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No, we need more rail. Enough with cars.
And dedicated bike lanes.
I’d take more Heavy rail, light rail, bike lanes, better city layouts, AND cheap electric cars.
I walked past a Tesla showroom recently and they had one car on the floor that they still sell, one that they haven’t sold in decades, a frame to a car that’s out of production, and a robot they still don’t produce. They used to have more cars out then they stopped producing them. The stock is still high somehow.
The original roadster is still so cool to me. I wish a small relatively light ev sports car was sold in the US. I don’t want a barge with 800 HP I’d much rather have something nimble with a quarter of the power.
There was very little original with the roadtser. The chassis is just a Lotus Elise that they stuffed an EV drivetrain into.
And there are some small ones. The Kia EV3 is 201hp and under 30k.
Yeah I know and that’s exactly why it was good, because the elise already had an incredible sports car chassis.
The EV3 seems like a fine commuter but is certainly not a sports car in weight, shape, chassis, or suspension. It’s just another compact crossover, seemingly a good one, but not really what I’m talking about. In the US the closest thing is probably the Mini Cooper SE, but it’s still heavier and less powerful than the original roadster.
Imagine if Mazda made an mx-5 EV or Toyota made an 86 EV.
Mazda confirmed the next generation of MX-5 will include EV and petrol powertrain options.
Hell yeah. Hopefully it comes to all of their markets unlike the Mazda 6e
I bought a used 2023 Hyundai Ioniq 5 for $25k. 30k miles. I know its still not cheap, but the ask the batteries have a 100k+ warranty.
77kW 220-280 miles at 100% (though I rarely go beyond 90% for battery life). 0-60 in 4.5 seconds, all wheel drive, CCS charger with NACS adapters available. Tesla chargers max at 96kW just fyi, idk why. But a lot of quick chargers work better, there’s 2 65xkW, 4x180kW near me. There’s a 4x375kW and a 4x400kW on a regular distance trip I take. Those are stupid fast charging.
A standard 120v is 1.4kW max, and it works out to about 10%/11hrs. A 240v is much better (i can’t remember maybe its like 10kW) charges fully in about 8 hours.
Kia and Hyundai are awesome EVs. I’ve heard good things about Subaru’s. The Chevy Bolt I’ve heard less good about. Toyota’s EVs are disappointing. Avoid Polestar - they aren’t allowed to sell in the US anymore anyway, but the car has a fancy interior and is fun to drive until the AC stops working. And it’s got weird software license gates for hardware it has.
Also don’t find reasons to funnel money to Musk.
Subaru and Toyota’s EVs are the same cars with mild restyles, both should be similar mechanically and reliability wise. The Uncharted is definitely the nicest of the bunch in my mind, though.
2027 Chevy Bolt driver here 👋. Urban car-dependent locale unfortunately.
Freaking love the Bolt. Got some good incentives and bought new, which felt sorta foolish at the time. Never ever bought new before. (But there were no used models under like 100,000 miles around us, and they were old ones with slow charging.)
It is a touch smaller than our CR-V, but they vastly improved this model and I enjoy it a lot. The LT was quite affordable, and I don’t ask for much luxury. (IMHO my Honda Element was the best car ever.)
There’s also third party module to get Android auto to work, I’m considering that.
I can say one thing though, even though having a payment sucks, I feel vindicated every time I drive by $6 gas.
Hehehehe I DO get that vindication.
I really like my '23 Bolt EUV. I bought it when it was new, and it’s been perfectly reliable ever since. Like you, it was the first time I ever bought new. I’ve got no regrets!
I recently heard that Honda might be bringing the Element back in a few years. I hope it’s true. I really wanted an Element when they were still in production, but couldn’t afford one back then
They keep teasing it over and over. AGH. It kills me! Like every year a new bunch of articles pop up to generate clicks. I can never tell when it’s real! Lol
And I thought I was CRAZY for thinking “Could I EV convert it?” (Could fix stuff with YouTube. Not a mechanic.)
