Israel’s military has claimed it has encircled Gaza City and divided the besieged coastal strip into two, as Gaza came under its third total communications outage since the start of the war.
“Today, there is north Gaza and south Gaza,” Israeli army spokesman Daniel Hagari told reporters on Sunday, calling it a “significant stage” in Israel’s war against Hamas.
Israeli media reported that troops are expected to enter Gaza City within 48 hours. Strong explosions were seen in northern Gaza after nightfall.
But the “collapse in connectivity” across Gaza reported by internet access advocacy group NetBlocks.org and confirmed by the Palestinian telecom company Paltel made it even more complicated to convey details of the new stage of the military offensive.
The more accurate description is “Israel’s war against Palestine”. And, given the power difference and stated goals: “Israel’s ongoing genocide of Palestine”.
And if you think that it sounds a bit too disturbing, just try to imagine a pile of 4000 children. It might ruin your day.
I’m glad Lemmy doesn’t censor the amount of upvotes and downvotes.
It’s good to see how many people here support/oppose certain ideas.
Kind of a breath of fresh air after being on that other hellhole for so long.
The irony of saying this in a echo chamber
Sorry, can’t use the G word apparently because there are almost 1 million Palestinians and Israel hasn’t tried to kill all of them. According to the big brains out there you can’t call out an attempt at genocide unless it’s full force, plain as day to see, and maximum death count.
…Sigh.
just try to imagine a pile of 4000 children
That’s an an impressive feat of coordination and athletic capability for everyone involved. Did you imagine a pyramid, because I did.
Here’s a solid case for downvoting based on “doesn’t contribute to discussion”.
I think conical would make more sense, no?
And the world will just watch as this campaign of ethnic cleansing continues. I’m sickened
Watching and hoping them quick success, at least for my part. A prolonged war would be the worst thing for everybody except the terrorists.
How do you define success? No more Gaza?
A complete (=utopistic) success would be Hamas being completely destroyed and islamistic extremism discouraged generally. It’s not a great fit because of all kinds of differences of these conflicts, but how the Nazis were deposed at the end of WW2 is a great model for how to eradicate fascists.
I sometimes wish I could be this disconnected from reality or empathy, or perhaps both. It would likely suck for everyone around me, so, I guess I’ll suffer through.
Why do you presume to think I have no empathy or that I would be disconnected from reality?
Aren’t you saying that you wish Israel could hurry up its process of killing 2.2 million people of which half being children?
What is the limit of this “quick success” you are hoping for?
Aren’t you saying that you wish Israel could hurry up its process of killing 2.2 million people of which half being children?
What the fuck, no. Do people seriously think that that is the goal? What kind of a warped thought process is involved in this?
It’s a de-facto open air prison, which they have cut off fuel supply to, and now designated about half of it an “evacuation zone”. They destroy on average 12 buildings per hour. They’ve killed 4.4k children since October 7th. What… Exactly do you think is going on there? The defense minister of Israel also said they want to install a new “security regime” in Gaza.
It doesn’t take a lot of datapoints over the last 75 years to see where this is going.
You can make guesses based on those numbers that come directly from Hamas… but speaking of datapoints, I don’t think this is what genocide looks like: https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/state-of-palestine-population/
Perhaps I’m wrong. Those graphs obviously don’t include recent developments. We’ll see some part of the truth properly in a few months, probably.
Because those with empathy wouldnt wish the success of a genocide
Ah, you’re still thinking this is a genocide. Then I understand why you would think I lack empathy.
Don’t want wiped off the map? Don’t be a nation ran by terrorists.
What a heartless genocidal ideology you have
No it’s just common sense, I’m not on either side.
If you don’t want to be the victim of genocide it’s probably a good idea to not try and genocide your neighbor. Reap what you sow
said like every racial supremacist to have ever existed, if we give the blacks freedom, they will kill the white man!
That is one of the most braindead comparisons I have ever heard. I think the internet has given you brain rot.
same logic of dehumanification and tribalism
So every Palestinian is guilty?
You realise Hamas is like 30 years old and started as a charity backed by Israel? They then seized power after killing their rivals.
Should we murder Innocent chinese people because of the communist party? Wipe them off the earth, demolish their cities and Culture?
As a LIbertarian I can happily say that the Chinese Communist party is like a band of angels compared to Hamas. As repressive governments go, they have done an incredibly low amount of shitty things. So I don’t think your comparison quite works.
“As a libertarian” is not the way to start an opinion if you want to be taken seriously.
Most political ideologies have at least one good take. Libertarianism has the “don’t allow companies to seize power with regulatory capture” and “whatever the state does is backed by enforced seizure of funds and whatever it enforces it does so with violence” takes, which are both pretty solid, regardless of what you think about economics or if any of the actions of states are positive on their own.
