AI has had like 14 Chernobyl moments. Wasn’t the US using AI to bomb Iran? That include a whole school of girls IIRC. And guess what? No one cares.
While I agree with you, the vast majority of users are still AI pilled.
Those users are what they are scared of loosing.
And why would they be scared of losing them if they are pilled? In about six to ten more months, those idiots (the pilled ones) are going to be so idiotized they won’t know even how to put their trousers on without asking ChatGPT, if they haven’t fallen that low already.
Maybe those are going to be the casualties. When AI tells them to run in traffic or something.
Hmmm I mean I’m all for them running into traffic because Siri told them that’s how you boil water for tea; the problem is the other, innocent people involved in a crash.
Most of them are driving SUVs so big they won’t even feel it and staring at the phone, so there won’t even be any ptsd.
Its more likely that they will feel it if they are driving an SUV because of crash comparability.
I vote we speed this process along.
I care
I mean, sure, we (the Fediverse, I hope, at least) care; I was being somewhat allegorical.
Okay but deep learning for image object detection and large language models are absolutely different things
And they are both powerful tools and can be used to whatever means you want. Good or evil… or just means. Not everything has to have a good or bad label
It does not matter how they can be used. “Can” is only potential, and that’s classical accelerationistbro excuse. What matters is the actions, and right now the actions are that both are moved primarily by an elite of oligarchs, pedophiles, thieves and genocides, at the cost of our water, health, environment, privacy, sanity and society.
Chernobyl blew up because they were dicking around with an unsafe design.
This analogue is very apt.
An unsafe design that wasnt even fully tested.
Still bang on.
How about they stop building the torment nexus?
Torment does not create torment. It’s being created by the torment factory within the nexus. Nexus was not valued.
Delusional take. We, the people pretty much hate AI already. We hate how it‘s utilized against us.
This take is a denial of current reality.
They’re already using “AI” for genocide in Palestine, etc.
This is how capitalism always develops and uses “technology”.
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Yeah, but the thing is…there is absolutely nothing stopping Iran, Hezbollah or Hamas from developing their own AI.
The technology needed to develop AI that can sabotage infrastructure, spread disinformation, develop autonomous weapons etc is already out there.
Whatever advantage the US and Israel had when it comes to military applications of AI, is quickly disappearing.
Wait, so its not the actual event and ensuing casualties that have AI researchers spooked, but the fact that it might cause the public to turn against AI?
It’s like responding to your employee losing an arm, ripped off by your tiger, and saying “I’m never going to financially recover from this.”
Let me put this in perspective:
In many countries its against the law to freely distribute plans for making neurotoxins or bombs, because the democratization of such knowledge would lower the threshold for people to commit acts of terror.
Likewise the plans for making a hydrogen bomb are a close kept government secret, because nuclear proliferation increases the likelihood of radiological accidents or even nuclear war.
How is it then that AI companies freely publish their AI models to any and all actors willing to pay them? Even though they know that this technology lowers the threshold for bad actors to commit cybercrime, engage in cyberwarfare, spread misinformation, commit fraud, manipulate markets and whatnot? The unregulated democratization of AI exposes societies to unprecedented risks.
Is it any wonder the public holds a negative view on AI?
Likewise the plans for making a hydrogen bomb are a close kept government secret, because nuclear proliferation increases the likelihood of radiological accidents or even nuclear war.
I think they removed it, but I watched a documentary on Netflix explaining how to make a basic nuclear bomb.
Really the only hard part is obtaining the enriched uranium. Which is, thankfully, very hard.
How is it then that AI companies freely publish their AI models to any and all actors willing to pay them?
Because they can’t really do much?
Why are you comparing a tool used for knowledge and action augmentation to weapons created for destruction? Because your statement would look dumb if you said “electric motors and encyclopedias” instead of “neurotoxins and bombs”.
I can use both electric motors and encyclopedias to inflict mass casualties against people who refuse to use them or the results of their labor, but that doesn’t make them like bombs and neurotoxins. You’re simply scared of a new technology because it’s so different.
It’s really not even so different. “AI” in the current LLM-era just tricks people into thinking it’s something fundamentally different because it can string together words in a more coherent sentence than we’re used to.
At its core, though, the whole premise of the comment you’ve replied to is the argument that knowledge is dangerous and I hope I don’t have to explain why that’s a bad argument.
it can string together words in a more coherent sentence than we’re used to
Truthiness.
AI is a universe simulator that uses the fuzzy logic of language instead of hard math. It is a real-time interface between the human and thousand of years of collective knowledge and understanding. It is an epoch change, even if you remove the idea that it is a thinking being like you.
the fuzzy logic of language instead of hard math
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There’s no evidence that natural language is based on fuzzy logic.
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Fuzzy logic is real math.
You are talking about a statistical array that uses fuzzy logic to represent humanity’s compression of their experience of the universe. It uses language to determine the values because people used language to encode them.
