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Good. There will be choice.
I like this attitude. I think if the LLMs weren’t forced down everyone throats, there would be a lot less hostility towards them
It’s just so suspiciously and aggressively being shoved down our throats.
Yes, it’s not the technology I hate, it’s the people pushing it, demanding it, saying it will replace humans. Those people can fuck right off. Technology exists to serve humans, not the other way around. We are being sold a lie. The technology has some interesting aspects, but the pushers are pushing bullshit.
Alright. Hang the fuck on.
Class war.
Technology is incapable of doing anything. It literally can do nothing. It can be used as a tool for sure.
It’s currently being used to fuck you. It’s fucking me. It’s fucking us.
BUT ONLY AT THE DIRECTION OF BILLIONAIRES
Class War
You can say that again.
Class warfare.
What is good for?
Technology has always replaced humans though. That’s ultimately the point. The problem becomes when there aren’t alternatives for humans to do but we still live in a capitalistic and consumeristic society.
I think everyone want’s their lives to be easier, but they also want to be able to eat, survive and thrive.
They want to make everybody dependent upon AI for information that will then be used to misinform people in order to control them.
I’ve been saying this for years. Look at taxi’s. In my city in 2005 there were 8 major taxi companies. Each with hundreds of drivers on the road at any given time. Now we have 2 of those 8 remaining, and they’re essentially shell companies with 2-3 drivers on the road. The last 4 times I’ve tried ordering a cab the traditional way, I’ve been told there’s no drivers available. Now it’s all Uber. And Lyft. You can’t call them. You need a cell phone, and you need internet access.
All the major corporations are in agreement that we all need cell phones, and we all need to be tracked 24/7. And now with AI, they’re getting their data straight from the source. There are men out there who talk to an AI girlfriend. Not sexy stuff. I mean imagine sitting at the dinner table, and discussing your day…with your AI girlfriend. Meanwhile, ALL that data is going straight to the companies that host the AI.
Another side effect is that AI will make people dumber. In case you haven’t noticed since the 1970s, there has been a GOP push to make the citizens dumber and dumber. Easier to control. Easier to fool. Easier to get away with things.
So now you got ram being sold for computers that haven’t been built yet, to be put in data centers that haven’t been built yet, to run an AI system that isn’t functional yet, in order to steal the jobs of employees that can’t be replaced yet, all in an effort to chase profits that were never possible in the first place since everyone hates AI.
You wanna see some shit go down? Tell the companies we’ll use their AI if they get the unredacted epstein files released. See how fast they bribe the right people then.
Now tell the politicians we’ll stop caring about the epstein files if they forcibly ban all data centers in the country. See how fast they act on that.
Now we sit back, wait, and watch the fireworks. Oh, and by the way, we’re going back on our word either way. Whomever wins, fuck em.
Oh, and by the way, we’re going back on our word either way. Whomever wins, fuck em.
I like your energy.
I find it all very “people writing text/code by hand on a computer they own isn’t generating subscription revenue and can’t be data mined by advertisers and governments as it’s passing through a data center unencrypted”-type suspicious…
If big tech corners the market, we have no choice but to come to them for compute. You can stifle speech, control markets, awareness of new developments before they’re public.
It’s a power grab.
Regardless, they have no control over upstream packages. Are they going to move away from the linux kernel 100%?
I’d assume that this deals with stuff that the Debian project maintains itself, like the package files. Like, it doesn’t mean that they won’t package code that has been written using AI.
They’re definitely going to be building it from source and delivering those packages though.
Im also certain they’re not going it catch it all in their own packages.
I hate ai as much as the next person, but I’d have a different mandate. I would require all code to be fully reviewed and understood by a human. Let’s call it quality control.
Agreed. It’s not sensible or practical to ban AI, and Linus is right. Why is Linus right? Take a look at the number of Linux CVEs being patched over time. In 2022-23, that was about 300 per year. Last year it was 5530. This is almost entirely as a result of AI scanning tools, including Copy Fail priv escalation that was there for 8 years. The security apocalypse is just about arrived, and the most recent round of cyber models coming out do this way better than before. The Hugging Face incident story was truly unbelievable if you read / watch the details, a historic event. Everything is about to get hacked. So it’ll be all about maintainers being reactive to this new reality and burden for some time to come
There is a difference between using AI scanning tools and generating code for production
And also have high readability standards, ideally higher than before LLMs.
Read the article, that is one of the two options they are voting on.
This is the way. Cat is out of the bag now so need to figure out responsible usage.
Fortunately we have a method for that for a long time now: PRs. If you approve it, you are responsible for that approval.
Ubuntu: The Windows of Linux.
5-10 years from now they will pull their Windows 11-equivalent crash and burn move
With RAM prices what they are the push for snaps may already be this… On memory constrained systems snaps already have a huge performance penalty.
Canonical the Microsoft linux
No, that would be Azure Linux
I think technically that might have been Lindows.
I thought Ubuntu was the macOS of Linux and the Windows of Linux is Omarchy
Canonical patronizingly forcing a tool/workflow onto users against their explicit and unequivocal rejection of it?
That’s not what the articles says or implies at all. The article only refers to another article with a click bait headline. The article article summarizes Canonical stance like this:
- Canonical will add AI to Ubuntu — but only cautiously and when it truly makes sense.
- AI features must be mature, open-source, and run locally when possible.
