• RiverRock@lemmy.ml
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    It gets messier when you remember that the current government of Ukraine is an ally of the Zionist entity and is providing air defense expertise to the perpetrators of the Gaza genocide, as well as participating in America’s aggression towards Iran. So while I understand the instinct, the unfortunate blunt reality is that these two sides are diametrically opposed.

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        Ukraine support for Israel preceed the invasion and Israel did nothing to help Ukraine in contrary voted against UN, resolution condrmning Russia aggression and have zero sanctions on it

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          Basically all of Europe and the US supported Israel in some fashion pre-invasion. Skip the middle man and invade Israel instead then.

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            It is wrong when Ukraine does it , it is bad when russia does it , it is bad when the usa does it , it is bad when the rest of europe does it, it is bad when china does not use it’s economical power to restrict israel . I do not advocate for attacking any middle man especially not Ukraine who is also experiencing a war of aggression on Ukraine

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        Does that matter to the people the UKR military kills in Iran and helps kill in Palestine?

        But no, the Ukranian people have not had a choice in anything since having their government surgically replaced in 2014, or for that matter since having their government illegally dissolved in 1991.

        My point with this specific post, as an olive branch to people who may not be familiar with the communist position, is not “Ukraine bad” so much as “This is what eventually happens to every American ‘ally’ no matter what promises have been made to the contrary, and other countries had best take notice”.

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        ahh, yes, what else could they do when they’re being invaded other than committing genocide. poor ukronazis!

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          OK. So they should let Russia run their tanks through their towns and take over? What’s the take here?

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            i dunno you could try and fight against the invasion or whatever cia fairy tale you tell yourself to believe you’re not a nazi yet without supporting a literal nazi state? oh yeah, the ukronazis are also fascist bastards so that’s what they want.

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              So they didn’t invade? You can call them Nazis all you like but let’s live in reality.

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                  After they started a world war and killed millions. Ever heard of the Holocaust?

                  Not really a comparison.

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                    Ever heard of the ethnic cleansing of the Donbas? The fact that the UKR regime’s attempt at a Holocaust was stopped at “only” a few thousand ethnic Russians does not make them magically not Nazis, nor does it change the perscription.

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                    Good, so we agree that simply being invaded does not suddenly put a government on the right side of history.

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        Literally no one denies that June 4, 1989 happened. What we disagree on is what happened.

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        It’s that winning combination of perfectly ignorant and perfectly smug about it that makes you people so odious. Enjoy being on the Nazi side of World War 3 I suppose. Just don’t say you weren’t warned, because you’re being warned right now.

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            Always interesting how Tankies treat Tibet like how Americans treat Natives

            We taught them how to read! That justifies it all! We went back on promises and treats and it’s their fault!! THEY DESERVED TO BE RE EDUCATED BY US

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              Do you ever read anything? Because you are obsessed with tankies and Hexbear to the point of being ridiculous and annoying.

              All you come across as is pro-fascist and pro-slavery because Tibet suffered genuine slavery before CPC came in.

              Just FYI, the Dalai Lama is a pedophile mentioned many times in the Epstein files.

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              The re-education: “So yeah, it was actually bad of the theocracy to enslave you in literal chains, rape, torture and mutilate you for fun. The poverty and abuse you experienced was not a divine punishment for your sins in past lives like the monks told you, it was inflicted on you by a class-based system of exploitation. You have value in this life comrade, not just the next. Here are some shoes.”

              We went back on promises and treats and it’s their fault!!

              Genuinely baffled by what you could even be talking about here. Are you just free-associating?

              Anyway, it’s always interesting how dronies talk about feudal Tibet the way Confederate flag guys talk about the Antebellum South:

              It was such a charming traditional society where everything was just better! There was harmony, and everyone got along and everything Just Worked. But then the big commie government came along and tyrannically enforced their woke shit about “rights for serfs” and “girls learning to read”. We treated our nantsam like family, they were happy as slaves!