… And then netflix will cancel it when it takes some time to become popular and instead produce more reality competitions edited to maximize drama at the cost of a coherent understanding of how the competition is going. And even for action shots, it’s like they are editing to show off how many angles they are shooting rather than selecting the best shots to show out of all the angles they have.
I love that series.
This has already happened. The Walking Dead was a massive phenomenon. It just atrophied due to neglect.
I didn’t even see star wars
It’s actually both anti-fascism and anti-emperialism (the American flavor)!
It’s the tl;dr of the tl;dr of Finnigans Wake. So just read that.
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WE’VE BEEN BEGGING FOR IT, FOR FUCKS SAKE.
so probably, yeah.
Image Comics will be sometime soon. Youngblood, Spawn, they’re all so amazing, I like them all so much more than marvel characters and I’m a big marvel fan. They tried spawn back in the day but I think they botched the movie pretty hard and the HBO animated series just didn’t do the og content justice.
Edit: Also, DRAGONLANCE by Margaret Weis and Tracy Hickman. Can’t believe Amazon picked up Wheel of Time instead of Dragonlance. For those of you unfamiliar with the series, it’s a high fantasy classic dungeon and dragons story. Some call it “The DnD bible”. There’s a core 6 books and then 190 additional novels - I remember going into book stores and there being an entire wall of these guys. With such a huge cult following I really can’t understand why this hasn’t been picked up.
it won’t happen because Hollywood runs on formulaic production.
Only mostly. Obviously there are a shitton of productions studios prioritizing profit over all else, so they will always gravitate toward “safe” options like reboots and sequels and ripoffs.
But then occasionally you get a movie like Obsession, which was made for less than $1 million, and is actually reasonably unique. Or Flow, which was made for €3.5 million using open source graphics software, and is also unique.
Just because Hollywood mostly runs on regurgitated slop, doesn’t mean there aren’t successful movies which are more art than commercial.
For anyone wanting to get into screenwriting and filmmaking, this is this is the key. An excellent story made cheaply is the way to get new IP to market. Hollywood is much more willing to take a risk when it doesn’t cost them much.
Hot take: thing that has happened organically since the dawn of entertainment will continue to happen organically
This isn’t a hot take. It’s about as “predictive” as saying eventually there will be another sports star or viral website. The question is when it will happen, not if.
And whoever figures out the how stands to make a truckload of money
Since you mentioned sports. I wonder if there will ever be a new sport that rises to the level of football, etc. in our lifetimes? That seems far less likely.
Start watching ESPN8: The Ocho and see which sports are on the verge of breaking containment to the mainstream.
Banana Ball is the next new sport. It might not beat the NFL in my lifetime, but I could see it shaking up the big 4.
I wonder what the newest popular sport is
I hear about pickle ball all the time now, never did before
“A popular media franchise will start sometime in the next 60 years” is a 0 Kelvin take.
Harry Potter is the one that comes to mind. Also Game of Thrones if you’d like. Both really blew up, have spin offs and staying power. Harry Potter has toys, video games, and amusement parks.
Don’t know why you’re downvoted. This is exactly where my mind went too. Nobody said they had to be good, just new.
I never downvote if somebody is adding to the conversation, but I suspect people start to act shitty because JK Rowling raises their hackles.
Because those aren’t new?
They’re newer than Star Wars.
That’s not really the point though. The post isn’t about something new since Star Wars. The idea is something new with a similar scope and scale of Star Wars. They’re not using that as an example of the last thing that was made.
If you think Harry Potter doesn’t have the scale of Star Wars then you’re crazy. As proof of this, Universal built their Harry Potter lands, and Disney tried to compete with their Star Wars land. They’re pretty equal in scale. (Well, unless you mean the scale of their universe, but that’s silly.)
for one, harry potter is older than MCU
It’s not older than Marvel. Yeah, it’s older than the current thing, but they’ve been making Marvel movies my entire life. Spiderman is Marvel.
It says “in our lifetimes” though. HP is in pretty much all of our lifetimes. There are some people younger, but I don’t think very many.
You’ve misunderstood their comment.
Did I? The OP is obviously discussing the market share, or culture share. HP obviously is similar to SW. If they meant the number of other pieces of media then sure, SW is bigger, but not for the same point in time. HP is much larger for how old it is.
If I’m still misunderstanding, would you care to explain, rather than just saying it’s misunderstanding it?
Well I absolutely do not think Harry Potter has the same scale as Star Wars. It’s not nearly as well thought out or as extensive or is interconnected. It was written by a brain dead Turf who had had to retcon every single book because she couldn’t keep her thoughts straight after when she wrote the next one.
However that was absolutely not the point I was making.
I don’t think you’re aware of how poorly written most of Star Wars is then.
Yes, the writer for HP sucks, and the books are poorly written, but that’s not really relevant to this discussion. Just watch the sequels of Star Wars especially for how poorly written it is. None of this affects the original premise of the post. There are other things written significantly better that aren’t as popular, but the OP wasn’t talking about those.
