I’m not quite sure how to say this, but the bar is definitely above there. I’m sure many women have these stories of people falling below it and having lowered their standards, but there are also guys (like me) that have received zero to zero attention while being very socially open in a lot of contexts.
Worse, there’s often a conclusive reaction of “If that’s the case, you must be doing something wrong”. I know I’m not my own best judge, but I don’t believe that. I show interest in people’s lives and hardship, be kind, stay clean, and it doesn’t appear to make a difference.
People as a whole (not just women) are less prone to haphazard connections than they used to be. More generally, it ties in with the difficulty making friends as an adult. Attractiveness concerns could tie into that, but I can’t say for sure.
I have! The last time it failed was when someone turned down my date before the day even came up - because I wasn’t messaging her often enough in pleading persistence.
“The worst she can say is no” is not true either. The worst she can say is a vague promise to satiate you until she can leave and ghost you. It’s a practice that many women have used to avoid toxic, persistent men. The emotional effect there is akin to “Not only are you not worth it, you look threatening enough based on your height/weight/gender that it’s too risky to even reject you directly.”
Honestly, much as it frustrated me when it happened, I completely understand why the practice exists. I’d say I blame toxic manosphere personalities and possessive men for such social patterns ever existing.
Basically, when I make those comments about the bar being higher, that isn’t really making an “ask” of anyone. I acknowledge women spend a lot of time and effort on makeup, appearance, clothing, already. Overcoming the anxiety of asking someone out would be a big ask on top of that, it’s difficult for either gender. But the attempts from guys, thanks to horrible people and toxic “dating” cultures, have now been emotionally draining too. The situation sucks for everyone now. I just ask that you don’t claim solutions to be easy. If they were, people would be achieving them.
I’m not particularly good looking and I’ve been overweight/unfit my entire life.
I have NEVER had problems getting dates or getting laid. I’m polyamorus these days, which narrows down the dating pool quite a bit and it still is not an issue.
The secret is just…be honest? Be authentic and treat people like people, regardless of their gender.
Just be clean and treat women like people. The bar is SO LOW
I’m not quite sure how to say this, but the bar is definitely above there. I’m sure many women have these stories of people falling below it and having lowered their standards, but there are also guys (like me) that have received zero to zero attention while being very socially open in a lot of contexts.
Worse, there’s often a conclusive reaction of “If that’s the case, you must be doing something wrong”. I know I’m not my own best judge, but I don’t believe that. I show interest in people’s lives and hardship, be kind, stay clean, and it doesn’t appear to make a difference.
People as a whole (not just women) are less prone to haphazard connections than they used to be. More generally, it ties in with the difficulty making friends as an adult. Attractiveness concerns could tie into that, but I can’t say for sure.
Have you tried asking any out on a date or are you just waiting for them to make the first move?
I have! The last time it failed was when someone turned down my date before the day even came up - because I wasn’t messaging her often enough in pleading persistence.
“The worst she can say is no” is not true either. The worst she can say is a vague promise to satiate you until she can leave and ghost you. It’s a practice that many women have used to avoid toxic, persistent men. The emotional effect there is akin to “Not only are you not worth it, you look threatening enough based on your height/weight/gender that it’s too risky to even reject you directly.”
Honestly, much as it frustrated me when it happened, I completely understand why the practice exists. I’d say I blame toxic manosphere personalities and possessive men for such social patterns ever existing.
Basically, when I make those comments about the bar being higher, that isn’t really making an “ask” of anyone. I acknowledge women spend a lot of time and effort on makeup, appearance, clothing, already. Overcoming the anxiety of asking someone out would be a big ask on top of that, it’s difficult for either gender. But the attempts from guys, thanks to horrible people and toxic “dating” cultures, have now been emotionally draining too. The situation sucks for everyone now. I just ask that you don’t claim solutions to be easy. If they were, people would be achieving them.
Gotta keep at it. This is the way and someone will see your spark
My problem lies in approaching them in the first place.
My fiancé approached me and that’s the only reason we’re together.
Now that I think about it that’s the only reason I’ve ever been in a relationship
The bar is low and made of soap
Absolutely this!
I’m not particularly good looking and I’ve been overweight/unfit my entire life.
I have NEVER had problems getting dates or getting laid. I’m polyamorus these days, which narrows down the dating pool quite a bit and it still is not an issue.
The secret is just…be honest? Be authentic and treat people like people, regardless of their gender.
The bar really is low.