Just blocked lemmy.ml from my Lemmy account, and I swear to god it’s one of the best things I’ve ever done on this platform. My homepage feels actually clean now.
For the past few months I’d been seeing a lot of tankie posting and pretty much far-left propaganda on my feed. It got tiring enough that I finally checked my blocked-user list, and realized pretty much everyone I’d blocked was from lemmy.ml. So I just blocked the whole instance instead.
Saying this as someone who considers themselves a leftist: I used to think Lemmy itself was an echo chamber. Turns out lemmy.ml was the problem the entire time. Probably the reason I tolerated it for so long is that I agreed with a lot of what they posted, but like an oversaturated meme, I’d had enough. Browsing the platform was starting to feel way too tiring instead of fun, which defeats the point of being here in the first place.
The breaking point was seeing some dude post a “meme” implying North Korea and China are basically communist utopias and that the West sucks. I mean, the West does suck, but come on - you’re saying North Korea is the ideal the West should strive for? What the hell…
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Whining about .ml takes up more of my feed than .ml
People should block users and instances that they dont want to see. They are in charge of their account. Then you wont have to feudpost about these people you blocked because you wont see them.
i’m new to my instance that isn’t defederated from anything and I see an awful lot of whining about .ml hexbear and lemmygrad but i haven’t seen the users do anything. i’m more annoyed by the whiners so far.
but i haven’t seen the users do anything.
It’s not the users people block over, blocking an instance doesn’t stop you from interacting with the users.
What it does, is block every community from that instance from your feed, that’s it.
People block .ml, because while some decent communities may exist, their admins will see your comments elsewhere, then find any/all comments on their instance and either harass you or ban you.
The block just means you won’t accidentally stumble into a place they control.
The minority of users who are really problematic, are likely to be banned everywhere else already
their admins will see your comments elsewhere, then find any/all comments on their instance and either harass you or ban you.
Citation lemmy.ml admins do this please? Also isn’t this technically possible with every single instance of Lemmy?
Citation lemmy.ml admins do this please?
Their instance modlog…
Also isn’t this technically possible with every single instance of Lemmy?
It’s technically possible everyone ran an Epstein level child trafficking ring…
It would be insane to investigate everyone equally instead of just the people we know are doing it…
That should be obvious buddy
Wow that went dark quickly. Not sure any of that was warranted
Wow that went dark quickly
Wait till you hear about the “people’s” revolution under Mao…
Yep, that’s exactly the point
People block .ml, because while some decent communities may exist, their admins will see your comments elsewhere, then find any/all comments on their instance and either harass you or ban you.
I’m not sure what you mean. If someone harasses you then you can just block them. If you block an instance it’s users can still see your posts elsewhere and comment can’t they? I don’t politically align with the Lemmy devs but lemmy.ml is their instance and just like piefed, mbin, and others they can run their personal instance as they see fit. Isn’t that the whole point of federation?
If you block an instance it’s users can still see your posts elsewhere and comment can’t they?
Yes, I literally said that earlier in the comment you replied to…
blocking an instance doesn’t stop you from interacting with the users.
And…
they can run their personal instance as they see fit. Isn’t that the whole point of federation?
Yes, that’s why I don’t make posts that they need to change, I just chimed in and provided context for why blocking their instance so you don’t accidentally stumble into their places…
average day in .world when people just make stuff up
Just because that admin hid how to check on their instance, doesn’t mean they can hide it on every instance…
https://lemmy.world/modlog?page=1&actionType=All&modId=855573
That’s your main admin, constantly doing mod level moderation all over the place.
Anything they don’t like, anywhere on their instance, they censor.
he’s enforcing the instance rules, just like any other instance admin…
So…
First you said it was made up…
I provided proof…
So now it’s not made up, it’s just totally cool that it happens.
You don’t see any issue at all with lack of logical consistency?
you claimed that they do mod level moderation all over the place, deleting things they don’t like
your “proof” was an admin enforcing the instance rules, which every good instance admin does.
edit: admin, not mod
It’s just american imperialist upset they have any pushback.
Having mindless tankies parrot ccp and russian propaganda is getting tiring.
No! It isn’t propaganda! You’re the one who is parroting propaganda!
Saying russia and china are dictatorships and stuff, i saw a post on VK that said exactly the contrary! And it must be true!
Xi Jinping said he cares about free speech, he can’t lie, only western politicians lie!
It’s not authoritarianism if I do it!
