• InfiniteGlitch@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    Batman created his powers

    If I remember well, Batman does not have superpowers. He’s a guy who’s rich, trains a lot, is smart and due to being rich is able to get great equipment to use.

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      One could argue that his genius level intellect and his master detective skills (best detective in the world) are borderline superhuman.

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            Exactly. We see plenty of Bruce’s physical training. But how often is he depicted designing, implementing, debugging, or maintaining any of the software that is guaranteed to be necessary for the majority of the seemingly endless well-beyond-cutting-edge technology underpinning most of his practical abilities and every one of the impressive number of deus ex machinas in the franchise?

            OK, so the only logical conclusion is that he (or Fox as proxy) outsourced most or all of it, requiring obscene wealth. Batman fans may not like it, but money is unequivocally the key super power of the troubled Wayne heir, not his genius or inventiveness. Without the money, Bruce becomes a washed-up chess boxing enthusiast at best, or a cop at worst, but definitely not Batman.

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              How often? Sometimes. A lot less often than we should. But it’s indicated that he does design a LOT of the equipment in various ways.

              Personally I’d love to see a little less Uber-Goth Batman and more of the World’s Greatest Detective.

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                it’s indicated that he does design a LOT of the equipment

                Yeah I think that was the crux of my disillusionment with the character as a young adult lol: just the constant handwavy “rest of the fucking owl” implication that Bruce has been designing something somewhere between the pages, or well before the story began, when I come to learn that thing is a difficult problem in an active research space, or has been built already but required years and hundreds of engineers and scientists to implement, and the writers apparently didn’t check because Bruce’s technical ability was just a magic hat for the plot

                the World’s Greatest Detective

                Totally with you. That was something I was happy to see them revive in the Arkhamverse. And they really nailed that aspect of the character in that franchise.

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        A long time ago, I read that his superpower was, or was theorized to be, luck. No idea if that’s canon anywhere.

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          At first I thought, not very lucky to have your parents gunned down in front of you. Now I’m thinking how lucky he was to also not be shot. Damn…

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            Possibly the hypothetical power hadn’t manifested, or maybe had done so only in part, at that point.

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          I’ve always theorized that his power is “superhuman willpower.”
          He has the massive will to obsessively train, study, and do all the things he does. Becoming one of the strongest, smartest, and most effectual people alive. I doubt any human has a higher willpower than Bruce Wayne. He has even out-willpowered Wonder Woman’s lasso-of-truth.

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            True, but wasn’t he also the only human (or otherwise, I think) to dodge Darkseid’s eyebeams? Admittedly it would take willpower to get to the point of being physically able to do so, but from what I understand of the eyebeams, also quite a bit of luck.

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              Wait, I thought he did get hit by the beams and they sent him back in time, and through what could only be described as an exceptional demonstration of determination and willpower, he worked his way back up through time- through ages & ages, to confront Darkseid again. Maybe we’re thinking of different storylines?

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            I don’t really think that would carry over canonically, or else it would but heads with Green Lantern lore. There are multiple people that seem to have more willpower than Bruce Wayne. I think the only argument to Bruce not being a Green Lantern could be that be likes to instill fear, which us a big no no for the GLs.

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      Iron Man is a better example of a superhero who created powers for himself, but he isn’t one of the three most popular

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        iron man also doesnt have powers, those are his power/battle armor, eventhen he is beaten easily by villians with superpowers.

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      His superpower is being rich enough to be called eccentric instead of just crazy. You know, crazy, like the label used on all the villains he fights.

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      due to being rich is able to get great equipment to use.

      That’s the power: gadgets. And also being a genius detective, but largely the gadgets.

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    Batman was born rich. It’s the billionaire class that want you to think they are creating wealth and not stealing it.

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      The irony is Wayne had stupid amounts of money and chose to use personal violence to stop some of the criminals in Gotham rather than funding programs that would have lifted people out of poverty and prevented far more crime, or running for office himself and setting up oversight to stop corruption and programs to offer a hand up to people.

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    I’m pretty sure Superman wasn’t born with them. He got his powers from his flyby of earth’s yellow sun in the escape pod from Krypton.

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      I thought he had powers because he was born on Krypton under a red sun, and all Kryptonians gain superhuman powers when exposed to a yellow sun.

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        But if he had stayed on Krypton, he wouldn’t have any powers, so it took an event to activate it, which isn’t any different than the other scenarios. Batman was born rich, so he already had the potential to be batman, but it took the murder of his parents to set him on his path. Really Spiderman is the odd one out.

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          Spidey’s parents and his uncle who helped raise him are all dead/murdered. All three are orphans, so that all cancels out. :-).

          Peter Parker only became spider-man once his uncle was killed, that set him on the path to use his “great power” with “great responsibility.”

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      I think it was from Kill Bill, but thrtrs a cool speech about how Superman has to put on the costume to become Clark Kent. While other hero’s have to put on the costume to become the hero.

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        Batman has been shown to consider Bruce as the alter ego. I believe he even once was under wonder woman’s lasso of truth and revealed his true identity as batman.

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      Seems a bit daft of the Kryptonian folk to stay there even if they didn’t believe their planet was doomed.

      “Move to another planet to be a nearly indestructible God who can fly and shoot lasers and stuff? No thank you. I just got my cabinets arranged how I like them and I am not going through that again.”

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    batman has no powers whatsoever. he just a very rich person, much like stark, who bought/develop tech. not really thrust as more of an accident, much like brunce banner.

    closest thing would be apocalypse the super-mutant, he was forced upon to gain celestial enhanced powers. i think juggernaut is another one, as is lady deathstrike? another one is phoenix.

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      He has also trained himself to pretty much the peak of human limits, so there’s that. Which is usually listed in other superheroes’ lists of powers.

      In different incarnations he’s also heavily involved in the design of the various tech, it’s more than just “being rich”. That’s really understating both characters.

      But I would call super suits and super tech as “powers” in the way they’re frequently talked about. Uber-genius intellects maybe.

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        In the original comics Batman used to be mostly a detective. Looking for clues, evidence, then tying up criminals for the cops to find (afaik). I’d love a show like “True Detective” but with Batman. Anyway so his powers would be peak of human limits and super intelligent and gadgets.

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      Batman and Stark both have significant physics bending powers. It’s more obvious with Stark, but both of them have made plenty of things that have bend the laws of physics pretty drastically.

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        That’s the comic’s suspension of disbelief working. In canon they have no powers other than engineering and funding.

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    Batman saw a bat fly through his window and then made himself everyone else’s problem. Classic rich guy behavior.

    Superman was an “immigrant” from a wealthy family back home and made himself everyone else’s problem by way of his massive built-in upward mobility

    Spider-Man probably did a drug and died falling out a window and every single person he knew was like “we shall also be Spider-Man.”

    Edit: I don’t cite so don’t ask.

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      In the original story Batman has “bat senses” that allow him to hear the conversations of criminals, a bit like The Shadow. It used to be believed by some that bats could sense in the “ether”, sn invisible river in which electromagnetic energy flowed, this was before echo location was proven.