have grand parents that were raped, killed, or tortured by the Japanese empirial army. 80 years ago is still within living memory.

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            You don’t understand… He’s a white Ex-pat living in asia, obviously he has the deepest appreciation and understanding of Asian culture and history possible. It’s not like the Ex-pat communities are primarily living in asia to exploit the low cost of living, or engage in commerce more dubious in nature…

            Obviously if a white man living in asia says so, I should just be fine with the fact that my grandfather lived hidden in a hole in the ground in the backyard for over a year so he wouldn’t be forced into a work gang or worse. It was 80 years ago, I should just get over it. It’s not like Japan or America have turned my homeland into a neo fascist state or anything.

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    Define integrate. I live in a country that I wasn’t born in. Obviously, I follow the laws, but I don’t owe anyone to change my personality. I eat whatever the fuck I want, dress the way I want, etc. I’m allergic to narrow-mindness because it implies low intelligence, among other things

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      Here’s the wiki article on the law: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_on_Promoting_Ethnic_Unity_and_Progress.

      Some stuff makes sense - like economic modernization of regions with many minorities (especially poor regions), teaching Mandarin in schools so that everyone can speak the majority language, and preserving cultural works and texts of minority groups.

      Other stuff seems repressive, like the broad enforcement section, the extremely broad reach of the law into all public and private institutions, legislating what various actors can/can’t teach the youth if it might “harm Chinese ethnic unity” which is left pretty vague. Very ethnostate-coded stuff on the whole, not great.

      Some sections I thought were noteworthy, taken from wikipedia, shortened with DeepSeek. There is lots more stuff in there.

      "Chapter I… tasks the whole of government and society to achieve these goals, mandating general obligations on a wide range of public and private actors such as … " [basically all imaginable institutions]

      “Chapter II, titled Building a Shared Spiritual Home, lays out the ideological characteristics … requiring fostering identification with ‘the great motherland, the Chinese nation, Chinese culture, the Communist Party of China, and socialism with Chinese characteristics’ through patriotic education … and promotion of ‘Chinese cultural symbols and image of the Chinese nation’. It also codifies the predominance of Standard Chinese (Putonghua) in public life … and requires that Chinese characters be displayed more prominently than minority scripts if both must be used in public.”

      “It tasks the Ministry of Education and the National Ethnic Affairs Commission in developing textbooks regarding ‘the community of the Chinese nation’ … It vows to support the standardization, digitization, and preservation of minority texts. It broadly requires media, internet service providers, families, among others, to promote the CCP’s ethnic policy … while prohibiting them from ‘instilling in minors ideas detrimental to ethnic unity and progress’.”

      “Chapter V and VI concern the enforcement mechanisms … permits citizens to report conduct that ‘undermines ethnic unity and progress’ … Procuratorates may initiate public interest litigation when any such conduct also ‘undermines national interests or the public interest’. It generally leaves penalties to be imposed under other applicable laws. It also asserts jurisdiction over foreign organizations and individuals that ‘commit acts targeting the PRC that undermine ethnic unity and progress or create ethnic division’.[7] The law empowers the state to pursue those outside of China perceived as undermining notions of ethnic unity.”

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        It’s quite standard fascist discourse:

        Point to real problem that everybody wants to solve; declare that some policy they want (almost always some kind of racism) is the only solution; do some genocide as the means of implementing the policy.

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        The reason this law is written this way is because of the US funded and armed East Turkestan movement that has killed hundreds of men women and children and dozens of police over the last 30 years.

        That is the ‘ethnic policy’ that no, East Turkestan, a “country” invented in the 1990s by white people that were upset their spy networks in China kept getting executed, is not real and is not a part of Chinese history or culture. Because the East Turkestan movement used propaganda that said the evil Chinese Communists invaded East Turkestan (literally several millennia before communism came to China) randomly and out of the blue and stole away the people of turkey and their land (that just has happened to have been on every single western map of China ever made).

        The “ethnicity” is Chinese. All people in China, Tibet, Xinjiang, Inner Mongolia, Yue, etc are Chinese. There are sub ethnicities like Uyghur, but they are Chinese.

        This law is to reduce racism and radicalism.

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          I am definitely sympathetic to the defense against foreign dissent-manufacturing. I don’t doubt that is a serious issue.

