“There’s no way to get there without a breakthrough,” OpenAI CEO Sam Altman said, arguing that AI will soon need even more energy.
Optimizing power consumption? Why?!
In fairness the computing world has seen unfathomable efficiency gains that are being pushed further with the sudden adoption of arm. We are doing our damnedest to make computers faster and more efficient, and we’re doing a really good job of it, but energy production hasn’t seen nearly those gains in the same amount of time. With the sudden widespread adoption of AI, a very power hungry tool (because it’s basically emulating a brain in a computer), it has caused a sudden spike in energy needed for computers that are already getting more efficient as fast as we can. Meanwhile energy production isn’t keeping up at the same rate of innovation.
The problem there is the paradox of efficiency, making something more efficient ends up using more of it not less as the increase in use stimulated by the greater efficiency outweighs the reduced input used.
It’s emulating a ridiculously simplified brain. Real brains have orders of magnitude more neurons, but beyond that they already have completely asynchronous evaluation of those neurons, as well as much more complicated connecting structure, as well as multiple methods of communicating with other neurons, some of which are incredibly subtle and hard to detect.
To really take AI to the next level I think you’d need a completely bespoke processor that can replicate those attributes in hardware, but it would be a very expensive gamble because you’d have no idea if it would work until you built it.
Unity developers be like.
Some of the smartest people on the planet are working to make this profitable. It’s fucking hard.
You are dense and haven’t taking even a look at simple shit like hugging face. Power consumption is about the biggest topic you find with anyone in the know.
Some of the smartest people on the planet are working to make this profitable. It’s fucking hard.
[Take a look at] hugging face. Power consumption is about the biggest topic you find with anyone in the know.
^ fair comment
The human brain uses about 20W. Maybe AI needs to be more efficient instead?
Perfect let’s use human brains as CPUs then. Not the whole brain just the unused bits.
I’ve seen that film
It’s what matrix would’ve been if the studios didn’t think people would too dumb to get it, so we ended with the nonsense about batteries.
They also thought we wouldn’t understand how Switch could be a woman in the matrix but a man in the real world. So they just made the character a butch woman because apparently that’s easier somehow. So many little changes like this were made.
Holy fuck now her name makes so much more sense. God dammit, why are we so fucking stuck up as a society that we couldn’t even keep that
Tbf that society was a while ago now.
I don’t think it’s gotten better, and honestly they oversimplify even more today. For some reason
Flubber!
We use all of our brain. Well, some of us try to anyway.
I would love it (if there exists a FOSS variant of that) imagine being able to run a LLM, or even LAM in your head,
wait…
🤔
FOSS Neuralink
That would require a revolutionary discovery in material science and hardware.
And yet we have brains. This brute force approach to machine learning is quite effective but has problems scaling. So, new energy sources or new thinking?
We just run the AI for a gazillion epochs and then it’s
overfittedevolved intelligence. Thanks Darwin we did it again.
It’d be way easier to just grow brains instead
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How about an efficiency breakthrough instead? Our brains just need a meal and can recognize a face without looking at billions of others first.
I mean, we can only do that because our system was trained for hundreds of thousands, millions of years into being able to recognise others of same species
Almost all of our training was done without requiring burning fossil fuels. So maybe ole Sammy can put the brakes on his shit until it’s as fuel efficient as a human brain.
Food production and transport is famously a zero emission industry.
We’ve been around for hundreds of thousands of years as homosapiens. Food production and transport emissions were practically 0% until the last 100 years. So, yes, that’s right.
While that is true, a lot of death and suffering was required for us to reach this point as a species. Machines don’t need the wars and natural selection required to achieve the same feats, and don’t have our same limitations.
They are nowhere NEAR achieving the same feats as humans.
Erm.
I recall a study about kids under a specific age that cannot get scared of looking at pictures of demons and other horror stuff because they don’t know yet what your everyday default person looks like.
So I’d argue that even people need to get accustomed to a thing before they could recognise or have an opinion about anything.
“recognize a face”
Who’s? Can the human brain just know what someone looks like without prior experience?
Your ability to do anything is based on decades of “data sets” that you’re being constantly fed, it’s no different than an AI they just get it all at once and we have to learn by individual experience.
Neurolink plus AI in 10 years is basically the matrix then.
Great right from coin miners to the “AI” fad. Tons of carbon shot into the sky and for what? A more unequal society on both counts.
Sure, we destroyed the planet, but we did it so we could produce valuable artwork like this:
Yeah, I’d say it was worth it. It also gave us this:
🎶🎵 Middle-age mutant ninja turtles,
Middle-age mutant ninja turtles,
Middle-age mutant ninja turtles,
Heros on the Advil!
Turtle Back pain! 🎵 🎶
I can’t decide if I want this to have been written by an AI or not.
I’m not an AI, thought of it a few days ago, and this seemed like a good opportunity to deploy it
At least AI has the potential to do something useful unlike coin mining. Although its not doing much currently so not to wild about it. Maybe real ai that could actually find new energy sources.
General artificial intelligence has the potential to be actually useful. Generative AI, like Chat GPT (Generative Pre-Trained Transformer) absolutely does not. It’s a glorified autocomplete.
Chat GPT (Generative Pre-Trained Transformer) absolutely does not.
I had to help my wife with an Excel VBA script. I know a few programming languages but I don’t know vba. Hours of googling turned up no useable scripts that did what I needed. ChatGPT wrote a working VBA script in seconds.
Anyone who thinks it is a fancy auto complete hasn’t used it.