Fuzzy logic was literally founded as a way to represent the concepts we naturally represent with language.
You are so far away from a solid grasp of what your are attempting to educate me on. Is this a litmus test for other idiots? Like, you can’t join the crusade unless you are “this stupid”?
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True, there are more valid reasons to hate AI, like that its usage inherently degrades the livability of our only planet or that it only functions due to artistic and intellectual property theft.
However, you’re glossing over the reality that AI is already being used in weapons. It was also used by my government’s regime to illegally kidnap the president of another country, even.
Electric motors and encyclopedias are irreplaceable in weapons. All electronics are used in weapons.
Farming, fishing, and electricity inherently degrade our planet far more than AI. They should all be used sustainably, wisely, and with an eye to ecosystem health and future generations. You’ll get absolutely no argument from me there. Banning any of them or limiting their access to only the governments and corporations who are doing almost all the damage, is insanity.
When it comes to IP theft, that is a huge, non-ai problem. Again, corporations are responsible for almost all of the damage and we reap none of the benefits, even before AI was ever introduced. The problem is with how we allow corporations to copyright and restrict things for generations.
The solution is that AI, the technology that required all of humanity to contribute knowledge for it to exist, should be free for all to use. Why would IP theft be a reason to limit AI ownership to only corporations and governments? That’s completely backwards.
Farming, fishing, and electricity inherently degrade our planet far more than AI.
They’re also necessary for existence (at least the first two, but when it comes to medical applications, really electricity too).
AI slop? Nope.
Nope, we all lived just fine without farming and fishing. Then we lived just fine without industrial farming and fishing. We lived most of human existence without either, and certainly without modern medicine.
You just like those things and you don’t like AI.
Then you dress all AI applications down to “AI slop”. Which if you want to move the goalposts to “AI slop”, we can agree that it’s about as necessary as high fructose corn syrup and streaming entertainment. Do you fuss on those as hard as frivolous AI usage?
lmao that’s actually so stupid I’m not even going to bother responding
a tool used for knowledge and action augmentation
It’s a bullshit aggregator attached to a stochastic bullshit firehose.
So many of you are zealots, foaming at the mouth, mass-replying to my comments with the rancor of toadies suddenly faced with the truth that the bully they serve will replace them in a heartbeat.
If it is so useless, it’ll just fail on its own. A person who really believed this would just sit back and laugh as corporations dug their own graves.
I’m a data and AI specialist, so no…I’m not scared of technology :p
I’ll explain my argument: AI is technology that can be used for software automation. Neither software in general or AI are dangerous technologies in and of themselves. Just as nuclear energy or jet propulsion are not dangerous technologies in and of themselves.
But the application of technology is never ever neutral, so rules and regulations are always necessary to dictate the context and the conditions in which technology is being applied.
And therein lies the issue: Big Tech is allowing their models and platforms to be used to create applications that are inherently harmful. For example, how is it not a problem when people create deepfake porn of their underaged ex-girlfriend?
And mind you this is not an oversight: tech companies know well in advance what their models can be used for and the issues themselves can be fixed easily. They simply chose to accept the damage inflicted unto individuals and security and stability of society as a whole.
All so they can get ahead of the crowd and maximize their market share. If anything, this article is a testament to this clash of interests between society and big tech.
You can’t possibly be what you claim to be. All the other problems with your argument aside, it is not trivial to make a model that is “safe” and functional at the same time. It has not been done.
That knowledge is nowhere near as restricted as you think. People regularly build small thermonuclear reactors in their basements for shits and giggles. It’s not exactly cutting edge technology.
Similarly, anyone with slightly more than a passing interest in model rockets knows someone who’s been visited by the ATF, as your average solid fuel model rocket engine is basically a pipe bomb with one of the endcaps taken off.
Fair point. But how many more people tried and failed because they didn’t have the level of skill required to see it through.
I mean I’m not a dumb guy, but if I started tomorrow I wouldn’t be able to just build a rocket out of the blue. It takes time and patience to master the skills needed to pull it off.
But if I had someone at my side to guide me through the proces, then I’d probably succeed a lot better and faster.
And that goes for the ten of thousands of people all around the world trying their hand at these things.
The money might go away!
AI vibecoded nuclear plant. What could go wrong? You just need to add “no nuclear meltdown” at the end of the prompt.
Wasn’t that just the plot of N.U.K.E.E.?
There is info that Microsoft vibecoded an OS…
This “AI is inevitable” mindset is the most rapey shit ever.
“Top AI researcher” I can no longer read those words without Doofy voice 😂
Probability of unhinged techbro bs is around 115%
They’re always going on about how dangerous their AI is.
“Our hey our AI found 3,000 0-day security vulnerabilities in top software, we’re only giving it to top software companies so that they can patch their products before we release”
Was double-tapping a school not enough?
It was a school of some desert people far away. So it’s basically irrelevant to the citizen of The Great US Empire.
Not so much an AI thing as much as an American thing. Americans and Israelis love doing that shit.
