• Waluigis_Talking_Buttplug@lemmy.world
    7011·
    10 months ago

    Gin? Genetics? Giant?

    Do you pronounce Origin like Oregon?

    I personally find arguing pronunciation as entirely pointless when there are many words in English that get pronounced different based on a multitude of factors.

    People also like to argue it’s an acronym, but do you pronounce NASA the same as you pronounce the first letter of each word of National Aeronautics and Space Administration?

    Honestly? Just say it how it makes sense to you.

    • soloner@lemmy.world
      4911·
      10 months ago

      Not to mention the creator of GIF prefers the JIF pronunciation.

      It doesn’t really matter, but I find the hard g folks have a stick up their ass about it.

      • SwampYankee@mander.xyz
        211·
        10 months ago

        Yeah, I have friends who say it with a hard g and I never say a damn thing, but I say jif once and it’s “jraphics” this and “jod” that. I get it, you watched that stupid video in 2012, congrats.

        • NightAuthor@lemmy.worldEnglish
          2·
          10 months ago

          Maybe we should up the ante on this war, and start actively making fun of those who be hating on peanut butter. There are plenty of arguments for either pronunciation, but jiffers are losing the war bc we’re being so passive. Just living our lives, as if the pronunciation of a word doesn’t fucking matter if everyone knows what you mean…. We need to eradicate the culture of soft-g giffers

      • irish_link@lemmy.world
        189·
        10 months ago

        I understand your point in the creator but I find fault in that argument.

        Historically it doesn’t matter what the creator of anything prefers unless it’s an “unveiling” and they name it on the spot. People in general will take something and run with it regardless of the creators intent. The perfect example is “light saber” versus “laser sword.” (Edit forgot to add the word sword after laser)

        To be honest I don’t care all that much. If you say jif or gift without the t, either way I know what you are talking about.

    • AlolanYoda@mander.xyz
      31·
      10 months ago

      To me, “gif” just looks like “gift” without the final “t”, which is why I pronounce it exactly the same until the t

    • SatanicNotMessianic@lemmy.ml
      821·
      10 months ago

      People also like to argue it’s an acronym, but do you pronounce NASA the same as you pronounce the first letter of each word of National Aeronautics and Space Administration?

      Um, yes?

      I’m assuming we’re talking about the two A letters here, since nothing comes to mind about a different pronunciation of N or S in American English.

      In American English - at least in my experience - the first sound in aeronautics is exactly the same as in “air,” which is also the same as in “administration.” We don’t generally say it as in “ear-onautocs.”

      Also, I’m curious - has anyone ever published a study describing whether or not the difference in pronunciation differs between sectors in the computer science community? Particularly, is there a difference between normal developers and those who write in a Lisp?

  • ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca
    49·
    10 months ago

    I get the gist of what you are saying but gingerly I will inform you that my giraffe giblets are cold

    Sorry, that was just gibberish

  • Knasen@lemmy.world
    24·
    10 months ago

    My old workplay everybody pronounced “Gigabyte” as “Jigabyte”, drove me nuts.

      • Transporter Room 3@startrek.website
        324·
        10 months ago

        Pardon me while I go feed my giant geriatric giraffe, George. He likes generic foods, so long as they are germ free and genetically unmodified.

        Afterwards, I’m gonna hit the gym, gently gesticulate while talking to someone about geography, geometry, and genetics, maybe consume some protein gel packs.

        As a genuine gesture of gentlemanly genius, my genuine German genie will conjure up some gems to pay for everything.

        Get the gist of what I’m saying?

        • theUnlikely@sopuli.xyzEnglish
          104·
          10 months ago

          This morning, I’m off to groom the goats and gather fresh eggs from the geese. The greenhouse needs tending too, with its gourds and guava plants.

          After that, I’ll glide on my skateboard along the gritty pavement, feeling the cool gusts. For lunch, perhaps a grilled cheese sandwich with gouda, and a glass of grapefruit juice.

          In the afternoon, a game of golf awaits, grueling yet galvanizing. And as dusk falls, I’ll gaze at the glimmering stars, grasping the grandeur of the galaxy.

          Then I’ll grab my guitar, gleefully strumming glorious melodies.

          Next, I’ll gear up for gaming, getting into go-kart racing and guild quests. Great for unwinding and igniting gusto.

          Then, on to grub: guacamole with garlic, garnished with green onions, alongside golden tortilla chips, goulash, gumbo, gazpacho, gravy, granola, gorgonzola, and graham crackers. A gourmet, gratifying snack.

          Later, I’ll grab my gardening guide, to gain groundbreaking insights on growing gardenias. Guiding the creation of a grand, lush grove is very gratifying.

          Before bed, a glance at tomorrow’s goals: glazing pottery, a new, gripping hobby.

          Does this give a good glimpse into my day?

          • WldFyre@lemm.ee
            41·
            10 months ago

            Most of your hard g’s have a consonant as the second letter, I don’t think it’s as strong of an argument.

          • samus12345@lemmy.worldEnglish
            11·
            10 months ago

            PHOTOGRAPHIC. PHOTOGRAPHIC. PHOTOGRAPHIC. It’s pronounced j-feg.

            Acronyms don’t give a fuck what the original pronunciation of the words used to make them are. Sorry, you lose.

              • samus12345@lemmy.worldEnglish
                21·
                10 months ago

                If “gif” has to be pronounced with a hard G because it stands for “graphics,” then the P in “jpeg” has to be pronounced like an F because it stands for “photographic.”

    • Nogami@lemmy.world
      1122·
      10 months ago

      It is infact Graphics Interchange format. Not Jirafics Interchange format.