What a fucking chud loser you are
I believe it went over your head. This was a satire comment. It is made by OP. OP doesn’t believe in those words. Sarcasm can be used without writing “/s”.
No, it isn’t satire, i belive just about everything i read on vk.
their doomer, pseudo intellectual main course with a dessert of populist fantasy crap is depressing
at least their radicalization stuff was kinda spicy but it’s an addictive combo to melt your brain into the cult
Big talk coming from a Zionist
Whatabout capitalists parroting propaganda? Checkmate.
Yeah they are tiring too and they are destroying the country with their blind idolitry.
I was mostly making fun of tankies’ only argument being that capitalists do something bad too so it’s OK to do it themselves
Poe’s law strikes again, I thought you were that tankie.
More worried about the much more prevalent american imperialist support.
Ah yes the vast support the current US government enjoys on …Lemmy.
No, we loathe that you’re reducing the problem to “this administration”. I actually love this administration for the fact that it has dropped the facade and I can finally talk about US imperialism showing how cruel it has ever been.
“us imperialism” ok kid
Mother fucker I live in Iran, I’ve seen your bombs hit my fucking neighborhood. Get lost.
I totally believe you that you live in Iran now
I’m glad you’re on here and I’m sorry you’re having to live through what you are living through.
I hope it ends as peacefully as is possible now soon.
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Yeah, that’s the problem, the opposition to American imperialism only goes as far as “orange man bad”
Americans think Trump is a mistake when he’s the truest reflection of the American soul there ever was!
Try talking about Nato expansion and see how far you get.
The government doesn’t care if you hate it as long as you confirm the narrative with your hate.
What expansion?
The latest new members of NATO after many years have applied because Russia invaded ukraine, a non-NATO country.
If there weren’t countries invading other ones, no one would need to join NATO, as it is a defensive alliance.
What expansion?
Russia says that they were promised no Nato expansion in Eastern Europe like there was a commitment to no Nato troops in East Germany.
If there weren’t countries invading other ones, no one would need to join NATO, as it is a defensive alliance.
How can countries protect themselves if they are attacked by Nato or Nato countries?
It’s the right of every country to join military alliances as they want. And some promise back in the early 90s is totally nothing binding that is valid when one country is actively attacking its neighbors. Every neighbor state will then try to get into an alliance against such aggression.
Which country has Russia attacked before the Nato expansion?
They can defend themselves the same way as if any other country attacked them.
NATO doesn’t protect you if you start an offensive war. It only protects you if you’ve been attacked first.
There’s no better example than the epstein-US-Iran war. Trump keeps whining that his “NATO allies” are not helping him. Iran right now can attack the US as much as it can, since the US started the war for no fucking reason.
Some individual countries that are part of NATO have helped the US, but that was independently of NATO.
The US are using the bases of their Nato partners for Iran. It’s not a Nato mission in name but that doesn’t matter to Iran. If Ukraine gets Nato bases with fighter jets and midrange missiles then it doesn’t help Russia if Nato doesn’t attack but only the USA from bases in Ukraine.
Oh yes cause there is so much of that here.
:(
But you so ooky dooky spoopy scary bogmonster!
I do my best o7
AHH! It can talk!
I find the whining and complaining more annoying.
It’s easy to block content you don’t want (or switch to software that supports it). If it annoys you, block it.
…thats literally what they did tho?
Yeah but making a post about it is stupid, we’re all blocking instances and users we don’t like, it’s like posting “tie your shoes if tripping on your laces feels tirening”. Like what is this? a post for primary schoolers?
we’re all blocking instances and users we don’t like
People commonly think that everybody else sort of thinks and acts the same way that they do. Sometimes it’s that way, but a lot of the time it isn’t. I didn’t block a single instance until I think last week. (It was lemmy.ml, not too coincidentally.) That includes my six months on piefed, as well as the several years before that on lemmy.world. I had considered blocking them in the past, but it was only recently that several accounts from there started behaving super-aggressively to me.
I’m just reluctant to block entire instances because I feel like I’ll miss out on something. But at this point, I think if you’re still on lemmy.ml, then you’re probably not somebody who I want to interact with. But that’s because it’s just famous for being tankies.
“Guys, check out this thing i just did that improved my experience on this social media!”
bluescluetoothpaste:
But did you notice how irrelephant pointed out that THEY (tankies) should be entirely free to criticize whomever, wherever, however, and at whatever frequency they like…
Whereas in turn you should be allowed the freedom to… STFU about the situation?