The thing about Chernobyl was that it was, ultimately, an unwanted mistake.
The thing about AI is that the shitty mass casualty outcome seems like the intended outcome.
Chernobyl: A massive catastrophic accident during testing and shift changes.
AI: A massive catastrophic accident intentionally caused by corporate greed and capitalism
I’ll worry about ‘AI’ when something that can legitimately be mistaken as intelligence is demonstrated.
In the meantime, these explosively imprecise, statistically luke-warm, grey goo extrusion sphincters need to be exclusively opt-in, and not forced on anyone who hasn’t explicitly consented to a lobotomy.
Issue is, they’re already trying to use it for things it shouldn’t be used for…
Name one thing it should be used for, where there’s not a better, lower-cost, lower-risk alternative.
I’d say “You got me!”, but I legit having an issue with finding a usecase for LLMs.
Why wait? What is with people trying to act so slick and cool?
Yes, it sucks, but it’s a) being used as if it’s intelligent, which is arguably much worse, and b) going to eventually get to a point where it’s at least not terrible(at its job, specifically, as it’s pretty bad for a lot of things).
For a personal reason, I’m worried about it because it’s very likely filtering my CV based on a work gap that’s only getting worse because my CV is getting filtered. It’s not intelligent, but HR companies and departments are using it for that anyway.
It’s already not bad for certain specific, niche applications. Check out PlantNet. It’s awesome. You can take a picture of a plant, and it’ll identify it for you. No micro-transactions; you don’t even have to log in. It just works.
Obviously, that isn’t one of the applications of Machine Learning that people have a problem with. It’s the LLMs filtering out your resume or spying on you or producing slop.
going to eventually get to a point where it’s at least not terrible
That is far from inevitable, and that’s even more true if you’re talking about existing LLM technology.
Yeah, this article is promoting the doomsday AI myth which is the narrative that these companies want us to go with, because it makes their products seem powerful. In reality, people are already turning against this technology en masse — not because they’re afraid it’ll turn into Skynet, but because it sucks shit.
Don’t worry about “AI”, worry about the idiots who will give the imprecise statistical output extruder a gun.
Like any other toxic ingredient, anything made with even an iota of AI-generated content in it should be flagged, and it should be mandatory for sites to provide an easily user-accessible way to filter that horseshit out.
Data is often called the new oil, but I’d argue it more closely resembles uranium.
LLM’s are like asbestos, a carcinogen later generations will need to carefully remove from the environment they’ve inherited.
What is currently labelled as slop will more accurately be treated like irradiated sludge.
Top AI researchers should go fuck themselves right to hell for handwaving away and ignoring the inherent problems with their work while plowing ahead full steam so they can get personally rich.
That implies an actual AI when the truth is in current form human error using the tool behind it.
Personally I am more concerned by it will be used by design of the techbros who are pretty open in their desire to be rid of some of the masses. Supporting emerging wars just masks their part….for now.
I don’t think it needs to be an actual AI to cause a “Chernobyl Moment” maybe almost literally.
We have tech bros and random clueless idiots trying to shoehorn these glorified chat bots into basically everything, and an administration that doesn’t seem interested in putting meaningful guardrails on the technology. What happens when it gets put in charge of something it really shouldn’t and starts to hallucinate?
If it somehow ends up in charge of critical safety systems in a nuclear plant? (Remember that some of these tech bros want to have their own plants to power their data centers)
Or air traffic control and causes multiple crashes? (Pretty sure I’ve already seen that idea being floated)
Maybe every cybertruck goes haywire stuck on self-driving mode and they cause tons of damages and deaths for a few hours until their batteries run out.
Maybe it gets used to route navigation in Google maps and it ends up causing massive gridlock in every major city around the world for a day or two
Perhaps it gets used for identifying vehicles on traffic cameras and automatically issuing citations, but ends up citing everyone on the highway for a week whether or not they actually did anything plus a bunch of cars that it hallucinated before someone catches on. Millions of tickets are issued and need to be sorted out, if anyone actually pays the fines refunds need to be issued, some people maybe get their license revoked and maybe even get arrested because of it and all of that needs to be set straight
If any of these kinds of things happen on a big enough scale, I think that could be a Chernobyl Moment for AI
Yes. I just think the concept is more imagined as a sentient entity making an error rather than overconfidence or incompetence with the tool at hand.
And of course we all know it will be used as a scapegoat regardless. Question is what’s the magic number of humans lost to confidence in the machine ratio, before pushback occurs. It sounds horrific even typing it.
I don’t think it’s about number of people I think it’s about perceived sense of urgency on the part of various governments. A lot of people aren’t very happy with AI but the threats are all existential at the moment. The moment something happens all the people who are already not happy with AI will suddenly have a threat to point to and then the governments around the world will have no choice but to act.
Although I suspect the Trump administration will still try and weedle out of regulating anything because they have so much business interest in the industry.