Well, now I see converting cars becoming a big thing. But sadly I screwed up the whole engine by snapping a 10mm gooseneck bolt deep in some crevice deep down in there, and it was leaking oil, and I had to sell it for scrap because we needed to get to work. Tragic. I got almost 200,000 miles out of it. :( :(
…at least now I know how a new very simple way to sabotage a vehicle hardcore in a way no mechanic or machinist would dare bother with it. (Ask me how I know Lol)
Maybe that Element EV will be a thing. I know EVs like to chase high efficiency / low drag but they need to not be afraid to be boxy for the right audience instead of jelly beans! XD
Haha well it didn’t have much of a reputation for efficiency, did it? I heard it would come back as a hybrid though, which might be cool if they can pull it off without sacrificing too much interior space.
Hahaha yeah, it was a bit of a brick! 😂 25MPG on a good day wasn’t bad though.
But I mean hey, if Rivian can make those gargantuan Amazon vans electric, I’m sure Honda could figure it out for us. 😉 With enough infrastructure, range is pretty negotiable!
Might just have to raise the interior floor a bit to fill it with battery or make the hood space a little less snubby. :p
Would be super cool though. I’d be all over that haha.
For 240V most people use a dryer outlet which is 30 amps. 30A x 240V = 7.2kW before resistance and conversion losses, etc. Use a 50 amp circuit and outlet and you can achieve 12kW with the same stipulations.
240V can vary depending on the amperage and what the individual charger can handle. Power = Voltage x Current. I ran a 60A line, but for continuous loads you can only do 80%, so I get 240V x 48A which is about 11.5kW. There are always losses, so 10ish is a fair guess for real world time expectations.
As a Bolt EUV owner, I’m very envious of your charge speeds on the road, even though I wouldn’t make much use of it.
I’ve had a polestar for a couple years now, and it’s by far my favorite vehicle. It has quirks, but most I can get past. I also have a kia EV and I fucking hate it. It forces you to get handheld through everything and it has some really dumb software choices. Everything I hate about then could be changed with a software update to give options, but I don’t foresee that happening ever.
It was really fun, don’t get me wrong. I miss the small amount of extra power it had. The shifter was cool.
But the tire sensors kept going off, and the AC just dying and requiring me to do a fancy start sequence to get it going again was just impractical. Also it didn’t have smart cruise control, barely any storage space, max charge was like 210 miles, and the backup camera was almost useless.
That was a 2023 polestar 2, so i cant speak for other models or newer ones.
That’s fair, my tire settings need reset a few times per year. I don’t have the ac problem, but the sound for the speakers doesn’t work maybe once a month for some reason. Like I said, definitely quirks, but much better than my experience with the kia.
The things I don’t like on the kia are deliberate design decisions (or perhaps wild after thoughts in design) that I have to deal with every single time I drive it. I don’t know if I’ve ever had the level of disdain for a vehicle ever. In fairness, there is a lot to like, but I feel like it’s definitely vehicle for people who either don’t like driving, are passive drivers and indifferent to the vehicle or both.
Here’s the thing everyone seems to be forgetting. Once a motorized vehicle leaves the ground under powered flight it is no longer under DOT’s domain it is now under FAA’s domain. FAA licenses are way harder to get and way easier to lose. They also require annual tests to keep. This is why flying cars are a non starter, because to pilot them you need a general aviation license.
There are exceptions but it’s always in the ultralight or experimental categories. A release of this car will fit neither of those categories.
Yeah this car will never be for sale. There will be the $50,000 version which has none of the compressed air loaded into it, and a tuned up version with some boost for the 0-60. The flying car they showed yesterday was the only one that will ever do that, because it was a literal stunt for the shareholders.
From my memory, it’s just a $50k reservation, and if that’s the case, it’s going to cost a lot more than that in actuality.
I think you’re correct
Note that even the lowest even described model (50k just to reserve a spot for unspecified price and based on Tesla historically, unknown delivery date) there are issues.
They claim the active down force fan will be on that, but I hear that even on tracks they frequently aren’t allowed. It’s not likely to be a street legal thing, given what happens with road debris in such a scenario.
