Dropbox removed ability to opt your files out of AI training::undefined
Response from dropbox in that post: “Jumping in to clarify some confusion. The AI third-party toggle is only visible to users who have access to our AI features. If you don’t see the AI third-party toggle, then you can’t view or use Dropbox AI features. To reiterate, neither this nor any other setting automatically or passively sends any Dropbox customer data to a third-party AI service. Please see our Help Center article for a list of those with access to Dropbox AI features.”
I don’t know why I find it so surprising that Dropbox apparently has a Hacker News account, but I am mindblown that’s a thing.
I thought HN would be way too niche for that to be a thing.
Seeing dropbox is actually a ycombinator alumni it’s not that surprising 😄
If you want a laugh, go back to their initial “Show HN” post. It made one person with the top comment rather infamous for being out of touch with his comment on “I could just rsync, why would I use this?”
Dropbox is pretty cool. (Don’t mistake this as some weird astroturfing.) I remember hearing about their custom hardware on an episode of se-radio. Very fascinating stuff.
Native Linux client is why I use them. That’s reasonably cool for a corporation in my book.
You can still opt out by opting not to use Dropbox.
Guess I need to find and close that account now
I did this. Enjoy unsharing literally every shared file and folder and removing access etc. I thought I deleted all my files. Nope. Checked the shared area. You’ll need to undo all of that manually. Only then was I finally able to rid myself of this enshittified disaster. Goodbye forever Dropbox. The only good you ever did was scannable.
Closing my Dropbox account now.
Wnat are you going to?
I HATE Dropbox.
I tried to use them recently and their service had some problems.
They have an option to “stream” files when you need them. The only problem is you need an internet connection to access them. I did not trust this kind of system and I actually need to access my files even without internet.
So there is a way to make the files available offline. Great! Problem solves. NOPE! They offer an option to have your files available offline, but they might remove the files and make them only available in the cloud if you local storage gets low.
That is really all they say about it and there is no option to turn this off. I was uncomfortable about their vagueness and my inability to disable this.
Within 24 hours of paying for their service I learned of this and they refused to refund my purchase.
PLEASE NEVER WORK WITH DROPBOX
I’ve used Dropbox since literally their first year of creation and I’ve never experienced a single one of these issues. I use it mostly as a portable library and all I need is 2 mins of any internet connection to download any book(s) I want to read to a local device. Mind you this is on their free plan, so I’ve never paid a cent to them either. Requires me to periodically transfer older books to another long term solution, but that is just a few mouse clicks. I’ve read hundreds if not more ebooks this way. Since I prefer .mobi (which I can even read IN dropbox if I want) I can upload straight to dropbox after converting from .epub.
I mean, it sounds frustrating, but your experience with them sounds extremely weird to me.
At least to me they’ve been the best cloud provider by far, for what it’s worth.
With that said, I don’t especially like that they’re doing this even though my specific content is mostly available in any number of places anyway, given that it’s literature.
I’ve had a great experience with Dropbox (for about 10 years!), but I also used their Linux client which is old and very straightforward. Now I’m a Nextcloud user, and I wish it worked as well as Dropbox did. But with this AI thing I’m not switching back.
it was painful to migrate from dropbox. their api is shit and does nothing to guarantee delivery. i had to split folders into 5gb chunks and download everything in zip files through the browser. it took a year. what an awful company.
Why not use something like rclone to download your stuff?
I tried several third-party tools and all of them had the same problems with the API
I’ll never work with them again and actively. Advocate against them.
I said this in another post:
If your business is using Dropbox as cloud storage, you are so fucked!
In 2015, I worked in a company that stored financial records. Small restaurant company with 80 employees. I emailed them last week about this and they’re already making moves to leave.
It’s wild that you’re still in contact with your former employers.
Literally every single one has “fired me” and escorted me from the premises after I put in a 2 week notice.
You can leave a company on good terms.
I also highly recommend not burning bridges. Even if they were a shit storm, 2-3 years later you might change your mind.
I have. I didn’t do anything bad to any one of them. I would like to think I was a top performer but they all somehow take it personally that I want more money than they wanna pay.