It’s almost like there’s one rule applied to one group, while there is an entirely separate rule differently applied to the other “side”?
Watch Innuendo Studios’ The Alt-Right Playbook series (entirely free on YouTube), and you will be very glad that you did. Once you train yourself how to spot these tactics, you will never find yourself arguing with people who user toddler logic again. Ultimately, some people use logic not to arrive at any kind of Truth but instead only as a means to an end, and more often than not as a club to bash their enemies with, which is basically anyone who is vulnerable to such tactics. You cannot stop trolls from doing such, but you can prevent those tactics from working on you.
Omg you’re right! im a secret tanky, how did you figure it out!
And yes, what i desperately dont want is for you not to complain about tankies because if everyone complains about tankies enough then we’ll actually be defeated! The number one weakness for us tankies is when people complain about us, it leaves us totally powerless!!
Kudos to an entertaining reply.
Happy coming out day! 🥳
Veiled homophobic insult, really? So what if i suck dick, what’s that got to do with anything?
you know whats really annoying? u
Yeah it’s annoying when someone makes you feel dumb, i get that.
i was being silly because he is overreacting lol people are too serious around here
Me too i was being silly when i downvoted you 😜
I know. He’s still complaining about them after blocking them though…
I suspect they’re complaining about this thread where OP is griping about it, not the fact that OP blocked the instance.
:shrug:
People are people and we all hate drama but we all participate in drama, so y’know… heh
I have never noticed any problem with lemmy.ml.
Block all the low-quality meme/image content if lemmy feels tiring. Stop consuming garbage.
“Saying this as someone who considers themselves a leftist”
Which country do you consider yourself a leftist in?
The only country there is, of course, Brazil
Fair enough, there was a chance you were from the usa and claiming to be a leftist, I was going to laugh at you.
Good work on the shaving!
I think you can be legitimately a Leftist but also not insane. There’s a lot of posters over in that part of Lemmy who talk like they’d be overjoyed at the idea of rounding up everyone who’d ever expressed a view to the right of Trotsky, on Day Zero, and sending them to the gulags for being an Enemy of the Revolution.
there are those but they’re not that many. i’ve blocked like 3 users from .ml that were basically posting nothing but pro-russian ragebait (and an alt of one of them ban evading a 30 day ban) and it’s mostly fine
they’re just very very loud, but if you just block a few users you can have a nice time
Now you are definitely from the usa
They’re also somewhat lacking in enough self-awareness to realize when they’re really not presenting a good case for themselves.
(edit oh wait nm I just spotted it’s a 2-week-old account being obnoxious, easy one for the block list)
THERE IS ONLY THE US
;-)
Hay thats what I say about .world and pfied.
I’m on .ml and just don’t see this. I moved here from .world after the cat food ban. The stupidity burned too much for me to stay there. I’m unsubscribed to most of the lemmy communities where the political crap is, so maybe that helps.
Should i ask what the “cat food ban” was?
It’s a long story but basically after some stupid drama, lemmy.world banned discussion of cat food unless there was scientific evidence presented that the cat food was healthy for the cat. The drama had been about vegan cat food discussions in the vegan discussion group. Vegan cat food turns out to be a thing and appears to have enough approvals to be sold in pet stores, but people on .world wanting to talk about it should come over here to .ml. No I wasn’t a participant in the vegan group discussion itself. I made some posts in the surrounding drama thread that you can probably find in my .world profile from shortly after I joined.
oh man, I forgot about that shit. I’m pretty sure I got banned from some communities for that.
🤷 I just blocked them back and moved on.
??? I’m still confused.
Lemmy.world’s admin (not community mods but the actual instance admin) decreed that lemmy.world was going to be like Wikipedia, where anything controversial that you posted had to be accompanied by a research citation, more or less. The specific statement under dispute was that brand XYZ vegan cat food was ok to feed to your cat. A bunch of idiots howled “cats are obligate carnivores, hur hur! They can’t survive on a vegan diet! Mods, delete that comment!!!” and the site admin sided with the idiots. So I had to escape from the stupidity. Are you still confused? Btw the vegan cat food is perfectly fine for cats as far as I can tell. No I’m not about to go look for
diffslinks so some of those details may be garbled by now.I don’t think the citation policy was ever enforced on anything else, but anything that crazy is hard to forget.