- Focus AI on accessibility (speech-to-text, TTS) and improvements, not turning Ubuntu into an ‘AI product’.
And to be clear, including a tool or default workflow is MILES away from patronizingly forcing it on to users. It’s just the way that most distros that aren’t Linux From Scratch work.
Problem is, Ubuntu’s track record with projects like Upstart, Unity, Mir, Snap, Netplan, Amazon integration, the Rust coreutils rewrite, etc. makes the “only cautiously and where it truly makes sense” promise seem rather hollow.
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Yes. And many users have many times done exactly that.
But I’ve BEEN there for the bitter, insulting interviews where Shuttleworth STILL moans and complains that Unity was the future and users were too thick to accept his vision. After they realized too many people were switching back to Gnome, they decided to put a stop to that by making Unity the only default installed DE and providing no further support. This is a company run by a man who by all accounts is a petty dictator who still doesn’t get it.
I already left Ubuntu. That doesn’t mean I don’t get to call them out for being heavy handed and pigheaded. Just because something is open source and free does not make it immune to criticism. Just like I am free to go to another distro, Ubuntu’s developers are free to ignore my comments.
The article is good, but the headline seems clickbaity:
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Debian is discussing requirements about hosting software with LLM generated code in their repos, and disclosure of that.
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“Ubuntu embraces AI” is talking about putting ML inference engines in their repos… which, ironically, are largely human written.
These are two completely seperate issues. And TBH its not clear how Debian is approaching inference engines or how Ubuntu is approaching disclosure.
As always, the actual story is in the comments. Thank you for the summary.
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Ubuntu has a long and storied history of making bad decisions. Why should AI be any different?
There’s nothing about Ubuntu’s proposed use of AI that seems bad at all. Using it to improve accessibility is a good thing, especially when it’s open source, local-only, and sandboxed. I can’t see how having high quality speech-to-text would be a bad decision. Much of that stuff is probably not even considered “AI” by most people.
My parents are coming over today because their ZorinOS installation suddenly started acting up after an Ubuntu Kernel update. Thanks Ubuntu.
Does that mean Zorin’s a goner?
Arch users are forced to write their own AI?
AI powered by the Arch Wiki and AUR
AI - Archist Intelligence
(dude this is so cringe)
Damn. I think it’s time for me to finally try Mint. Currently using 98% Ubuntu and 2% Windows because unfortunately there’s always some sort of Windows-only software I need for one reason or another. Yes I’ve tried Wine, I haven’t gotten it to work.
your saying snap-packages arent enough of a cluster-fuck to turn you off of Ubuntu?
Mint is based off of Ubuntu
There is a Debian based version called LMDE.
Do yourself a favor, do Linux Mint Debian Edition (LMDE). It’s got all the slickness of Mint, but the core is based on Debian instead of Ubuntu.
Would installing KDE plasma on LMDE be beginner-friendly.?
For the most part, that’s literally no different than just running Debian with KDE. Not sure about beginner friendly, but incredibly awesome.
What Windows software do you find that isn’t working on Linux?
I can’t speak on behalf of him, but all my old CD-ROM games from the late 90’s and early 2000s don’t work on Linux, even with Wine. I’d love to get them working one day, so I’m watching this thread
Perhaps you could try bottles? I can’t speak on it’s usefulness or not, but something else to try. https://usebottles.com/
Thanks I’ll give it a go!
For me it’s Adobe. Stupid government and other forms I need for work. No available third party software will work on some of them, and I’ve tried them all. And for some dumb reason even having an Acrobat subscription won’t let me fill them out on their (extremely buggy, by the way) web app.
Was never able to get it working with wine.
That, and the compatibility between Libreoffice (or other Linux office software) and MS Word is still terrible. I’m quite sure that’s mostly due to shenanigans by MS. So if you have to swap documents back and forth between people (e.g. with track changes) it just doesn’t work as well. And, like Adobe, the web app version of Word seems to be kneecapped in a few key places.
Not him, but I almost never boot windows, but the other day I had to change a part of a a stupid powerpoint presentation that only could be done using Powerpoint desktop app. Wine has not done so well with it, Libreoffice wouldn’t do the thing right, and browser based office can’t touch ‘master slide’ content.
Primarily Solidworks, Fusion360, Altium, and Traktor Pro. Planning to start learning about video editing soon. Also games, though I’m planning to try Bazzite soon.
Depending on the software, Winboat might be what you need.
May I recommend something fedora based? No dealing with Ubuntu or arch problems
I don’t see how a hat can fix that problem
I remember when they wanted to unify mobile phones and desktop computers, with a singular online storage account and DE that changed when you plugged your phone into a monitor. That shit was crazy.
I still want that
The best vision for that was unironically Microsoft’s, but by that time they had started the enshittification with Windows 10
What are they going to do about upstreams that use it? Like the Linux kernel for example.
Nothing, that’s out of scope.
Is ai code any worse than stackoverflow?
Except with stack overflow you can use your experience and pick the best code and onboard the comments discussing various aspects of the different answers. The LLMs don’t do that.
They can just spit out whatever the fuck they want and there’s no guidance or votes or comments. Just an averaging of everything.
Based
Oh, I didn’t know Ubuntu was a cuck OS. Good to know.
seems like every consumer-friendly version of anything is shoehorning ai into it. stupid