          But, ethnicity and nationality are separate things. Being a Chinese citizen does not make one ethnically Chinese - or in this case Han Chinese. I think what you are calling “sub-ethnicity” here is just what people mean by “ethnicity”. And what you’re implying is “ethnicity” is just “nationality”.

          Though I think the CCP is trying to establish the concept of a Zhonghua Minzu (中华民族) or “Chinese Nation/Ethnic Group” - which is an artificial category intended to create a unified Chinese national identity out of the 56 ethnic groups recognized in China - maybe that’s what you mean? Either way, that doesn’t fit the typical anthropological definition, in my opinion.

          I think they walk a fine line with that concept - it’d be very easy for that national identity to represent the Han majority more than the small minorities. As evidenced by the language restrictions posed by the law. Given the Han majority is 90% of the country, I don’t see how it could be otherwise.

          To the extent that it reduces racism and foreign-sponsored dissent groups, that is good. To the extent that it limits free practice of culture and true, non-US-State-Dept sponsored, free speech, I’d say it’s overly draconian. But, I can also appreciate the need for more “authoritarian” laws in a country that has been under attack by foreign powers for as long as China has.

          I am not a Chinese legal expert and have not read the full law, nor do I fully understand the context. So I withhold full judgment and don’t value my opinion too highly.

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            Ethnicity is a crap word created by the western political discourse to undermine the developing countries.

            In many regions of the world, people don’t identify via their ethnicity l, but their tribes or their religion (e.g. middle east before 1930ish). You don’t see the average westoid liberal defend those rights tho.

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      If you have to ask you are not doing it right

      Winnie the Pooh, probably

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              And not just “dealing with it.” Ending it by increasing regional economic opportunities, infrastructure projects, increasing access to healthcare and education, and thereby effectively eliminating poverty, the root cause of most crime, including terrorism. Oh, and all of that without impacting the Uyghur peoples’ culture or religion.

              At least, that’s what the rest of the world outside of America, Europe, and Israel say.

              https://www.qiaocollective.com/education/xinjiang?rq=Xinjiang

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                And not just “dealing with it.” Ending it by increasing regional economic opportunities, infrastructure projects, increasing access to healthcare and education, and thereby effectively eliminating poverty, the root cause of most crime, including terrorism.

                As far as I am aware, that’s what China has been doing for decades… Possibly even better than the west, although we did have a head start and healtchare and education is still better in places here than some parts of China. But they’re progressing.

                Oh, and all of that without impacting the Uyghur peoples’ culture or religion.

                Depends how you define impact. Islam is protected under the Chinese constitution. Uyghur culture is still celebrated, I’ve even seen Uyghur food stalls and restaurants with signage in the Uyghur language well away from Xinjiang. Whenever I watched it, state media seemed to make a point of telling everyone that the day of that reporting was a special festival for the Uyghur people and detailing some of their traditions. It seemed like a far cry from what I heard from western media.

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    Tell me again how china is good or better than America? I’ve said this before but American capitalism hasn’t been the answer for decades. And Chinese communism won’t save us either. As a Native American I know all to well about the great American history of treating natives here. And how china has been treating Tibet and Uyghurs is distinguished as well as Taiwan too.

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      Why does everything need to be compared to the US and why can’t both be bad?

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      Hey, be generous and give .ml some time to write their script at how they treat their minorities better before they respond to you!

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      Both China and the US are fascist. So they’re about the same.

      Yeah, fascists will call themselves socialist, democratic, or even communist if it serves their goal of gaining power.

      You need to do a lot of due diligence on anyone calling themselves a socialist.

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        I think there’s a bit of a difference especially when considering foreign policy in the modern age. I mean how many civilians have died as the result of military actions taken by China compared to the US in the last 50 years?

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      In my -admittedly limited - experience, the bast majority of people are nice, good people. Doesn’t matter where they come from, what the color of their skin is, what their culture is, most people are decent and just want to make it through the day. Just the other day I was in a city where a football world cup match was playing and the streets were filled to the brim with people from all countries, all walks of life, all partying together. I saw 10 people from every “color” and gender and what not, all playing “keep the ball up”. Everyone was wearing a T-shirt from a different country and it didn’t matter, everyone was there to enjoy themselves.