      I know the creator pronounces it Jif, but there are lots of people in the world who pronounce things wrong.

      I offer up “niche”. It’s actually not nitch no matter how many people say it like that.

      Lookit all the nerds I triggered. Popcorn time!

      • Carl@sh.itjust.works
        171·
        10 months ago

        Just like JPEG is pronounced as a JFEG, cause it stands for Joint Photographic Experts Group.

      • Lizardking27@lemmy.world
        92·
        10 months ago

        “There are lots of people in the world who pronounce things wrong”

        “Its actually not nitch no matter how many people say it like that”

        You’re this close to getting it.

      • stephen01king@lemmy.zipEnglish
        21·
        10 months ago

        Scuba is Self-Contained Underwater Breathing Apparatus. Do you pronounce it the acronym with a short U or a long U?

  • WereCat@lemmy.world
    181·
    10 months ago

    “Pacific ocean” has each “c” pronounced differently. This is just an English thing. Makes for great puns “I’m not sick, it’s just a little COFFIN” but when it comes down to acronyms you guys are lost.

  • witheyeandclaw@lemmy.world
    3217·
    10 months ago

    What did the creator of the GIF name them? Imagine if a bunch of people read your name wrong, then when you told them how it’s pronounced said that they don’t care, and your mom was wrong to pronounce your name that way.

    • Voyajer@lemmy.world
      14·
      10 months ago

      That’s what happened to aluminium. Sir Humphrey Davey came up with aluminum in 1812 but his peers decided it wasn’t classical sounding enough.

      • IgneoTalus@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        4·
        10 months ago

        I refuse to call it anything but Aluminum just for that. I find it insulting to Sir Humphrey Davey that his naming rights were basically stolen by someone completely unrelated.

    • Risk@feddit.uk
      2412·
      10 months ago

      Eh, I prefer the descriptivist method of language. It’s how language evolves over time.

      Comparing it to a personal name is a false equivalence. GIF is an acronym, people could enunciate each letter if they so preferred and it would be more accurate/true to creation than even the creator’s opinion of how to pronounce it.

      • w2tpmf@lemmy.world
        137·
        10 months ago

        It’s not a false equivalence. He named it after the penun butter brand. It was specifically named to be pronounced a certain way.

        • Risk@feddit.uk
          11·
          10 months ago

          Oh, okay. That only combats my point about it being a false equivalence. At the end of the day, it’s an acronym.

      • witheyeandclaw@lemmy.world
        14·
        10 months ago

        I see what you’re saying, and to a point I agree. I see it as people reading it a certain way in their head and becoming attached to how they think it should sound. This happens often because English words especially can have all manner of exceptions to the usual rules of spelling and grammar. There is nothing embarrassing about reading, or at least there shouldn’t be. What I DO find embarrassing is when people find out that they’re pronouncing something differently and flat out disagree with the world about its actual pronounciation.

        • CileTheSane@lemmy.ca
          4·
          10 months ago

          What I DO find embarrassing is when people find out that they’re pronouncing something differently and flat out disagree with the world about its actual pronounciation.

          Man, you must be embarrassed all the time when you hear British or American people talk.

          Somehow the world can survive and we can understand one another with very different pronunciations of words like “Aluminum”, but this… THIS WILL NOT STAND!

        • Risk@feddit.uk
          22·
          10 months ago

          I mean, it’s only embarrassing for them - if they want to be loud, proud, and wrong that’s okay.

          But at the same time, they may well set the trend for how it’s pronounced in the future.

          Lord knows, waDer (i.e. water) started somewhere…

          Edit: I’m guessing I offended someone by implying that saying ‘wadder’ is the wrong way to say water, hahaha.

    • CileTheSane@lemmy.ca
      104·
      10 months ago

      What did the creator of the GIF name them?

      Island was originally spelt without an ‘s’. It was later added as a stylistic choice and is now the “correct” spelling. Language doesn’t give a fuck about original intent. If you want to be originalist about it then you need to hie back to corky English

    • agitatedpotato@lemmy.world
      54·
      10 months ago

      How a computer scientist thinks words should be pronounced is not as convincing an argument as so many here seem to think.

    • Verito@lemm.ee
      141·
      10 months ago

      It is funny every time and I’m tired of pretending it’s not.

  • Pandawhiskers@lemmy.world
    12·
    10 months ago

    My first name starts with a G and it’s soft. Many people will read it and pronounce it hard. This argument is for my identity

  • JokeDeity@lemm.ee
    133·
    10 months ago

    I hate this argument, that’s literally what the creators of the format called it. Names of things don’t always follow the rules of English.

    • Joe_0237@lemmy.ml
      5·
      10 months ago

      You are right except: there are no rules in english, and this isn’t an argument, its a joke.

    • Stoneykins [any]@mander.xyzEnglish
      3·
      10 months ago

      Names of things don’t have to follow “the rules of english” to change and morph with who is using them.

      Acting like there is any immutable qualities to any language or word is kinda silly.

      Currently, with the common opinion split pretty well, the correct answer for how to say it is “‘gif’ or ‘jif’”. Call it whichever you want.

    • hoya@lemmy.ml
      14·
      10 months ago

      That would be valid if it is a name and not an acronym.

  • curiousaur@reddthat.com
    114·
    10 months ago

    I hope you say jfeg the to be consistent, because that’s how the p in photography is pronounced.

  • ieightpi@lemmy.world
    114·
    10 months ago

    Here’s another to add to the pronunciation wars. RetroArch is pronounced RetroArk. Which I will die on that hill because Arch stands for either Architecture or Archive. Too many times have I heard people on YouTube make it sound like McDonald’s golden arches.