It is a fancy auto complete, just an incredibly fancy auto complete. In the same way that a computer that can run VR games, simulate the evolution of solar systems let you access something close to the sum total of human knowledge over the internet is a very fancy pocket calculator.
I think it’s better explained as a search engine that works at the word level of granularity. It lets you do a word level search of all written human knowledge which allows it to adapt to your specific prompt. It’s the next step in searching knowledge based. First we had libraries, then document search, now it’s word search. I think it’ll be impactful on the same level as the creation of libraries and search engines.
As someone that works in IT and has seen the actual real world merit of LLMs, you guys clearly don’t work in a white collar field or you’d realize that you sound like someone in the 90’s claiming the internet is a fad.
Microsoft continues to integrate it, and on prem data and cloud engineers are hooking it up to company resources for everything from helping with data creep to handling low level repetitive tasks.
In the next ten years all bottom level data entry will be performed entirely by on premise AI models and the position of secretary will be a thing of the past, it’s not a gimmick like NFTs or crypto, it’s an actual tool that we are finding more uses for everyday.
VR and Crypto were bullshit, but AI is the real deal. On a side note I find it hilarious that out of the three options, Zuckerberg bet billions on the two wrong options. Unfortunately the rich have so much power that they can make catastrophic mistakes and still have plenty of money to finally bet on the right one.
How is VR bullshit? No Mans Sky, Elite Dangerous, Half Life Alex, more games everyday are using VR.
Unless you mean the “meta verse” decentraland kinda deal then yeah for sure.
It being the future of computer interfaces is bullshit. I enjoy it as a novelty but Zuckerberg bet on it as the “next big thing”, on par with the Internet.
They never stopped to ask if it was actually an improvement and just assumed it’s what everyone wanted.
Too bad some things are just more convenient on a screen in front of you. I don’t want to walk around a virtual grocery store, the website is fine.
Its a little useful. Its another level of meta. initially research was libraries and books/docs but you could get synopsis from atlases, encyclopedias, dictionaries. Internet allowed for gopher searching and then web browsers allowed search engines but the results did not initially have synapses so you had to check each link. Then synapsis allowed looking through links and just checking the most promising ones. generative ai allows for the most promising links to be identified without perusal. One of the most useful things the ai assitants do is provide you the main links they got their info from.
And document search is just a glorified library 🙄
I heard that the human body can produce more bioelectricity than a battery
Which is bullshit for obvious reasons. Humans are no eels.
In fact, the original script of The Matrix had the machines harvest humans to be used as ultra efficient compute nodes. Executive meddling led to the dumb battery idea .
Yea my head cannon is the humans just have no fucking idea what the machines are doing with them and that there was only one movie
I love their original idea. Having your brainpower sapped and also being part of a collective dream that creates the world around you is such a cooler and more philosophical idea.
This was a far smarter premise. I wonder if it would have been as popular had they kept it.
Tek wars had that premise and just look at how popular that was.
not really. It’s just different energy. Calories can be converted to a unit of heat, a unit of heat is directly analogous to a unit of energy. Electricity is a unit of energy as well. Thus you can compare them. It’s how you compare things like electrical production efficiency of a thermal cycle generation process.
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Didn’t CERN open a portal to hell recently, can’t we just steal their power? What are they using it for what could go wrong?
Do we even need a portal to hell, aren’t we living in one?!
Yeah but our hell is out of power. Who cares about that other hell
Argent Energy is extremely clean but it isn’t ethical, COWARD LIBRALS will complain that it’s made from the eternal tortured souls of the dead
Big Geothermal will try to silence you on this one.
Reminds me of the Castle Animated series on YouTube.
Or we could stop this ridiculous llm “ai” trend and move towards sustainable living like our hyper-waste society
These comments often indicate a lack of understanding about ai.
Ml algorithms have been in use for nearly 50 years. They certainly become much more common since about 2012, particularly with the development of CUDA, It’s not just some new trend or buzz word.
Rather, what we starting to see are the fruits of our labour. There are so many really hard problems that just cannot be solved with deductive reasoning.
It’s simultaneously possible to realize that something is useful while also recognizing the damage that its trend is causing from a sustainability standpoint, and that neither realization particularly demonstrates a lack of understanding about AI.
The lack of knowledge comes from thinking the damage is outpacing it’s usefulness. It simply isn’t.
Why is it ridiculous?
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So is AI the new Blockchain?
Unlike the Blockchain it has an actual use tho.
I bought pizza with bitcoin, haven’t bought anything with AI yet.
I get daily use out of LLMs but haven’t done anything with Bitcoin.
I want to use Bitcoin to buy cannabis and Soylent and have it arrive at my door via drone. Give me my better future
Give an LLM to a high school student and they could do something with it.
Try to explain block chain to an adult and watch them pretend to understand.
Always was.
Exactly. This is why the AI hype train is overblown. Stop shoving “AI” everywhere when they know it’ll cost a lot in electricity.
The real path forwards with AI will be specialized super advanced models costing hundreds per run (business use case) and/or locally run AI using NPUs, especially the latter.
We must disassemble the solar system and make
paperclipsAI server farmsSo much for hoping ai was going to solve energy breakthroughs.
Got to spend energy breakthroughs to make energy breakthroughs?
Just don’t forget the BIG circuit breakers.
Some day we are going to need them.Nvidia Execs: Did you say the price of GPUs should go up?
I love when people invent something then complain about how dangerous it is. It really hits you in the feels.
OH NO, AI IS THE BLOCKCHAIN.