      Its usually a tiny portion of narcissistic assholes with psychopathic tendencies that feel the need to get more money, more power, who always end up pushing bullshit like this. It’s always a form of “I want more wealth or power so if I make another minority group look bad, I can divide and conquer and become even bigger!”

      I think that if we simply remove the option to become super powerful that things finally will turn around. That means world wide wealth caps for one, nobody richer than, say, ten million dollars, anything over that goes to taxes. And for two, it means also capping the power that politicians have.

      Once everyone is more or less equally powerful, and there are no more incentives to push for more wealth, that 1% if you will, will no longer have the power to push those narratives that one is better than the other, they won’t be able to spread lies as easily anymore and why even try if you can’t get rich or powerful anymore?

      I think that is the thing that will turn this around for humanity, we need to stop the rich and powerful

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      I dont think either system will be the one prevailing in the long term, they are both to flawed and do not prevent corruption which will always destroy any system. So yea both are bad, which leads to the question which is currently worse? I’d argue latestage captialism corpo America is worse then CCP China at the moment. I think more average people are suffering in America then in China at this point in time. Dont get me wrong I’m not a fan off China in terms of censorship, oppression of people and other control measures in place, my only argument is that living a standard live in China is easier/more comfortable at the moment then in the US (better healthcare, less household debt, less homelessness, etc.). Also the Taiwan situation is very different then the Tibet and Uyghurs oppression but that’s a whole other topic so I don’t wanna start that discussion

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      if for no other reason than China isn’t close enough to be the primary actor fucking over my flavor of minority

      where as the US has 100+ years of history doing so

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          Oh yes, China is also better at executing people who don’t agree with it through their courts. Amazing place!

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      China is obviously better than america and its not even close, however china is still bad due to revisionism/dengism

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        You speak as if there’s a “betterness ruler” somewhere we use to measure the “goodness of empires”. It’s not something you measure.

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          If there isn’t a way to objectively measure the morality of an action, or group of actions completed by a nation over time, then why are the majority of your post centered around criticism of China?

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          there is indeed a betterness ruler (called common sense) and not every country is an empire

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        Just putting them by the million into internment camps like we see in Xinjiang…both USA and China can be terrible imperial regimes at the same time!

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            We know exactly where they are, satellite images exist. The Chinese government only allows international observers strict supervised visits to pre-approved sites and does not allow interviews with the local people. Well done you for denying the genocide, hope your family is proud!

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              We know exactly where they are, satellite images exist

              So you know where China allegedly, and remember this is the claim you’re defending, killed 20% of the regions population in a single year? 2 million people, more than in Gaza, gone in a single year, in a single concentration camp according to the US conspiracy theory you’re currently pushing.

              does not allow interviews with the local people.

              What in the absolute racist fuck are you talking about?

              Go on tiktok.

              Right now. Don’t avoid it.

              Type in Xinjiang.

              Congrats. you will find more than a thousand interviews from Big creators, small creators, and western news outlets.

              Holy shit how are you this propagandized? Do you understand how brainwashed you have to be to actually believe something like this?

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                Personally, I think they’re a mentally handicapped lib. Their heart is in the right place, but they have been propagandized beyond repair.

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                So you know where China allegedly, and remember this is the claim you’re defending, killed 20% of the regions population in a single year? 2 million people, more than in Gaza, gone in a single year, in a single concentration camp according to the US conspiracy theory you’re currently pushing.

                Typical straw man, these are your words and your claim, I have never heard of this or mentioned this? What are you on about seriously?

                I am talking about the mass internment camps housing an unknown amount of Uyghurs, possibly up to a million people. These people are being held indiscriminately against their will for an unknown amount of time. Maybe if you got off the brain rot that is tiktok you would understand. Of course I do not have that government spy app on my phone. You think I am propagandised and you tell me to check out a Chinese government propaganda site like tiktok to tell me the Chinese government is doing nothing wrong.

                Do you see how preposterous the stupid words you typed are? Then you have the cheek to tell me I’m brainwashed while shilling CCP crap. You live in crazy town buddy, hope the weather is nice there!

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                  I am talking about the mass internment camps housing an unknown amount of Uyghurs, possibly up to a million people.

                  Yeah, so where are the 500+ square miles of camps that would need to exist to host that many people. Literally where? You don’t have satellite pictures of any facility or group of facilities that large. That’s half the prison population of the US’ prison system, which covers thousands of square miles.

