Doesn’t stop certain big tech companies from building giant campuses with cafeterias and housing so that employees can literally live, eat, and sleep at work.
Imagine if they let us work from home instead. I already live, eat, and sleep at work, and it doesn’t cost my company a dime! In fact I pay for all of it!
What if we all just didn’t go in? They gonna fire everyone?
And they can sell the office too (good luck lmao), we are doing the company a service 😌
What if we all just didn’t go in? They gonna fire everyone?
That is called a strike and why they work
This is what unions are for!
The US, at least, is far too individualistic to effectively do something like this without the people involved being far from unified, and without there immediately being scabs who are more than willing to take their place.
These people have been so indoctrinated into believing that unions, the very thing that would allow them to effectively do what you suggested, are bad. There is no sense of solidarity in this country.
Damn. Thought you were advocating for reformism or some other non-syndicalist approach until I noticed the icon. Do you have a favored approach for building that solidarity?
Edit: it’s unfair for me to ask this question. A better way of posing it would have been for me to propose a few and to discuss / develop them.
So, I’d say, I guess organizing outside of the workplace through creating non-hierarchical institutions that meet people’s needs, ie, dual power, is essentially what I’ve arrived at.
Honestly, I don’t know how we fix it.
I’m not sure I would identify myself as a socialist or syndicalist. That said, my politics have been continuously pushed to the left throughout the past 20 years, so you’re probably not too far off.
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I have to go into the office. I literally do about 1 hour of work a day. I have every capability of doing it at home. It’s crazy.
My office lets me work from home- half the day. And then I come in and do exactly the same thing I did at home. I like the half day at home, but it makes no sense.
Working from home 2-3 days makes 100% more sense than working from home half of each day. Means you still need to get dressed and do that damn commute every single day.
Neither option makes much sense to me. Especially when I’m doing the same work either way. It makes literally no difference where I do it from.
And to make it more bizarre, it’s 25 hours at the office and 15 at home. So I do 8-11 at home 4 days a week (not counting lunch) and 8-12 on Friday.
Fucking weird!
No, company dont want you to work from home because you can have multiple full time job.
They want all of your mental attention on one job only.
and only one full time job.
If not for labor unions we would still be working 12+ hour days. The 8 hour workday and the weekend is all thanks to the courageous efforts of labor advocates.
And now kids in Arkansas get to experience the grind.
We have so much to be thankfull for to those that came before us. Standing on the shoulders of giants, how easily we forget.
Dudes wearing Oakley’s and Fox Racing hats would be saying they’re better than you because you don’t work 22 hour days.
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I don’t understand that culture. You get looked down upon if you say something and when I said we need at least 100k yearly in America, they laugh as it too much for them. We need more confidence as workers to demand more and unions.
Yeah, and these are the same dipshits that think there shouldn’t be a min. wage.
It’s almost as if decades of identity politics fed to the uneducated masses is super effective.
I’ve literally had a relative say shit like “only construction workers need unions” and other nonsense because he just does not understand that for society to function for more than 100 years, you need to be able to tell your boss to fuckoff or do fuckall and get paid for it. I think people assume that wage earners are the latter but like security cams and bullshit metrics and shit have eroded any semblance of humanity from modern workplaces.
All of this stems from a few areas that keep labor prices down artificially: Agricultural worker exemptions, prisoner exemptions and corporate personhood. You might be like “why the last one” but its the one that says you are functionally equivalent to a corporate charter in the eyes of the government.
Minimum wage might not be needed if we instead used universal basic income. Low paying jobs wouldn’t be automatically exploitative since they would still have a minimum income. Perhaps some of those low paying jobs may even bd desireable for certain people over the current minimum wage jobs (e.g. lower or very infrequent hours).
Also the transition from drunk to sober would suck more.
Oh hell no. Permanently drunk it is.
I feel like people would drink themselves to death more, or at least pass out. Been a few times years ago that sleep was my reason to stop drinking
And this is why you support your labour unions.
Haha, as if there was not a push for people to work more around the clock than ever.
More job areas would have cafeterias, and I think we would see a lot of 24 hour employees
Congratulations on having the world’s most depressing shower thought.
https://www.powernapcomic.com/ deals with a fictional world where a drug makes this corporate dystopia possible but a small percentage of people cannot take the drug making them effectively disabled from a normal worker perspective.
Wow this is great thanks for the link! Just spent the last hour reading and it flew by
This is great, thanks for sharing it
Follow-up Shower thought: Sentient Robots will not require rest or sleep, and thus, will automatically suffer through this.
Why would you specifically use the sentient robots for your grunt work and why would an artificial intelligence have problems with the same things humans do? Especially if an AI was made for the specific purpose of doing work. The reason humans don’t like doing work is because evolution naturally selected for us to be good at things like
-hunting gazelles
-gathering berries
-making finger paintings on cave walls
-sitting around a campfire making ape noises
and not working at a corporation. For an AI, it’d presumably be the opposite, meaning that AIs would be about as content with their lives as humans are in their natural environment.
Exactly. People always try to anthropomorphise everything.
Sentient robots, being way more intelligent that the Owner class, would take the current ownership system over and as our new overlords make humans to work only the nunber of hours that yields peak returns, which is, at least for intellectual occupations, somewhere around 7h per day.
I suggest people ponder on the possibility that we are actually living in a Dystopia. Not the worst Dystopia that we can conceive, but likely for most a worst state of affairs that a baseline of, say, being a nomadic hunter gatherers (even though we live more we get significant less enjoyment from our lives)
They might even optimize humans and hobbyism to do reach a point where humans only do work those same humans barely feel like is work. Wouldn’t be able to be done for every task, but they could iron out a lot of certain industries.
To which I say, robots, come take over us, hurry.
Well just design the robots so that work feels like sex to them
Omg I actually had this same thought the other day and wrote it down.
I just thought about how cool it would be to not need to sleep. You could have a whole 8-or-so hours to do whatever you want. But then I realized that if we didn’t need to sleep we would likely be required to work longer hours or be otherwise productive during those 8-or-so hours. It’s crazy how arbitrary productivity really is.
Investment bankers would like a word (but they probably don’t have time).
And they’d be mad that the damn dirt Labor union won’t let them have 24 hour shifts.
And there will be beaten and abused workers agreeing with them because they’ve been convinced that working 24 hr shifts would be better for them.
The willingness of people to lick the boots of their oppressors is scary as fuck.
I did 24hr shifts a minimum of two days per week. Most times I did three days per week with 24hrs of OT. I did that from 2000-2017.
Now I do simple 4 x 10hr days.
How is that possible?
Paramedic. Possible by trying to sleep between emergency calls.
Why would you ever do that? And allow it to happen for 17 years???
Good question. I did enjoy my work 90% of the time. I gave up emergency work when I turned 50. Now I do “uber” ambulance.
Wtf is uber ambulance?
And thanks for your service.
Ha! “Uber” ambulance is non-emergency transport. We take patients that are at rehabilitation facilities and bring them to medical appointments.
What job and country? I need to stay far far away from that
Paramedic, U S. Most EMS and fire departments run 24hr shifts. It’s a choice.
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They are. It’s a choice.
Doctor?
Paramedic
Were you the one driving? This sounds so dangerous! My heart goes out to you
We would take turns. We had an office where we could sleep until the emergency call comes in. Not quality sleep, but, kept you functional. Was only rare occasion you might be busy for a full 24hrs.
Must be bliss working (still slightly long) 10 hour days now
Hours and very easy job is much better.
if aliens invaded and forced us to work for them they’d probably have better work culture than us