They saw the McMurtry Spéirling and got jealous, how cute 😂
(The Spéirling can hold itself upside down on a flat surface)
Correct. There is zero chance they ever come out with a flying car
New planes are fucking expensive. Hundreds of thousands of dollars. 50% of the cost of those planes is airframe certification and insurance for the manufacturer
Planes used to be war cheaper, but liability and bureaucracy has slowly been killing GA for a few decades
Even funnier, you’re generally not allowed to land on roads so once you take off you have a problem with that flying car. Debris flying around will also be fun.
What will be even more fun is getting eviscerated by an exploding pressurized gas tank they use to do that shit, in the tiniest crash known to man.
You can land on roads. It’s just rare it would be safe and a good idea
Big tire super cubs do it pretty often in rural Alaska
Biggest problems landing on roads is power lines and traffic. If either are present, it’s emergency only
To be fair, with teslas track record we’d be lucky if a production “flying” car like this could achieve more air time than my Subaru when I go ditch banging 😂
They also require annual tests to keep
No they don’t. Good for life, although I do need to do a flight review every 24 months
Flight reviews are pretty chill, juat do a flight with an instructor (or anyone else certified to sign off on it). We should require these for drivers too on license renewal
Not to mention insurance.
Also, don’t pilots need to take annual physicals?
It will be like flying an ultralight over your own land. And it won’t even be legal on public road.
I don’t honestly think the US has the technical ability anymore. The US doesn’t really make much and hasn’t since the seventies. That’s a long time. How much of a Ford is actually made in the US? Shoot, how much is designed in the US?
Best they could do would be buy the parts, maybe make the frame, paint it and assemble. Don’t make batteries, don’t make screens, or chips, or leds or much of nothing.
I’ve wrote this before and I’ll write it again. Conversion kits need to become mainstream. It’s like my old Jeep can have pretty much any engine. Someone converted theirs with using parts from a junk yard Tesla.
as battery tech improves and electric motors become more powerful and ubiquitous it’ll happen. there’s a small market of people converting classic cars to ev. one day I’d like to convert my old honda element. I don’t need 300 miles range, give me 80 and it’ll be fine for grabbing lumber or taking junk to the dump.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53ZV1GMrf50
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqcHIQmWgIs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d53aNHMMai0
and a host of companies trying to cater to the market -
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/T4WWHvZODz4
dig around and there’s a lot more. there’s a lot of rolling stock that can be swapped eventually, it would be stupid to condemn all that metal to scrap.
Totally agree. It sounds like you live in Vermont or the like. I think of how the star trek movie had a electric corvette.
And it’ll be extra nice because those kits could also deshitify the car in the process. Oh, you stuck a dependency on a functional phone home system in the fuel injection loop? Who cares after I’ve removed the fuel injectors?
That’s what I want.
There is a whole chunk of people wanting the diesel electric conversion kits Deboss Garage is developing with Edison Motors.
https://debossgarage.com/builds/diesel-electric-edison-pickup
(yes it will be possible to have a big battery instead of an engine + smaller battery)
Pretty cool if it’s legit. The west side Germany 300 got me a giggle. Bookmarked it. Okay, I just finished. I can’t believe this tech is out. I have read about how well it does with frying oil.
I just want public transit…
Here you go:
Oh, did you mean in the US?
I would ride this just to ride this
The interior design is rather bland or let’s say functional, but I think the exterior looks great. It is not crazy like some of the French trams of the “Flexity”-family but quite elegant I think.
I work on those, they are pretty nice to work on when compared to the previous ULF trams, but nothing beats the old E2 trams
The current administration is in the process of abolishing what little we have. And they will.
Public transit is mostly at the city and state levels. Amtrak is the only exception I can think of.
A lot of systems get federal money, or did.
There won’t be flying cars until Autonomous Vehicles have a perfect self driving score.
Joe Average Potata-brain can’t drive as it is. Now they want to add the extra chaos of multiple tons of debris falling from the sky after minor crash bends one of the stabilizer ports out of alignment?
Batteries are expensive. Tesla had the best value EV for a long time until alternatives with real buttons and no nazis came along so this is a weird one.
