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- firefox@lemmy.ml
Teams also doesn’t support multiple “work” accounts, so I had to boot up a laptop to accept the call. 🤷
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Well they are just lying, it works fine with Firefox and has worked fine for years. I live in the EU though. Sucks to be american these days, I guess?
These days? It’s sucked to be an American for decades.
Better than being in a third world country ig. But it’s frustrating, because our issues are generally fueled by greed and were entirely preventable
When you have to compare yourself to a “third world country” to feel not so bad it’s not a compliment.
I have the same issue, but I am also in the EU. however, I just used an extension to spoof my user agent and now it works fine. there is some weird behavior sometimes, like when I call someone it doesn’t actually ring the other person etc.
Used it today using Firefox on OSX, no issues whatsoever.
EU resident here, doesn’t work for me as well
What the hell does it have to do with being American?
Certain restrictions related to Microsoft Edge are applied less in the EU
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This isnt Hexbear man, wrong instance.
But we’re good with Eat the Rich, right?
Yes, that’s still fine.
Just one more upside to Firefox, less interruptions during work~
Its cool how all these companies are allowed to just lie to you about their products functionality.
If you use Firefox, you are a communist; and if you are a communist why would you need the glorious tools of corporate communication? Just make do with rotten turnips as Lenin intended
This whooshed a lot o’ folks.
Conversely, I should maybe try to use the /s thingy and stop thinking people can read my mind. Will I learn this lesson today? Hmmm
“glorious” + “rotten turnips” = /s
You went from -12 to +16!
Fuck /s ✊
Don’t give in to the dark side.
Using Firefox makes you a communist?? Maybe you just enjoying have your data harvested by Google.
Looks like your sarcasm detector is broken. Just like Teams.
You got me, not gonna lie
To be fair sarcasm is impossible to express via firefox.
Firefox supports the standard just fine
https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/Accessibility/Sarcasm/Attributes
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Sorry if this was not clear, but it was only a joke. I assure you, I only subscribe to first-quality ideologies.
This team block is so agressive to firefox users that it’s literaly hardcoded as if web browser firefox then deny.
You cam override that by changing a parameter in firefox to advertise itself as another we browser. I don’t remeber how i did it but, once i had to use firefox and i just changed that stting in order to advertise me to the host as a edge browser. With that changed i could use teams as normal.
Epic drm.
When I’d search “(location) weather” on Google (e: in Chrome) and I’d get a really nice at a glance forecast right on top. Do the same thing in Firefox and I’d get a whole bunch of weather websites I could go to. The former obviously being a better, more direct experience. I found an extension that fools Google into thinking it’s Chrome and all works fine with that.
I’m amazed if this doesn’t violate some antitrust regulation
Android addon to fix this: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/android/addon/google-search-fixer/
My main problem with this is getting amp links in the results after.
Try Redirect AMP to HTML. It’s worked pretty well for me.
Started using https://qwant.com a few years ago and the bliss of forgetting about amp links is real. (though I am considering https://kagi.com instead.)
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Haha, thanks for the reading.
Got a name for that chrome spoofing add on for FF on a PC by chance?
UserAgentSwitcher has been the gold standard for like 20 years.
The intangible sloth who replied to me provided a link to the one I use
User agent string.
This is not mildly infuriating this is the free internet being eroded through Google’s control of Chrome
I think this is more a push towards tightly couplings with Edge.
No it seriously means the feature isn’t available yet in the browser. Like there is a part of Firefox missing that they need to use the website. Basically all websites are coded in HTML, css, and js or a form of that. The browser controls them and the code operates out of it. If a feature is on chrome and chromium but not Firefox, the site won’t work on Firefox. Not sure exactly what is missing but it is mozillas fault not Microsoft.
Google meets and zoom work perfectly well in firefox, this is just ms stuff
You clearly don’t fully understand what I’m talking about but that is unrelated since they don’t have to use the features they implement.
Firefox implements everything the various web standards require. There are a few non standard features that Chromium implements that certain websites take advantage of, but the fact that their code isn’t portable is not Firefox’s fault. As for Teams… Microsoft’s just being a dick: if you change the user agent it works just fine.
And maybe Microsoft requires it. Also the could be more under the surface we don’t know about with the user agent, where it might have some kind of security exploit or something.
If there was a known security exploit, it would have been patched. Everything works, so nothing essential is missing. The way I see it, it’s yet another attempt to manipulate users into switching away from open standards.
Also, it’s a multi billion dollar company, can they really not afford to put a couple of devs to work on changing a few lines of code to fix whatever small incompatibility there may be?
But we don’t know if Microsoft can fix it, as it’s most likely on Firefox’s end.
You really don’t want to lose this argument do you? As a software engineer myself, I can assure you that that’s complete bullshit.
Teams is nothing special, it doesn’t intrinsically require any functionality only available in Chromium. It isn’t some weird magical piece of software that can’t be made work strictly using standard web protocols and features, something that, apparently, it already does because it does work if you trick it. It’s not even cutting edge, chat and video conferencing web apps have been around for ages at this point, many were implemented years back with only a fraction of what’s available today. They worked everywhere and still do. Microsoft is perfectly capable of making it work, because it can.
And If there was a known security exploit, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN PATCHED. It doesn’t matter if it’s on Microsoft’s end or Firefox’s end.
The only reason they don’t make it work on Firefox by default is because they don’t want you to use it on Firefox, that’s it.
You seem to not want to lose either. I’m a software developer myself who specializes in websites. If Microsoft knows a severe exploit, they probably wouldn’t go around telling everybody exactly how to exploit it, would they? And we don’t know that it works perfectly, just that it works enough to use it.