.world also defederated hexbear because it didn’t like hexbear’s politics, but I’m a regular on hexbear’s covid community (which is pretty good and not that political) so I had to go elsewhere for it. I can still reach it from .ml but this convinced me that the federation model is a failure. There’s no giant Spez overlord who can censor you, but there are 100 petty instance admins who can censor you instead. I’m still on Lemmy to stay away from Spez though.
I mean just to be clear veterinarians and animal welfare groups disagree with you and to be honest it is wrong to force an animal to follow your belief system when it isn’t a natural system for them.
They still shouldn’t have banned people talking about it though. Part of what makes group discussions so good is that you can call shit out and point out stupidity. And the ones with citations win and the ones with feelings well, get laughed at I guess. But to require it is probably not the right move.
Well, raising livestock for meat to feed to your cat doesn’t sound so natural for the meat animal either ;). But, I was less bothered by the vegan-ethics stuff in that thread than the just plain stupidity. And no it’s generally not worthwhile calling out stupidity in that type of thread, when the stupidity is coming from a hive mind. All you can do to keep your sanity is nope out.
Humans have raised livestock for around 11000 years and most estimates place cat domestication at around 2000 with even the oldest most generous estimates placing it at 9500 so yes it is a natural part of humanity and domestication.
Animals eat other animals. Has been that way since the beginning of life.
Feeding your carnivorous animal tofu and vegetable blends with no meat ever even when medical animal doctors tell you that’s stupid and killing the animal isnt natural at all. And that’s probably only existed for about as long as the disease of social media has.
You should never force an animal to eat a diet its evolution has ruled out. The people that do this think they know best and none of them are veterinarians they are just crazy people who want to force their beliefs on all living things whether it kills them or not. Because killing the animals is super bad unless its by starvation of the nutrients their body needs and then its ok, I guess?
Also you said “and the admins sided with the idiots” when bringing this up implying that people who think cats should eat what they have always eaten are idiots and not the ones who will force their diet on any living thing, killing them be damned! Those people that would force their beliefs on living things even when it kills them are abusive idiots in my opinion and I hope their cats run away from them and go eat birds and shit to get their strength back.
There’s hiveminds and then there’s “hey evolution and modern science combined both can tell you this is a bad idea and going to kill this animal”. Pointing that out doesn’t make them a hivemind.
where anything controversial that you posted had to be accompanied by a research citation, more or less
WHAT that is BONKERS
Well you can find the actual wording, but I think it didn’t have much effect except that one discussion. The edict was issued and otherwise forgotten about.
Still crazy it was even a thing lol. What a concept. And then to weaponize it. Against vegans. All of it is increasingly absurd and ridiculous. Thank you for sharing it with me.
!Memes@lemmy.ml is mostly Russia/China propaganda.
Yeah because Lemmy is so important that Russia and China need to astroturf it, lol. Maybe people have different views and understanding of the world than yours? Not everything is fucking propaganda.
I don’t think Russia and China target Lemmy. I think a lot of people on Lemmy have been kicked off other platforms for blindly buying into foreign propaganda just because they hate the US.
It’s propaganda when you post memes about how the Tiananmen Square massacre didn’t happen.
No one should be believing 100% of anything that any government says. Not the US. Not China. Not Russia. Not South Korea or North Korea.
A sane take? In this thread?
Go back to reddit
Go back to lemmy.ml
Also, which part isn’t sane?
You’re saying their are governments you should trust 100% about everything?
Or that you disagree with him when he says he doesn’t think the countries China and Russia are targeting Lemmy?
Because if you believe either that’s actually insane.
More likely you got butthurt because he said all you crazy fucks got banned from other public spaces so naturally congregated to one that only bans people that disagree with you.
I’m on .ml, learn how federation works
Propaganda is the deliberate spreading of biased or misleading information, ideas, or rumors to influence public opinion and shape how people think and act. Instead of presenting all sides of an issue, it uses emotional appeal and selective facts to promote a specific cause, group, or leader. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]
don’t need to be an astroturfer to do this. lots of people who genuinely push their beliefs use propaganda to push it.
Good thing you’re immune, though.
I just switch to my subscribed instances when I get tired of All.
I just moved to lemmy.zip from dbzer0 and before that, world, mainly because I want to be the one blocking, I don’t want my instance to block for me. I must not be subscribed to the right places, because I just don’t see a whole lot of CCP/RUS apologia? I’m pretty good at passing over shit I know I won’t agree with though, so it might just not be registering.