This is always what I hear, but the average American drives less than 40 miles a day. I don’t get why no one makes an EV with a small battery and ~100 mile range? It would meet the daily needs of most Americans and have like 70% less battery
Because of that cowboy delusion of being able to just ride (drive) off into the sunset is still a part of the cultural identity. You are correct, that consumer wise, this would be a very efficent and ideal product for commuters. The range would get you from Boston to Heartford, or Chicago to Milwaukee, to and from any suburb to the nearest major airport, but you could not just… GO. (Far off with John Denver playing on the radio)
Or, ya know, not everyone lives on the east coast in the most densely populated area of the country? How about the 50% of the country where its an hour drive between cities? I live in Oregon and am constantly driving more than 100 miles out of town to have fun with friends. Day trips are a common thing in the US, and I’m not buying a separate car just to drive to Medford from Weed.
Even when I lived in Portland or Seattle, I still drove like 2 hours out a few times a month to hang with friends or visit family. The US is huge dude, the whole country of Ireland is like the size of Oregon. When visiting family in Kansas, Colorado, Texas, or just most of the country, the distances get way WAY bigger for just daily living.
[EDIT: I stand corrected, the state of Oregon is twice the size of Ireland]
The Renault Twingo has a WLTP range of 263 km. But that is what you want in order to have around 130 -170 km real highway range (cold/mild weather). Plenty such cars exist but very few of them are sold in the US. So these cars would not need to be created, they just needed to be sold in the US. Price point around 20k USD before tax should be realistic for these.
I’m not American but the daily drive of our car is very short. However, if we’re going to have a car i want it to be suitable for the majority of our driving, which includes much longer trips every few months. I don’t want to have to hire a car or own a second one for something we do multiple times a year.
You don’t have DC fast charging infrastructure? For really long trips, there are trains or planes, but those middle distance trips are fine to just stop and charge every couple hours. Kia/Hyundais now are doing higher voltage on big batteries, so it’s like 20 minutes for 0-100% charge on a 350 mile battery. If they threw a 200 mile battery into that, it’s a 10 minute charge, but in reality you are not waiting around for that 20 minutes after driving for 5 hours; you’re taking a shit and eating a meal.
But the person above talked about cars with a range suitable for a commute. Do you want to stop and charge every 50 miles? I don’t. And usually those cars don’t have charging systems capable of fast charging (because they’re designed to be used exclusively for short trips) so it’s half an hour or more each stop. No thanks!
Fast charge infrastructure exists but has limitations. It is often:
- nonexistent while the car park is being refurbished (has happened to me twice)
- broken
- full, with no queuing system
- unable to charge at the speed the car is capable of. My car should be able to get over 200kW every time, in any weather, but I think I’ve seen it twice, despite usually using chargers that should be capable of more.
It is always a break in the journey whether you want one or not. If you want to split the journey in half to swap drivers, or to stop at lunchtime, but there’s no good charging there, tough!
So range is still important. To me, at least!
Valid points. Idk if it’s international, but somebody on Lemmy recommended an app called PlugShare which basically is a rating app for different charging stations. You can see reviews and know what’s in service. I use ABRP to plot my route, then double check the recommended stations on PlugShare, and then actually navigate with Google Maps. Maybe that or a different tool could be helpful to you.
Yeah, I do use those. And it’s generally good! But I bought a car with the longest range i could abs don’t regret it!
There are a couple like the Fiat 500 and Mini cooper EV that get around 150, but they also coat like $45K USD. Somehow the Chevy Bolt remains the cheapest option while still having 250 miles of range while also being one of the best EVs available.
But if you start looking at used cars it changes massively. You can get a 10 year old Nissan leaf that can still do 100 miles on a charge for like 3 grand. And early Bolts are also sub 10k.
I bought a used 2022 Bolt EUV in late February for $19k and my only gripe with it is the charging speed. It is incredibly rare for me to do longer drives, so it’s not a regret per sé, but it’s annoying that I didn’t do research on that particular detail. While the Ioniq 6 has 800V architecture which allows charging at 240-350kW, I’m stuck at fucking 50. For those who don’t know those units and just want real world figures, the difference is that charging from 20% to 80% takes like 15 minutes for theirs and like an hour for mine.