If I can get a new job by leaving after 2/3 years and increase my pay by 20%. Why would I stay for a 2% COL raise? Inflation was 18% last year…
One got upset and said “I don’t know how to process this. I thought you were a lifer…” and then escorted me to security.
The vast majority of employers are critically out of touch with reality.
It’s like they cannot process what might be of critical importance to employees, and think that a foosball table and pizza parties can somehow pay our bills.
Maybe he has good friends in the Exec leadership.
Literally the first sentence of your own source:
Dropbox has hidden third party AI settings, not disabled them
Ok, so how do I as a user access these to change those settings please?
If they’re hiding them, chances are it’s only going to get worse, not better.
Now I feel tempted to make a Dropbox account and fill it with gigabytes of noise data…
Best time for people to learn about home servers.
Cost prohibitive for many, but yes, people need to get off someone else’s computer.
You can easily repurpose old drives for this. I started my server scavenging drives and using my laptop. I upgraded to some WD NAS HDD and I’m about to upgrade to a better Synology NAS.
There are options for people wanting to start hosting.
The idea that many people have old drives is already assuming a lot.
I used to pay for Dropbox about a decade ago, I replaced it with a raspberry pi running syncthing with an USB drive attached to it
Happy I moved to Syncthing a long time ago. My data is replicated on several locations and instances on cheap old raspberries+drives and syncs instantly even on my phone, where I keep Obsidian notes. No size limits, no huge hassle, 10 minutes to get a new instance set up.
Every now and then I will rsync the encrypted version to an offline drive and store it somewhere else.
What do you use for encryption? I’m open to options for encryption. Any opinions about Veracrypt?
Syncthing has built-in encryption and works pretty well, it’s also really easy to use. I have been using it for some time with several instances and never had a problem, it requires more CPU though, so some old raspies had a hard time working with my big photos folder (800GB) when encrypted. On instances that are not encrypted, the full HDD is encrypted (the option you have when installing Linux).
Not sure how secure it is, but from the docs: Encryption is XChaCha20-Poly1305 and AES-SIV with a key derived from the password and folder ID using scrypt. Considering how polished, huge user base and how much attention to detail Syncthing has, I trust it’s good enough for my needs.
Would your photos folder be handled quicker if you split it into two seperate folders of say, 400 gigs each?
Thanks I forgot I even had a dropbox account. And everything is deleted files and account.
Check for old shares. I had EVERYTHING deleted, from files, recycled bin…For nearly a decade already. BUT. Today I just found there were old shares of those deleted files. I clicked to delete the shares too. Guess what, the files were back onto the dropbox folder as if they never were deleted a decade ago! So I had to delete them again, and then from the recycle bin. And then deleted the account.
Time for dropbox users to upload all kinds of crap for ai to “learn” from, all within tos of course.
I bet there are many kinds of ways to make your files poison the ai learning data. Its going to be fun for those ai guys to sort which files are probably safe and which are not. I think even if ONE user manages to slip something that corrupts the training data and its not noticed soon enough it might cause problems for them. Though someone who actually knows something about the subject might want to tell if i’m talking shit or not.
I’m not against ai in general, but if its trained with data that was obtained from unwilling people, like this, then its makers can fuck off.
So are there any files that an AI shouldn’t vacuum up that I just happen to have in my dropbox?
Anything private or financial
If someone has a way to poison their AI training by adding junk along my regular files I’m interested. Sadly I use it at work and I cannot decide to migrate to another cloud so I better sabotage them
Create a lot of text files filled with offensive and false information. Maybe 4chan and OANN transcripts :)
It will always be a cat-and-mouse game. Once the trainers recognize the attack, they can use the attack to further improve their models. A long time ago I watched a speech from a guy who worked on Yahoo! Mail’s spam detection. They realized spammers would create email accounts, send spam to them, then have the accounts mark their spam as “not spam.” They came up with a method to automatically identify these accounts, and used them to further improve their spam detection model (if these accounts marked something as “not spam” it was likely spam).
This situation is so ridiculous
