If I had a wish for christmas from GabeN or Valve in general, it would be actually meaningful error messages from steam.
If I had two wishes, I would like a community tool to share configs to make games work that require tweaking.
But I’d be very happy if I got better error messages.
Over 6300 pages when you search for “woke”. And talk on the Steam forums using that word has made the forums unusable. Also talk about Steam charts for games where it doesn’t matter, but I’d blame live service developers for that more than Valve.
Between the anti-woke conspiracism and the outright racism, transphobia and general bigotry, I don’t know how anyone can use those forums for anything. Genuinely the most toxic and hate-filled forums I’ve ever used in my 30-odd years of internetting.
I look up game info on the steam forums several times a week, and I have found them significantly less contentious than lemmy. I don’t remember ever seeing a “woke” thread. I assume it’s because it’s largely contained to AAA games and I’m usually playing indie games?
In any case I think it’s an exaggeration to call them “unusable”.
It’s not a conspiracy, they really don’t like woke, see new Gears of War, Dragon Age, Concord, there’s no secret plot
If customers actually had a problem with however these morons define “woke”, The Odyssey, Barbie, and Baldur’s Gate 3 wouldn’t have made billions of dollars. And if you want to look to boogeymen for those three games failing (the first one is even subjective), it’s Game Pass, retrofitting a project into different designs twice, and being extremely late to the live service party.
You know woke is a good thing right? It has only been “weaponised” by bigots.
This user is a conservative and a transphobe. I tagged them as such months ago
Wait you can tag people on Lemmy? Is it like RES, or a built-in feature?
Several clients have the feature. Not sure if it’s supported by the Lemmy API itself or not but I know Boost, Voyager, and a few others have it.
I access Lemmy using sync on Android. You can tag people on the paid version.
You’re the most cisphobic and independophobic person on Lemmy (you’re tagged as both on the Independophobe Tracker ™, and also tagged as seculophobic and truthophobic)
Your tags are a badge of honor, if you agreed with me I’d be very sad and quite humiliated. I’d probably weep in shame
This comment means a lot. I’m glad a transphobe hates me
Irrelevant, the target audience doesn’t like it, and that’s who they must sell games to.
Explain the success of Baldur’s Gate 3 then. You just named three shitty games with shitty gameplay, shitty art and shitty writing.
Just wanted to point out that this search is for over a decade of questions. It might be a problem, but over 10 years you are likely to get a sizeable result for a lot of errors.
That is true, but it also shows that this issue has gone on for over a decade and not been solved.
this issue has gone on for over a decade and not been solved.
Gaben should have made ssds eternal by now
If he can grant immortality, can I get some?
Your search term is catching a whole lot more than “disk write error”
Steam on Linux only for the last 10 years. I don’t recall ever seeing a disk write error.
Makes one wonder.
Now that I think about it, that is across two desktops, two laptops, and more recently two steam decks and a steam machine. They all have one thing in common besides steam.
I dont think I’ve ever seen a steam error, neither on all my time on linux, nor on windows before it.
Certainly wasnt problem free, but typically never came with errors.
I mean, what more do you want from the error? Time? Location? Directory that failed the write? Sector count? It’s pretty straightforward.
Every error steam has given me was easily figured out in the logs. Just like every program.
It’s pretty straightforward.
logs
Just like every program.
If it has over two thousand pages of problem reports, users asking for help, it is a legitimate problem and the logs are not a sufficient help to those users.
What you’re not understanding is how hard it is for an operating system to diagnose a problem with a drive.
You’re expecting from Stream they write a full diagnostics tool so the program can figure out what went wrong, which could range from permission issues or formatting, to failing sectors/drives.
In theory you could make something that works, in reality you’ll be getting false positives, for example: a permission error message while it’s actually a physical write error. The ‘wrong’ message is worse than a ‘vague’ message.
If I can look up what the error was with the disk access, in a log, then steam can do that too. It can parse that, and present it to me. That’s what I expect.
And if that fails, it can at least point me to the correct log.
I can not stress enough that the client tells me nothing:
- it doesn’t tell me that there are logs
- it doesn’t link documentation on how to read them.
- it doesn’t tell me where I can look for it.
The only approach I have to solve is, is to use a search engine for “steam disk write error”. That’s it.
Too much risk, I worked with win32 and it was wrong about the reason for failing a lot in the case of drives. If windows can’t diagnose and handle drive failure properly, I don’t think Steam will have a more reliable answer. Again, I’m assuming a vague error is better for them than a verbose error in this case.
Every error steam has given me was easily figured out in the logs.
Wouldn’t it be better if the error message itself helped you figure it out, so that you don’t have to look into logs? People seriously underestimate useful information in a good error message. Stuff like “Windows encountered an unexpected error” are just not useful.
I think my coworkers are in this thread, they give the same terrible excuses and are bad at coding.
If I had two wishes, I would like a community tool to share configs to make games work that require tweaking.
So something like Protondb but that actually assembles or merges config files? Sounds interesting.
How is “disk write error” not a meaningful message? It means there was an error writing data to the disk.
So what the issue with my car?
Well it doesn’t start upNot bashing on Steam, to be clear, but this error will not help fix the issue, user actually needs to investigate one of the many reasons this could be.
A meaningful error may be: write failed because files are locked by process xy.
I dont think Windows gives that information to Steam.
Just reboot and try again. It fixes it 90% of the time.
The messages can be improved without modifying the operating system.
What is the software currently attempting invoke/execute? Have that information included with any errors from the OS.
This is a very easy thing for a developer and gives context to the error. The hard part is going through all the code, deciding which operations should have additional messaging and adding god knows how many new lines of code.
In my situation, I had a minute of power outage while downloading, which got me this error. I had to run check disk.
One of the “disk write error” I encountered, is the absence of symbolic link in a file system.
I pluged a used TF card (formatted as exFAT) into my Steam Deck. It works most of the time, but one day I installed a game packed by AppImage, and Steam reported “disk write error”. Turned out exFAT doesn’t support symbolic links, and AppImage uses symbolic links to resolve DLL dependencies.
Still holding on for HL3 before I die.
How did you arrive at that count?
Because the link is just a Steam forum search result for “disk write error”. There are over 2000 pages of results. OP doesn’t have a story.
Click the link. Its the number of pages for the search result in Steam forums.
Thanks. I didn’t notice that there was a link.
OP didn’t surround the phrase with quotes (and I don’t know if Steam’s search knows what to do with quoted phrases anyway). So many of those pages will be full of posts that contain those words but not that phrase.
I agree, it was not very clear. The post body should have an explanation. I just noticed it by accident when looking around the page to understand what I’m looking at.