Most of my longer drives still aren’t that long though, so that’s just the situation where I actually charge up to 100% at home and just do a big charge at a meal and bathroom break like 3-4 hours in.
Just thought I’d make people aware of the caveat of the cheap Bolts, and how that still doesn’t actually matter most of the time. I would’ve paid more for quicker charging on the road even though it would affect only a couple of drives per year.
Yeah that’s definitely something people should be aware of, it’s certainly something that was brought up in every bolt review I read. But like you said it’s really not a big deal unless you are road tripping. I personally ended up getting a polestar 2 but that was mostly because it had double the power and a much better interior, but also cost about 8k more and has an abysmal service network that could collapse at any moment. Part of me wishes I just got the bolt.
Because even though the average American drives less than 40 miles a day, they will not buy something with that low of range because the average American still takes longer trips fairly frequently.
I mostly ride a motorcycle and barely drive my car. When I do the average trip is only around 10 miles. But every month or so I end up driving around 120 miles round trip. A 100 mile car would be pointless because I’ couldn’t even make that trip.
This comes up a lot, and as someone living in the US I genuinely can’t understand how anyone would cap themselves to a 100 mile range. I’ve been all over the country, from big cities like LA and Seattle to rural places in Montana, Texas, and Florida. No matter where I’ve been, I’ve always needed a car that could drive at least 200 miles for a day trip.
Currently in southern Oregon. If I want to go with some friends into the nearest city to do fun stuff or go to the mall, its an hour and 45 minute drive at 55 miles and hour. If I had an EV with a range of 100 miles, I’d have like 10 miles of charge once I got into town? That is not enough, and then I’d have to wait for it to charge before going home. That just wouldn’t work.
When I lived in Seattle, a pretty big city, I drove a lot further to visit friends because unless you’re wealthy, living with 6 room mates, or a student in dedicated housing, you can’t afford to actually live IN the city. Redmond, Issaquah, Snoqualmie Pass, Tacoma, are all a distance from the city proper, and often you’d end up driving around in those towns to do stuff after you made the trip. I don’t want to be stressing about having enough charge on the day-to-day.
If you’re buying a car, you’re not going to buy a separate car just to leave the city, right?
If I was saving $200/month on gas I could afford other modes of transport for the once or twice a month I need to go farther than 100 miles. Or I’d be willing to stop and charge my car for 30 minutes mid-trip if it was saving me hundreds of dollars in gas each month.
With modern battery tech, that “waiting around for it to charge” would take 5-10 minutes. Let’s assume that that 100 mile range car has a 30kWh battery (my 250 mile range car has 63ish I think). If it runs 800V architecture like Hyundai/Kia, it can charge at 350kW, but let’s round down to 300 for easy math. Even if you got down to 0% as you got to the charger (which you wouldn’t assume for a gas car getting to a gas pump, so that’s a stretch), it’ll be so fast to charge that it doesn’t even make sense to walk away to buy a coffee.
30kWh/300kW=(1/10)h=6 minutes.
I rounded in unfavorable directions, which probably accounts for losses, more or less.
“Sounds expensive,” you might be thinking. Nope. I’ve never seen it above $0.65/kWh, but again let’s round for easier math and assuming bad luck. At $0.75/kWh, that 6 minute 0-100% 30kWh charge costs $22.50. Slightly more expensive than gas, but this is presumably for uncommon trips, so charging at home where your rate is probably closer to $0.15/kWh the vast majority of the time will more than offset those day trips since that refuel costs $4.50. Even if every other charge were at that high rate, that’s still an average of $13.50 for a full tank. Assuming a gas car with 25mpg, that’s like paying $3.38/gallon on average. Not great, but better than reality right now.
If it’s more like every tenth charge is in the city at that high rate, then your average charge is $6.30, which is like paying an average of $1.58/gallon.So it doesn’t take longer to refuel this EV than a standard gas car, and it’s cheaper than a standard gas car if you’re refueling at home at least half the time. The only real variable here is whether there is a charging station at the optimal location for your journey, and those are popping up everywhere.
