• Onomatopoeia@lemmy.cafe
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    Lean

    Oh, the irony.

    Bit oblivious, more like.

    What value does a foreign language have for Bob, who lives in the middle of the country?

    I learned two languages in school, have never used either one with a native speaker of that language.

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        America has 300 different answers for “what language do you speak at home with family”.

        Three hundred.

        You could have 6 different languages per state, with no overlap, just by shuffling people around.

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          Yeah and there are people that speak Basque in Spain. However, you won’t find many that are not Basque speaking that language. The Basque speakers all mostly speak Spanish.

          Same thing in the US. Sure there are people that speak 300 languages, but the majority speak English. They are also spread out.

          Only major exception would be Spanish

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            And even in the US there are a pretty good amount of native English speakers who have learned Spanish for this reason.

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          I mean, I understand the spirit, but that’s bit too close to ethnic cleansing.

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        You have a different language in each house. If you want to learn or practice a new language, you’ll find speakers in any community.

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      What value does a foreign language have for Bob, who lives in the middle of the country?

      I learned two languages in school, have never used either one with a native speaker of that language.

      We have a huge population of Spanish speaking people here.

      There’s roughly the same amount of people in the US that speak Spanish that do in Spain.

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        I don’t know why you’re saying “if.” They are taught logical fallacies, and…

        gesticulates wildly at nation

        If American students were taught to identify and avoid committing logical fallacies, then they’d be in a better place.

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          I meant if they were taught what logical fallacies are (and how to recognize them). What they are actually taught relies on logical fallacies and would crumble if they understood it for what it is. Pretty sure we’re saying the same thing.

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            Yes, I agree. I was making a joke about how backward, and often times completely incorrect, US education is, i.e., they are teaching the children logical fallacies.

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    It’s a shame there isn’t more language education in the US. We had one class on a foreign language starting in sixth grade, which is pretty late.

    Most things here are mono lingual. I visited Montreal and I feel like if I was there for a few months, my rudimentary French would really develop. Unfortunately, the one time I tried to speak to someone there who didn’t speak English, it didn’t go super well. She was patient, but we weren’t really understanding each other. All my French is reading and writing, so I have an incredibly bad accent.

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      I mean learning Spanish for the southwest would be super valueable, I took 2 years Spanish but they suck at teaching. I learned nothing tbh. I learned a little while working retail mostly

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    Given that this completely ignores that there are thousands of people who can speak English and their native tribal language I’d say it’s both harsh and ignorant, putting aside that a foreign language was a required class in my high school.

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    Part of being powerful is a reduction in cognitive load. You don’t have to worry about what those strange foreign language speakers think or want because you have the guns and money. They have to worry about what you want. Being asked to learn another land’s language places them equal or higher in the hierarchy.

    You just can’t allow that kind of thinking. I mean, what next, calling foreigners human? /s

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    USA you mean. (America covers Canada and Mexico and Brazil and… Well you get the picture).

    As with anything in the US it’s more complex than that. Most of my friends speak a second language to some degree. German, Portuguese, Spanish, Russian, and I myself am working on Welsh.

    Sure you get plenty of ignorant folk who call it useless, like most of my relatives, but plenty want to learn. US is not really one homogenous culture despite how it might seem at times.

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        IIRC it’s like that in most european countries with more than one official language, too. Ironically it’s usually the native French speakers who don’t want to learn a different language.

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    I travel a fair bit and one of the most embarrassing things is that I’m monolingual. Something like 4-5 BILLION people are 2+ languages. And then there’s me from a rich nation with a solid education, trying my best to speak the local language, just to have the other person step in with perfect English out of pure sympathy.

    But, hey, people love that you make the effort. It’s like the joy of seeing a 3 year-old count to 10…except you’re an adult trying to say, “Could I have two, please?”

    “Oh! That was very good!”

    3 year-old grin on my adult face

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      Something like 4-5 BILLION people are 2+ languages.

      If I had to guess, I’d say this number is way smaller if you don’t include people who speak English as a second language.