Not that I agree with this guy’s rambling take on Hamas at all…
Libertarianism has the “don’t allow companies to seize power with regulatory capture” and “whatever the state does is backed by enforced seizure of funds and whatever it enforces it does so with violence” takes, which are both pretty solid
Have you noticed how any mention of libertarianism is instantly met with the ‘pedo association’ thought terminator?
It was really gaining a lot of popularity as an ideology until around the 2016 elections and trailed off until COVID. But like Occupy WallSt and all ideas dangerous to The State, suddenly anyone who wants to be free to do what they want in their own home (like growing and using entheogens) and not let corporations run the state suddenly equals “they just want to date kids.”
Astroturfing works. It’s especially effective when you can do it to an entire new generation, all at the same time.
No one here mentioned pedophilia until you brought it up justsayin
Wow, another good one. You people are amazing.
Some people openly call themselves marxist-leninists in here too so I thought I’d join their “never take what these guys say seriously” club.
If we had a forced and honest age & intellect number by each username, the numbers you’d most commonly see are 13-23 and 80-110.
Don’t worry, you’re talking with teenagers and college freshmen that know everything on every topic. They can’t name 3 aspects of an ideology they claim to represent but that’s besides the point. ChatGPT will hallocunate it for them so we can get even more chuckles.
Well then I guess it’s good people aren’t taking you seriously.
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well, considering you are a libertarian, you don’t have a good track record of understanding reality
Oh, good one.
look, I can’t help that it’s an economic ideology based mainly on a few works of fiction that involve “the parasites are the only thing preventing the Übermensch of creating a pepetomobile”
You’re thinking of objectivism.
OK, but Isn’trael is gaining land.
Wasn’t Gaza already surrounded before all this? It’s a giant prison - it even has walls around the perimeter.
Yes but I think the point now is to take it.
They can say whatever bullshit lies they want, but a popular defense of the current situation is “they had a war and Israel won, so deal with it.” So following that logic, if they win this war against “Hamas” (they’ll consider all of Palestine Hamas of course) they’ll just take Palestine in this war.
I’m like 50/50 on it, but I can definitely see Israel just ending the issue on paper by making it all Israel. The problem of people becomes the UNs problem or other countries that actually give a shit about people.
The problem is that the Palestinians are stuck in Gaza because no one really cares about them. The Palestinians are more convenient as pawns to use in a proxy war against Israel (for example by Iran and Syria) than to actually achieve a permanent, stable arrangement. For Netanyahu, achieving a settlement alienates his base which wants to expel the Palestinians completely, and the conflict maintains anxiety that keeps him elected.
And even worse, Hamas uses them too. They have stockpiles of food and water and medicine that aren’t sharing with the Palestinians. They take aid meant for the Palestinians. They try to infiltrate refugee groups. They even dismantled a drinking water system the EU funded and used the pipes for rockets.
A global coalition needs to put boots on the ground and simultaneously evacuate civilians while engaging Hamas. They’re a pox on everyone.
The problem is that the Palestinians are stuck in Gaza because no one really cares about them.
Lots people across the world care about the plight of Palestinians. The US effectively bribes the ruling classes of several middle-eastern countries to prevent popular will from spilling over into open warfare to oppose Israel’s treatment of the indigenous population. It’s impossible to understand how Israel gets away with what it does without acknowledging this.
The issue isn’t about caring … the problem is that Palestinians, and the broader middle-east generally, are being oppressed by a western-backed settler-colonial movement.
The US had to twist Egypt’s arm to get them to accept refugees, so that doesn’t explain things entirely.
Quite a few Arab countries took in Palestinians in the past. The problem is that extremists embedded themselves with the refugees. Egypt, Lebanon, and Jordan all saw civil wars and strife from the extremists who wanted it to be a radical Islamic state. Jordan’s king was actually killed by the extremists and the conflict was called Black September. Subsequently, they aren’t eager to take in Palestinian refugees.
Bernie Sanders had a fantastic opinion piece the other day that lambasted Israel and Netanyahu, but very importantly, also said lasting peace could not be established without eliminating Hamas. This is a big reason why. Hamas is using the Palestinians.
I never actually said what my point was – this is a complicated conflict. It isn’t as easy as just blaming the US. There’s all sorts of geopolitics and history at play here.
The US had to twist Egypt’s arm to get them to accept refugees, so that doesn’t explain things entirely.
The reason why neighboring states are reluctant to accept refugees is that they know they will never be able to return, and the influx of people would destabilize their own societies.
The solution isn’t for other countries to start accepting refugees - it’s that the Israelis need to stop murdering them.
Cutting through gaza like tanks through tiananmen .
How many civilians did the Tiananmen Square rebels rape and murder?
Palestinian civilians are not Hamas.