In reality, I agree with you, but for a different reason. For battery longevity, it’s best to keep the state of charge at 20-80% most of the time. So I’d rather have a 200+ mile range to do my 100 mile trips. And that’s what I did. I bought a used Bolt EUV with a range of about 240 miles (down from 250 when new) and I charge to about 75% for my daily 90ish mile commute, and I get home and plug in at like 30%.
I’m actually out of town with my EV right now. I charged to 100% at home the night before, drove a little over 2 hours to this hotel, a bit over an hour round trip for dinner last night, probably about 30 minutes round trip today, and I’ll probably stop for a short charge on the way home tomorrow just for peace of mind. It’s nowhere near as big a headache as most people make it out to be. For most people, if you need to buy a car and you have the ability to charge at home while you’re sleeping, it doesn’t make sense to not buy an EV. Used ones are still cheaper than they should be.
Well damn, that’s a really compelling argument. I will say that I’ll probably keep my gas car for most stuff long range, but when my partner and I eventually grab a second car for logistical reasons, maybe I’ll look into EVs? Depending on how easy they are to work on. Honestly we were gonna seek out an old Tacoma since we are gonna need a truck for farm stuff soon. Idk, tough bid.
Thank you for taking the time to reply so thoroughly, genuinely.
I figure most families own 2 cars anyway; so if one was super cheap but had a 100mile limit; that would still sell well. Plus stopping to charge isn’t too big a deal
No problem. It’s genuinely interesting to me, so I like helping curious, open-minded people to be exposed to how it really is. I had my doubts until I learned more, and now I know that a lot of us have been manipulated into keeping the status quo.
I’m not a farmer or anything, so I can’t really endorse any EV to replace a farm truck. I’m not saying it can’t work, just that I’m not knowledgeable enough to speak on that. I’m assuming you’ll need good clearance and suspension, and that’s well beyond what my little roller skate of a Bolt EUV specializes in lol. But it can’t hurt to keep in the know because you’ll need another car eventually anyway, even if your research points to another gas car now and today. For most people, plugging into a standard 120V outlet is enough (like 3 miles range per hour charge), but it’s worth investigating whether you need to buy a level 2 charger and run a 240V charger (like 30 miles range per hour charge). Your driving habits will tell you what you need there, and it’d be a good idea to have that settled before buying just so you can charge at home from day one.
When it comes to how easy they are to work on, there’s really not much of anything to work on. No oil so no oil changes, no radiator so no radiator work, no transmission so no transmission work, friction brakes don’t wear nearly as much due to regen braking, there’s no mixing of fuel and air, there’s no compression or combustion, there are no spark plugs or gaskets or complications in translation. It’s direct power from battery to motor(s) to wheels, with guilt-free torque, so maintenance is mostly just wipers, headlights, and tires. I reset my trip meter just to remind me to take it in for tire rotations, and the last time I did that, the guy at the desk couldn’t be bothered to figure out how to charge me the $15-20 that costs so he was just like hey man, you’re good, see you in a few months.
A lot of my reasoning for the switch was for convenience. No complicated maintenance schedule, and no going out of my way to stop somewhere to refuel (except for on road trips). Just plug in when I get home, then go drive when I need to. It’s the most convenient way to own my transportation until we get real self driving or teleportation.
If you want to go further just charge it and then keep going. Not really a big deal if you’re only doing that like once a year.
I drive out for a day trip with friends or to visit friends like every other week. Maybe I’m the exception, though all of my friends do the same so idk.
Also Zoe.
I am the opposite of a Tesla fan but when you can live with all the nonsense (no proper door handles, no real buttons, being forced to do all stuff on a tacked on iPad style panel taking eyes of the street …), their two models they sell in Europe are still strong options when all you care about is km range/EUR and efficiency. That is likely also the reason why they still sell non-zero numbers of those. It is certainly not for the “coolness” of the brand.
That said, the Hyundai Ioniq 3 has dethroned the Tesla 3 even on the cost effective range criterion and it comes with real buttons, door handles etc and a still very practical 491 km range WLTP, at 33k EUR.
Yeah. I have an ioniq 6 so am pretty on board with those
The Ioniq 6 is basically a Tesla 3 killer.