Dotzip does have default blocks on new accounts iirc, you should check this if it’s of importance to you.
Isn’t that only PieFed.zip, but not Lemmy.zip that has the default instance blocks? I am fairly certain that this is the case, but even so could still be wrong:-).
Tangentially, the transparency surrounding this issue is abysmal.
Oh, it is also remotely possible that simply nobody on that instance has signed up to those communities yet - it requires at least one local subscriber to pull in new content.
Another possibility is the admins having blocked the specific communities even if not the entire instance. There is no way to tell which these are, as the Lemmy devs decided to not expose that information to users (fwiw, neither does PieFed).
Unsure about our piefed side, but default blocks are definitely in for the Lemmy end. See this post:
To help new users settle in to Lemmy, we’ve added some of what we call “Default Blocks” to your account. These are instances where the content is quite graphic (NSFW) or very political in nature.
Oh that’s really neat, thanks for sharing!!:-)
From other comments here, I am piecing together the fact that - probably since instance blocks don’t truly exist in Lemmy - the Lemmy side implements these blocks as “community” ones, while the PieFed side either does the same and I simply did not comprehend the difference at the time or else it might use PieFed’s instance blocking functionality. Someone on the PieFed side could test this by looking at this OP to see if comments from people on a blocked-by-default instance (Hexbear.net?) are visible, since those would be hidden by an instance block but not a community one.
Either way, having such optional functionality even further strengthens my respect of the .zip pair of instances - those admins seem really on the ball, working hard to truly care for the people who join:-). Lemmy vs. PieFed software seems far less relevant than having such a great admin team vs. not.
Pro russia propaganda is generally contained in ml own communities. The tiresome thing for me is zionist tolerant instances and communities and fake palestinians supporter who both side the colonizers and the colonized or defend rhe democrats support for the colonizers
No I seem them regularly spreading pro russian propaganda and demeaning jabs against ukrainans in .world communities. The instance has to many disgusting users for it to be waved away with the “few bad apples” defense
“A few bad apples” is not a defense, it’s a condemnation. A few bad apples spoil the bunch.
The instance has to many disgusting users for it to be waved away with the “few bad apples” defense
Meanwhile .world has Zionists modding it’s major coms
My argument was not to say that there is only few bad apples on the ml just that in my experience I don’t see their propaganda that much often outside of their bubble
Fair enough. I seem to notice them pushing it everywhere.
When everything is extreme and far right, any attempt to common sense will seem far far to the left.
If this thread was talking about universal heathcare, or how to give people actual equal rights, or how to improve public education, or how eliminate modern fascism from western politics, or how the US governmemt should be reformed from the ground up we would be talking all day, and likely agreeing in a lot of points.
But i don’t think North Korea is a good place to live in, my brother.
Yankees would rather keep believing that north korean women casually travel with 200kg bags of rice than stop pushing nazis as “progressive reformists”
and when the vast majority of the population is in the middle, and you’re on the extreme, you’ll think they are against you.
when what they really think is you are weird and annoying and you should shut up because you’re talking about shit that nobody wants or even cares about.
you should shut up because you’re talking about shit that nobody wants or even cares about.
Dont want to see that stuff? Then use your block feature. You will get way better results then just telling other people to comment/post less doofus.
The exact same criticism was levied against abolitionists and suffragettes
I see vast majority in the far right though, swallowing the pill, starting proof is how they vote, the hate for immigration, the normalization of genocide, denying of scientific method , as in flat earthers, anti vaccines, podcasters and youtubers who didn’t study shit spreading misinformation as science, etc, trillionares advocating for destroying public services and keep the poor ,poorest, normalization of "coliving’ and ultra small habitation as a normal thing, etc. I could keep on with examples whole day long.
you spend too much time on feeding the algorithms. i don’t ever see any of that shit, because i’m not interested in it.
if you only listen to crazy people, you will think everyone is crazy because you don’t ever talk to normal people, and you probably won’t pay attention to them anyway, because they arent’ saying crazy shit.
stop living to be upset and offended and you might actually realize how chill the average person is.
Damn, it’s been awhile since I’ve seen one of these “greetings fellow leftists” posts whining about .ml.
It says a lot how these always stay up but not the ones people post with actual complaints or issues.
But say ml bad and boom
It is because everyone blocked your instance.
So how often are these kind of posts going up? Everyday?