Hamas is a spreading cancer and palestinian civilians are the (still) healthy cells. Do we have means of removing the cancer without damaging the healthy cells? It doesn’t seem like we do. But the solution cannot be to just let the cancer be, almost everything is a better choice than that.
ok, so you wholeheartedly support the Nazis idea of the “volkskörper”.
it’s somewhat ironic that Israel has convinced the world that it represents all Jews, but has also taken up the rest of the Nazi bullshit and people repeat it continuously (because the idea that a nation represents all people of X group is already blood and soil logic), I guess this is what happens when you have Nationalists and “X power party” in charge.
ok, so you wholeheartedly support the Nazis idea of the “volkskörper”.
Well no. If I had called palestinians the cancer of Israel, then my comment would’ve been disgusting bigotry at the level of the original nazis, but I was referring to only Hamas as being cancerous, and, as you might notice, I referred to palestinians as the healthy cells.
It’s not a great metaphor anyway, so perhaps I shouldn’t defend it this much.
no, you justified Palestinians needing to be killed because the caner of Hamas is growing in them
I worry that you think cancer is cured by killing its host.
We do, actually! You should read up on immunotherapy. It’s not for everyone, but it works in many cases.
The metaphor holds up, too. With sufficient time and effort, you can make things work.
Earlier on Sunday, Israeli warplanes struck two central Gaza refugee camps, killing at least 53 people and wounding dozens, health officials said.
Israel said it would press on with its offensive against Hamas, despite US appeals for even brief pauses to get aid to desperate civilians.
The Palestinian health ministry said more than 9,700 Palestinians have been killed in the territory in nearly a month of war, more than 4,000 of them children. That toll likely will rise as Israeli troops advance into dense, urban neighbourhoods.
Air strikes hit the Maghazi refugee camp overnight, killing at least 40 people and wounding 34 others, the health ministry said.
The camp is in the zone where Israel’s military had urged Palestinian civilians to seek refuge.
Every day more of this. Israel clearly doesn’t care about civilians and children and will kill anyone it feels like killing.
There’s a survivor account translated by Electronic Intifada(mediabiasfactcheck rated them left bias, pro-palestine, mostly factual but not high due to no transparency on their funding, pinch of salt applies) saying IDF, in their effort to kill Hamas combatant, killed israeli held hostaged by Hamas in Be’eri in heavy crossfire, and also shelled the home to eliminate any hiding combatant.
There’s also an interview with IDF soldier on the front line that day, as reported by Gray Zone(extreme left, mixed fact, highly opinionated, kilogram of salt applies. They do quote their source though), saying they just shoot at suspected Hamas vehicle to prevent escape, knowing there’s a chance Israeli hostages is in it.
Their action in a month checks out with the account on the first few day of battle in Israel, as they bomb the tunnel, disregard the safety of the hostage they’re trying so hard to “rescue”, that the hostage might get crushed from the collapsing tunnel. They don’t care about collateral damage at all, and i fear the hostages that got killed from the ground assault will be pinned on Hamas.
It seems Hamas way overestimated how much compassion Israelis would have for hostages, journalists, or innocent children…
It’s a serious miscalculation. IDF has been show not giving a fuck about collateral damage. They shot children to disperse riot. They snipe children and tell the world the kids are armed. They murder journalist then blame it on Hamas.
According to the survivor account, Hamas purposefully inform the police and wait for them to come, instead of retreat with the hostage. They really thought they can talk it off with the police and IDF but they really don’t know their enemy at all.
Let’s not call it “collateral damage” when it’s deliberately shooting or bombing children or other civilians. The term “collateral damage” was the US military’s euphemism for supposedly accidental killing of civilians. The IDF doesn’t even care to make it look accidental.
You’re right, it’s murder.
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You split Gaza in half
You get same military, but now two Gaza
Stick wins everytime
so that’s multiple hospitals and refugee camps now essentially collected into a concentration camp.
Zionists deserve all the retaliation they get for this genocide.
Do they, though? Do the Palestinians deserve this retaliation for the terrorist acts committed by Hamas? I have no trouble calling this a genocide, and I have no doubt Israel and its supporters will face retaliation, but the people who suffer most are always the least culpable.
Isn’t this attitude of righteous retribution just perpetuating the cycle of violence? If we want peace, we must allow space for reconciliation. If we want equality, we must concede respect for our enemies. Otherwise, we might as well wipe them out entirely, which is precisely how Zionists are justifying this genocide.
Zionists and Hamas are two sides of the same coin.
Innocent Israelis and Palestinians do not deserve to suffer because of religious zealots.
If they are the religious zealots though… then they’re the ones causing this conflict in the first place.
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but if i can’t use my war-mongering language how can i lie to people?
Hm, I might have fat fingered my comment and deleted it. That was weird.
very possible the mods deleted it, the ones here aren’t known for being trustworthy
I have pretty fat fingers, so I’ll give them the benefit of the doubt :)
If it’s removed by mod/admin it will shows removed by moderator and it will shows up on modlog that’s viewable by public. Some mod might be untrustworthy but at least the system is transparent.
Please do literally anything else to show us the power of Flex Tape :(