If it weren’t for the nazism and my desire for buttons I would’ve got a model 3. So maybe I don’t see it as a ‘killer’ but it ticked my boxes
What do you think does the Tesla model 3 better than the Ioniq 6?
I think the actual price per range was better when I was looking. Although everything is on the screen, and not in your eyeline, the hyundai software is pretty bad, whereas the tesla software is pretty decent. Not a big enough difference for me though obviously!
I thought this was debunked as Tesla pretty much faking the energy consumption numbers. The cars seem to be average in independent real world tests. That’s not really surprising as electrical motors are more or less a solved problem for a long time now.
Sorry, I did not follow that. That would make sense, how their numbers can be so damn low. I was basing my assessment on the official numbers.
That said, there is more fine tuning possible with electrical motors than many believe. The new VW platform and the BMW Neue Klasse are partially so exciting because there is still stuff that can be improved with EV motor systems.
Hadn’t heard of the ioniq 3 until now, and that looks pretty great. Of course, it’s not available in the US.
It is brand new on the market in Europe. Just saw it now actually. I’ll have to watch a review on it. … its not available in the US? Of course it isn’t. I feels almost as if the “Polo”-class were outlawed in the US.
EDIT: Sadly I have to say that I am not a big fan of some design decisions of Hyundai on the interior. For example that the entry version has no display at all behind the wheel. It has only the big “iPad” in the centre. I think this should be actually not street legal that you have to look to the central big screen for merely reading your speed. The more expensive version has a display strip behind the wheel with all those essential on-road information. Again, I don’t think it should be legal to cut those safety relevant features.
I really hope the Ioniq 3 comes to North America :<
Then Musk got on a power trip, fired his
nanniesadvisors.Don’t know why, but nazis were spraying swastikas on teslas, along with “trans rights” slogans. US is a weird place
I’m probably gonna get an Ioniq 6 or 5 in a year or two, those are very affordable and have actual buttons and switches.
I’m still a little salty about my experience trying to test drive a used Ioniq 6. It was on the site for like $23k I think. I reserved it and then got an email saying that they’d already sold it, but they have a new one available to see for like $55k. I like my Bolt EUV a lot, but Ioniq 6 was my first choice, and I’ve since only discovered more reasons to be envious lol. My 50kW level 3 charging is incredibly sluggish compared to the 300ish that they can do, even if it’s rare for me to have to use it at all.
I have a lot of buttons and switches, but I have to tap the screen to select and deselect HVAC vents. That’s annoying while driving. There’s a button for max defog, but I don’t want to keep cycling that on and off. Just give me a damn knob.
Car sizes will continue to increase until morale improves.
I was checking out used 2023 EVs recently, and some models were in the low 20 kUSD range. Accounting for inflation, that’s less than I paid when I bought my used ICE car (17 kUSD) in 2014. The main detractor for me is that level 3 chargers degrade the batteries, and as a renter, I don’t have a place to charge at home. But if you own a home and can charge an EV there, there’s really no reason to buy an ICE car these days if you just want a commuter vehicle.
I live in the US and I would love to buy an electric vespa-style scooter that can do 45 mph. They are virtually non-existent here (there is something called the Aventura-X which costs $5000). Even if I could get one, there are no places around that could service it. And it’s not like I live in rural South Dakota or anything - I live in a Philly suburb.
My understanding is the level 3 battery degradation is overstated, and even with heavy use, the battery will stay in pretty good shape.
-an EV owner
Agreed. From what I’ve looked up, it’s going outside of 20ish-80ish% charge frequently that’s degrading the batteries quickly. Or fully charging and then leaving out in the hot sun.
No dude, level 3 charging does not degrade the battery in any significant way
If you’re willing to spend 20k+ on a car, then sure. Meanwhile, you can get a reliable and economic ICE car that you can drive 100,000+ miles for under 5k.
citation needed
Found within 1 minute of searching, so it’s probably not the best deal (plus it’s from a realer, which is more expensive than buying from an individual).
https://www.craigslist.org/view/d/lynnwood-2014-chevrolet-sonic-chevy-lt/WFqKwO3L8RGy6I7S4K-WKQ