                  These people are being held indiscriminately against their will for an unknown amount of time.

                  No. People in prison have prison sentences with determinate amounts of time. Also if they were held ‘indiscriminately’ they would just be prisoners?? Like?? Discriminately imprisoning people is the claim being made by the US. That they’re being locked up for their ethnicity. Or sometimes religion. If they are being held indiscriminately then China isn’t doing anything wrong regardless of how many they have locked up…

                  Maybe if you got off the brain rot that is tiktok you would understand. Of course I do not have that government spy app on my phone.

                  TikTok is a US owned and operated company, and it also has a website. It is also by far the largest social media website and the largest source of news for populations under 50.

                  You think I am propagandised and you tell me to check out a Chinese government propaganda site like tiktok to tell me the Chinese government is doing nothing wrong.

                  TikTok is majority owned by Oracle, and for US audiences is run off of Data centers in the US owned by Oracle, who has complete and total control over content shown to US users. The App’s source code itself has been audited by the US federal government and Oracle as a part of reversing the ban on Tiktok.

                  At no point was Tiktok Chinese owned. Singapore, despite your people’s best efforts to claim otherwise, is not a Chinese city.

                  Do you see how preposterous the stupid words you typed are? Then you have the cheek to tell me I’m brainwashed while shilling CCP crap. You live in crazy town buddy, hope the weather is nice there!

                  You’re so racist you thought a Singaporean app owned by a US company that has been audited by the US government is chinese spyware.

                  Get some amount of medical help. I recommend going to China, who can offer you psych care for less per session, including flights and hotel stays, than you can receive in the US.

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              And Israel doesn’t allow international journalists or aid groups into Gaza, yet we have overwhelming video evidence of genocide occurring. You can go to Xinjiang tomorrow and interview the local population. Your parroting disproven bullshit proudly and you should feel ashamed for it.

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                Whataboutism at its finest, the absolute state of you! When you are comparing yourself to Israel you are surely in good company! Israel and China are working from the same playbook. You think I should be ashamed? Look in the mirror you filthy genocide denier, shame on you and your mother for having you!

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                  Respond to the content of my comment and explain how I’m wrong. Why the discrepency? You can go to Xinjiang but not Gaza, why?

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          Right, and one is declared a genocide by the UN and most international human rights groups, and one is propaganda, lol.

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      Very quickly skimming the law, it sounds like what’s common in other countries: there will be a national language, restrictions on your native culture’s practices, etc. Hijabs in France, for example, or mandatory English/French in Canada.

      Of course, the text of the law and its application could be very different.

      Despite Trump’s disgusting EO, the US does not have an official national language. Find the right kind of cultural enclave and business is conducted in that language because language should exist to communicate and promote exchange. Gov-wise we just kinda do everything in English, mostly Spanish, French (up in the Northeast), and some growing flavor of Chinese because that’s what gets the job done best for our community.

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      https://www.spp.gov.cn/spp/fl/202603/t20260313_723912.shtml

      各民族优秀传统文化都是中华文化的组成部分。国家坚持以社会主义先进文化引领各民族优秀传统文化的创造性转化和创新性发展,支持开展中华优秀传统文化的宣传和推广。

      国家尊重和保障少数民族语言文字的学习和使用,推动少数民族语言文字的规范化、标准化和信息化建设,支持少数民族古籍的保护、整理、研究和利用。

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    While the text of the law doesn’t seem especially egregious, we’ll have to wait and see how it is enforced. The treatment of minorities by China in the past has been fraught with… well imprisonment, torture, and erasure of their communities. Kind of like the US and Canada, but worse and on a bigger scale.

    Probably just more of the same, honestly. My biggest concern is this:

    and gives Beijing the right to target people outside of its borders that it believes violate its rules.

    So, uh, any Chinese national, anywhere in the world, does something they don’t like, they come after you? yeeeeeeah, that’s gonna be a No from me, dog.

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    Sometimes I think is China really a social or mixed bag pretending to be social specially on capitalism side🤔

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    This is a very slanted and obviously biased article. The US official spends BILLIONS on anti-china propaganda. Part of that is cultivating people like Simone McCarthy (who some observers^* say is related to related Joseph McCarthy, the inventor of McCarthyism).

    It bans acts that “undermine ethnic unity or create ethnic division”

    What, like banning hate speech or race based discrimination? What does it mean?