MS purposefully not respecting the standards for its softwares to only work on their own browsers is a feature since they made Internet Explorer. It’s an industrial strategy to trap the users into their own tools. It’s to the point they don’t respect even their own standards in the case of docx for example so that there is no easy interoperability with libreoffice.
I agree with you that the real reason for it is EEE but their justification for it is that for enterprise and corporate customers, the only ones they care about, they can’t control Firefox in the same was as they can Edge or Chrome with the Microsoft Account add in which allows the MDM agents like InTune to apply DRM. Their primary concern (so they claim) is the enterprise administrators ability to control the computer, provide settings, configure defender xdr security and all the other bs products they sell.
That remark, while truthful a long time ago, didn’t really apply during the later periods of IE, or the early periods of Edge before it became a webkit clone. When it needed to win back users, there was a lot of focus on standardization, meaning that when I worked on sites, I tested them through MDN Docs, and in Firefox and IE first, made sure my solutions were not using any -webkit- nonsense, and then they would be fine on other browsers. Anytime I did find IE bugs late in its life, it was usually because some other browser coder was not correctly following standards.
They support meetings in Firefox so it’s a bit weird why they would block calls… They’re effectively the same thing
Additionally, if you change your userAgent to be Chrome things are working pretty good in Firefox as far as I’ve tried it (not too extensively)
But that could open a security exploit, for example letting other users take your IP and use it within the call to perform a ddos or other kind of attack on your system. They could have been trying to fix that.
Try changing your user agent to a Chrome one (e.g.
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/120.0.0.0 Safari/537.36). Works a treat!Sidenote:
HTTP user agents have become absolutely bonkers over the years.
I like how this guy explains the history of browser user agents and why they have this strange configuration today:
Not really. The example listed above is perfectly readable.
Knowing the versions of webkit, browser version, etc. is important due to inconsistencies, new features, mossing features, and deprecated features. Sure it can be faked, but that is on the end user.
There is more information in there that isn’t actually true and only supposed to trick some old web servers into treating it a certain way than there is actually correct information,
It mentions three different browsers, only one of which is actually true, and three different rendering engines, none of which is actually what’s used.
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/120.0.0.0 Safari/537.36
thank you, this worked for me! :)
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I had to look it up, here’s what I found (please correct me if I got it wrong):
To change the user agent in Firefox, you can use the built-in Developer Tools. Here’s how you can do it:
- Open Firefox.
- Press
Ctrl+Shift+Ion Windows orCmd+Option+Ion macOS to open the Developer Tools. - Click on the “Network” tab.
- Look for a small icon that looks like a mobile phone and a tablet together, usually located at the top-right of the Network tab. This is the “Responsive Design Mode” button. Click on it.
- Once in Responsive Design Mode, you’ll see a dropdown menu at the top of the screen where you can select different user agents (like various mobile devices, different browsers, etc.).
Remember, changing the user agent can sometimes lead to unexpected behavior on websites, as it tells the website that you’re using a different browser or device than you actually are. This is usually used for testing and development purposes.
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And here I was just setting
general.useragent.overrideeach time.Fun fact: Some time in past Firefox used to support per-domain overrides (without add-ons).
There’s an addon that can do it and remember the setting per domain or website.
I, for one, would appreciate a link to said addon
I’ve used: User Agent Switcher
Successfully using;
- Whitelist mode
- Domain =
teams.microsoft.com - UserAgentString =
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/118.0.0.0 Safari/537.36
Awesome I was on my phone so I couldn’t quickly check what addon I was using.
Thnx!
Ctrl+ shift + M
Sure, but the point is that you shouldn’t have to. There should be cross-compatibility.
Ms teams sucks in a big way
Teams won’t even open on Safari. Must use a chrome-based browser (like… Edge!)
given the love Teams receives, it not working in [ insert browser ] is definitely a feature
I used to freelance for a big corp who used MS teams and provided me with separate credentials, while also having my private MS account, that I occasionally use for other corps I worked for.
It was a hell using it that way. I had to run each one in a private Brave window to be able to work on two different accounts.
I know they only use MS teams, bc their infra is all based on MS, and it probably works fine for them internally. But man, this shit needs to be fixed in some way to account for external people, especially the ones who chose their own stack and work simultaneously with others.
Apparently the dumpster fire known as MS Teams supports multiple accounts now.
It does, but it basically reloads the app when switching. Which, if I recall correctly, means no notifications from the other account and really slow swapping between accounts. When I had to use multiple accounts I would use the app for one and a browser for the other.
Luckily, I’ve been able to get away with only using Teams for meetings, so my exposure is limited, but last time I messed around in the top right corner there was an area that indicated it would show notifications from other accounts.
I have had no need or desire to test this, though.
The new teams doesn’t seem to reload the app (or ita really fast). Still garbage program.
Teams rarely works well internally.
Have you tried changing your user agent string to Chrome? I know it can sometimes sidestep these types of “errors”. It can be changed manually through about:config under general.useragent.override, or there exists plenty of addons to switch it more easily.
I’ve avoided changing my user agent because Firefox’s apperant market share is already so low. I’ve installed the extension and will it try it with my work container though.
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Im sure if you swap user agent to chrome they wouldn’t give a fuck
It crashes right after a call starts.
Everything else works fine though.
It’ll complain later that the browser is blocking its spyware and adware.
You can make it work by changing your UserAgent string (there’s plugins for that) to some older chrome version to make things work.