If you want to argue that only the original series of SW matters, that has a tiny scale. It hardly explains anything and it just exists in a universe that isn’t explained. The OP isn’t talking about just the original trilogy.
Obviously there’s more SW content though, but it’s had a few decades head start. The point is the HP is a similar scale for the same time period (if anything, it’s significantly larger).
1990s isn’t new enough? Then how about Frozen? That started in the 2000s.
Okay this is beside the point because you’re reading it wrong. But no Frozen does not count. In any way whatsoever. That is nowhere close to the scale and scope of what we’re talking about.
hot take: a new Star Wars or Marvel will emerge in our lifetimes. something completely original and not based on 50+ year old intellectual property…
The original post said a new “Star Wars” not and then not an IP from over 50 years ago. Not that the IP just came out this year or however you want to define “new”.
The very first Harry Potter book came out came out in 1997, which was almost 30 years ago. A Game Of Thrones came out in 1996, exactly 30 years ago. Both blew up and were massive cultural touchstones, not unlike how Star Wars is/was.
I’m not sure how you’re missing this. Get off of Star Wars. That was just an example. Nothing about that post says there’s been nothing new since Star Wars. Star Wars and Marvel were used as examples of huge culturally significant interconnected universes. Massive intellectual properties. That’s the point of the post. They’re saying there’s going to be a new one of that scale sometime in the future. In no way are they saying nothing new has been created since Star Wars. If you read it that way you read it incorrectly.
literally true, but i think choosing only marvel and star wars as examples implies the questioner doesn’t think there was anything new between marvel and now
I mean I don’t think it implies that at all. But I do agree the internet has a habit of reading things that way because the internet is psychotic. What’s that old post about if you say you like pancakes someone’s going to say oh so you hate waffles? Like that.
No shit Star Wars was an example of an IP that was a cultural touchstone. That’s the whole point of the post. That a massive IP would come out, but would have been original and created in the last 50 years (sorry Lord of the Rings).
And you can’t tell me that Harry Potter nor Game of Thrones haven’t reached a cultural significance. The post said nothing about interconnected universes, you should really get off that, since you seem to have inferred that from who knows where. If you say to a random person “Winter is coming” or “Voldemort” or hell, even “Potter” almost everyone is going to think of either IP. Those are examples of a cultural touchstone from the last 30 years.
You seem to be thinking they said nothing came out since Star Wars. That was absolutely 1,000% not what they’re saying. They could have said Harry potter. They could have said game of thrones. Those are two other examples that would have made their point for them. They just chose star wars. I don’t know how to say this any clearer. I don’t understand what you’re not getting.
Ok, let’s start over, since you don’t seem to be getting it. Stop getting hung up on Star Wars. No shit they chose Star Wars.
OP said an example of Massive IP, and put forth that there’ll be a new, original one that will have been created within the last 50 years. With me so far?
Someone said they didn’t know why I was being down voted. You said
Because those aren’t new?
The examples I gave fit the criteria of the statement: other examples of original IPs that were created after 1976 to become massive IPs. These IPs were just other examples of newer IPs. Still with me? The OP stated some criteria and there are already examples that fit that criteria. There will continue to be other examples that fit that criteria as time goes on, ad nausem.
So off the bat, your original comment on this thread and on other other threads seem off base. There will always be a new, original IP that blows up. That’s a nothing burger. Naturally, culture will find something new to obsess about, something that resonates with people. Should my comment have just been to read the post and say, “Yes, how thought provoking! There could be someone who is starting to come up with ideas right now that will become a massive IP later. How deep!”? If that’s your correct interpretation that I’m not “getting”, no shit. That’s nothing to discuss because it’s so obvious.
Talking about other examples is a way to create conversation on this thread. People can debate if Pokemon, or Jurassic Park, or even the Simpsons fit the criteria. What other examples of IPs have come out after 1976 fit? Maybe these IPs don’t at the moment, but they might blow up in the near future, not unlike how Snoopy has really blown up more recently.
Maybe Snoopy will be the next big thing, could you imagine? Some cultural touchstone that has come back after it’s heyday. That’s not unlike Marvel, where they were big for a while, faced bankruptcy, and then became huge in the last 10 years. That’s more interesting, and worth discussing than to just post “Oh my god, how true.” That’s something that you don’t seem to get.
To extend the “that will never work” part, for “Game of Thrones” author George R R Martin once said,
From basically the mid-’80s through the mid-’90s, I was involved in television. Whenever I turned in the script in my first draft, I would always get the reaction, “George, we love it, but it’s five times our budget, so… Can you go back and cut things?
And when I finally left television and film and went into prose in the mid-90s, I said, I don’t care about that anymore, I’m going to write something just as big as my imagination, I’m going to have all the characters I want, and gigantic castles, and dragons, and direwolves, and hundreds of years of history, and a really complex plot, and it’s fine because it’s a book. It’s essentially unfilmable.
Jurassic Park also landed somewhere in there. Lord of the Rings is hard to say where it exists because the book to movie gap
it helps they are pretty much legacy franchises that had an original story. MCU is not that, disney tries too hard to tie them all into a smorgasbord shows. i think the pre-disney marvel shows were much better(the ones that were cancelled by disney because of the merger).