    The state is mandated to support museums, libraries and other cultural institutions to hold events reflecting Chinese history and national prosperity

    Horrifiying!

    EDIT: China does have problems with racism, so this seems like a perfectly reasonable goal to have.

    local authorities must work toward ethnic integration in their housing policies – a stipulation observers suggest

    DEI? BUT AT WHAT COST???

    Organizations and individuals outside mainland China that “undermine” ethnic unity or “create ethnic division” will also be held liable

    Separatism is part of the standard playbook of the CIA / NED for regime change. Generally regimes don’t like being targeted for regime change. Would you?

    If you personally have ever been targeted for regime change, please share your experiences below.

    the law appears to be a final step in a years-long evolution of Chinese policy to emphasize national identity over ethnic autonomy.

    Xi, who came to power in 2012 following widespread 2008 protests in Tibet and deadly unrest in Xinjiang, home to its Uyghur minority.

    Yeah there was a little international funded terrorism there. At least China didn’t start multiple imperialist “wars on terror”.

    What liberals don’t seem to understand is that the USA spends billions to undermine and foment dissent and chaos in other countries they consider enemies or rivals. This is a real issue other “shithole” countries who don’t bow to US imperialist pressure have to content with. And there are no easy or simple or pretty solutions. It’s easy for the CIA to disseminate lies or hate or nationalism. This CNN article is just adding insult to injury.

    The whole idea of “cultural genocide” is ludicrous. The USA has replaced cultures with copies of McDonalds and Starbucks worldwide and their insidious and delicious Hollywood movies. The USA regime does this, and they let capitalism run wild which in the balance of things helps them. They use soft power and push policies like copyright and drug policies and economic ideology and get them adopted globally.

    But if any other state tries to create and instill a culture in their population, oh it’s soooo evil! Fucking China bad from CNN. Any mention of “human rights campaigner” has long lost all meaning because most are logically funded by either CIA or plutocrats.

    What the Chinese are saying is perfectly reasonable, there is agitation and it’s a problem. But it’s being cast through the lens of “evil regime, evil people” to make it sound ominous.

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    Isn’t this kinda standard? It would make sense to educate a country’s people in a common language. I don’t believe this is necessarily trying to eradicate the minority languages, patterns have generally shown that the languages just coexist.

    As for unity in nationality, such a thing also makes sense.

    Article reads as just another “haha china bad” hit piece from CNN

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          Show me a country that has engaged in cultural extermination that doesn’t couch it in terms of unity. That’s literally the core of fascism. You need one nation. One party. One race. One identity. That’s the definition of fascism.

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              Ethnic unity = one race

              It doesn’t get more synonymous.

              No one’s going to believe you’re that stupid so stop acting like you’re not just a troll.

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                It isn’t synonymous. The preamble of the legislation itself refers to the aim of a “unified multi-ethnic nation”. Just because the USA has issues of racism and race division going on, doesn’t mean that other nations should follow suit. The law is literally trying to break down race divisions and is in itself anti-racist.

                Read the official publication, lol

                https://www.spp.gov.cn/spp/fl/202603/t20260313_723912.shtml

                The state respects and protects the learning and use of minority languages and scripts, promotes the standardization, normalization and informatization of minority languages and scripts, and supports the protection, collation, research and utilization of ancient books of minority groups.

                The outstanding traditional cultures of all ethnic groups are integral parts of Chinese culture. The state adheres to guiding the creative transformation and innovative development of the outstanding traditional cultures of all ethnic groups with advanced socialist culture, and supports the promotion and dissemination of outstanding traditional Chinese culture.

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              They’re literally advocating ethnic unity. Not unity between ethnicities, but ethnic unity implying one.

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                The law bars anyone from blocking marriages on ethnic grounds. The only way to stop one ethnicity existing would be to ban interracial marriages.

                Also, it doesn’t imply anything, the preamble refers to a unified multi-ethnic nation. The whole Chinese view on the issue has essentially been anti-racism and working towards ending racial divisions. If such a thing were to be promoted in the west, it would be celebrated.

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                  Well, the whole view far as Chinese propaganda goes. And Trump is making America great again. Mmhmm. Sure.

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      patterns have generally shown that the languages just coexist

      I would love your source on that, because that is contrary both to my reasoning and experience.