Also Game of Thrones if you’d like.
That’s exactly the one I was thinking of. It was extremely influential on TV and pop culture, in the same way that Star Wars was for film.
I was about to bring up those as well. The next closest that didn’t really hit the “spin-off” level was the hunger games, but definately could.
There are several new things in the same universe, so I wouldn’t say there aren’t spin-offs. They’re still going. I would say this is one of the many correct answers for this.
“Hot take, in the next 60-70 years, someone will create some original media”
Yes, that’s one hot take indeed…
The Skibidi Toilet Cinematic Universe. 87 movies. Each more popular than the last.
My autistic son has done this with Doodland. It’s an imaginary country in the eastern block with their own culture.
The #1music artist the last 7 years is Dooda Lipa.
They love horror movies in Doodland too.
Man I’m here for the Doodmatic Universe
87 movies
C’mon, how did you miss that so badly lmao
I think this post just ignores a lot of things out there.
The book Jurassic Park was released in 1990, and the film released in 1993. Since then we’ve had a handful of films and other spin-offs, all within the last 50 years.
The book The Hunger Games was released in 2008, and the film released in 2012. Since then we’ve had a handful of films and I would bet many more to come.
What about the Pokemon media franchise? Originally released in 1996 and is one of the largest franchises with video games, TV shows, movies and everything else.
If we count tv franchises, Game of Thrones and The Handmaid’s Tale are pretty big ones based on pretty recent books
Nah, of those you list I’d say only Pokemon hits the same level.
There are a lot of popular IPs, but at the same level of Star Wars and Marvel?
I’m not even sure if it’s still possible. The availability of everything over the internet divided people lot more over what they like.
The same level as Marvel is such a tricky question.
While Marvel comics have been around and popular for way more than 50 years, they’ve only been popular as comics.
Look at Marvel as a popular IP when Pokemon released, their most successful product is probably the 70s Incredible Hulk TV series. In fact the company was doing so poorly is went through bankruptcy.
Selling the rights of their major properties to Fox and Sony, the late 90s and early 2000s give us Blade, X-Men and our first Spider-Man film. That’s when Marvel really starts to pick up.
But of course those really ultimately fizzled out. Sure the Fox X-Men were huge. The Sony Spider-Man was huge (more the Sam Raimi films). But those are similar comparisons to the Jurassic Park and Hunger Games franchises.
But the Marvel Cinematic Universe? Kicked off in 2008 as an idea, but really given the push once Disney aquired Marvel. Push heavily on that for the last 20ish years. Now that’s THE Marvel powerhouse we’re talking about.
So sure, Marvel has been around for 50+ years, but the level of Marvel that makes it what it is, that’s just the last 20 years.
I thought Skylanders, personally
I don’t think so. Because nobody can get the funding for anything original anymore. Its all cobtroles by business men and everyone wants as much profit as possible. Also one of the reasons everything is so bland and pg 13.
I’d like to counter with the example of Terminator, the original one was done almost entirely via guerilla filming and had a shoestring budget, seriously they made money on the nightclub scene because people just kinda started to show up to their illegal set since guerilla nightclubs were also a thing at the time. All it would take for a similar success is someone just kinda getting lucky and getting popular through word of mouth.
Hell even Star Wars had a fuck all budget initially and Lucas was 100 percent ready to just do a new hope and then switch over to books and comics, then it turned into a massive cultural success.
Apparently Lucas put it in the contract that he had the rights to any sequels and the studio was okay with that clause because they didn’t expect it to be successful enough to have sequels
If memory serves right he renegotiated at some point during filming to more or less retain all rights cause the studio thought it was going to be a flop, he even got the merchandise sales. I imagine those executives were on suicide watch pretty damned quick. Given how even during this lackluster Disney era Star Wars still generates an absurd amount of money through merchandise alone I suspect that has to be one of the biggest fuck ups in film rights period.
For an of-the-moment example, look at The Backrooms. Started as a series of YouTube videos some kid put together, now it’s a successful theatrical release with a sequel in development.
It’s not this generation’s Star Wars and as a horror property it doesn’t really have that potential, but to act like it’s impossible now is blowing things out of proportion.
It actually started out as weird photos on 4chan long before it got to YouTube, it’s a lot like SCP in that it’s a type of folk horror project. It grew out of the early liminal space art scene which has been going on and off since the 90s at least but hadn’t reached maturity until around when the Backrooms popped up, though everything from Silent Hill to Kubricks The Shing have played around with elements that would merge into the movement.
Also you’d be surprised how often horror breaks into the mainstream, just to go back to the Terminator franchise T1 is explicitly a tension building thriller which is argue is a type of horror.
Also just a bit of bitching but why do people think that the Terminator timeline is a closed loop? It’s stated as early as T2 that Judgement Day was delayed meaning that the Terminator timeline is either an unstable loop or a simple branching timeline, hell John may not have even existed until the first instance of time travel it couldve been Sarah leading the resistance and sent Kyle back and accidentally created John. Aight Terminator bitching over with.
