The geneticist Jim Wilson, at the University of Edinburgh, was shocked by the frequency he found in the U.K. Biobank, an anonymized research database: One in 7,000 people, according to his unpublished analysis, was born to parents who were first-degree relatives—a brother and a sister or a parent and a child. “That’s way, way more than I think many people would ever imagine,” he told me. And this number is just a floor: It reflects only the cases that resulted in pregnancy, that did not end in miscarriage or abortion, and that led to the birth of a child who grew into an adult who volunteered for a research study.
Most of the people affected may never know about their parentage, but these days, many are stumbling into the truth after AncestryDNA and 23andMe tests.
Love a news article that let’s you read down a while before cutting you off to reveal its a pay to view site.
Fuck those sites.
Firefox reader mode just grabs the text and images and let’s me read the whole article on most of these sites.
And if it doesn’t load it all, just reload the page 😘
You all are awesome. Finding out new features every day with Firefox. Glad I returned.
Unlock anything. I’ve been using it exclusively since 10ft doesn’t always work
I’m holding out for 69ft
Nice
Whole article shows up when opened in reader mode
It is the Atlantic to be fair so you might not be missing much. This from a magazine that endorsed the Shakespeare conspiracy repeatedly.
If you can lie about one thing, you can lie about two…
What Shakespeare conspiracy?
That he didn’t write the plays and presumably the poems. It’s basically flat earthers for the literature. The Atlantic ran a piece advocating for it and then ran two other pieces about how great they were for running the original piece.
It’s a good conspiracy they’ve got answers to all the questions, ‘what about all the huge piles of evidence that clearly show he wrote them?’ Is easily answered by ‘just pretend it doesn’t exist!’
Best is when they say Edmund Spencer wrote them or someone, it makes so little sense I almost hope it’s true.
My favorite is when they say Bacon wrote them. Ok spend five minutes and read New Atlantis and then five minutes reading say the Scottish play. Then look me in the eye while you say that the same author wrote both.
The style, the words, the handling of dialogue, every single aspect of the two men are different.
Some will say it is unfair to compare the two but I would say that since the conspiracy started with Bacon it is fair game.
It just boils the blood of some English lit types that the guy who will forever dominate the language only had a high school education and a bff who owned a bookstore.
I just read the article on 12ft and am considering paying for it. It’s that good.
One in 7,000 people, according to his unpublished analysis, was born to parents who were first-degree relatives—a brother and a sister or a parent and a child. “That’s way, way more than I think many people would ever imagine,”
Now I’m not walking around thinking I’m living in a porn movie, but a rate of 0.014% is not what I would call shocking.
And this number is just a floor: It reflects only the cases that resulted in pregnancy, that did not end in miscarriage or abortion, and that led to the birth of a child who grew into an adult who volunteered for a research study.
Either way, what number of parent raping and impregnating their child or sibling raping and impregnating their sibling would be shocking to you? Because to most people it’s probably “anything that isn’t zero”.
It’s shocking to you that rape exists? Clearly its a bad thing and shouldn’t happen, and it’s upsetting, but I would disagree that most people would be shocked if you told them “more than zero rapes happened this year”.
While I agree with you in principle, I actually do think that 1/7k is unexpectedly high. If 1/10k people had an incestuous relationship, that would be low enough that I wouldn’t find it surprising. This study, if we take it to be cross-sectional, implies that the rate of incidence is much higher, at least on the order of 1/1k, possibly something around 1%. I don’t know the frequency that people of incestuous individuals have a child as a result, but the idea of it being higher than 1/7 strikes me as unlikely. Of course, multiple children can result from a pairing, so that has the potential to sway the numbers, but I’d hope that incestuous individuals are less likely to desire children from the relationship, and as a result would take a pregnancy as a sign to stop.
Whoa, where did all the rape come from?
It kinda comes built in with incest.
You’re overplaying your hand here. Parent/child incest implies rape if the child is underage. Adult sibling/underage sibling implies rape. But incest of siblings who are similar age (whether adult or child) doesn’t necessarily imply rape. Even incest of a parent and their adult child doesn’t imply rape.
Statistically I’d bet this is predominantly rape and you are largely correct, but by saying incest = rape you’ve overstepped a bit.
I’m not doing anything of the sort, you on the other hand, are telling on yourself 🤮
Telling what, exactly?
That dude sounds like he’s projecting. You’re just trying to clear up something that matters when talking about these sort of topics.
That sounds like a hell of an assumption. Any data supporting that?
Not necessarily?
And this number is just a floor: It reflects only the cases that resulted in pregnancy, that did not end in miscarriage or abortion, and that led to the birth of a child who grew into an adult who volunteered for a research study.
Meaning that this could be an indication of a wider incest…problem?..trend?..idk…
Edit: it was literally the next sentence…
Given the number of blathering idiots there are, I’m kinda surprised inbreeding isn’t even more common.
The UK actually has a big issue with incest. Especially with cousins. Causes loads of child fatalities.
Really big issue with people from Asia, incest is the norm there.
Edit for those downvoting me is this a recorded issue. It’s been in the news. Just because it doesnt fit the narrative or we arent meant to talk about those things doesn’t mean it isn’t happening.
Is the UK like Brazil where cousins relationships aren’t illegal?
Yes. They aren’t illegal apparently. White people in the UK don’t marry their cousin from my understanding though. So it becomes racist to infringe on other cultures I guess, eventhough it is the UK and UK culture should be what’s important.
Fun fact, Charles Darwin married his cousin. It used to be a more common among white Britons (and other Europeans, especially royalty lol), but it’s rare now. It is indeed quite common among Britons of Pakistani heritage, buts it’s becoming rarer. And the risk of genetic defects is actually quite small. I don’t think it can be considered incest when its legal.
There is a theory that the reduction in cousin marriage in Europe reduced the power of clan groupings and led to the more indivualistic liberal culture we have now, with both good and less desirable effects (basically, more freedom but weaker communal bonds)
I’ll upvote you if you provided a source rather than just insisting something is true because you say so.
Edit: actually, I won’t upvote you. Incest isn’t the norm anywhere you fuckwit.
actually, I won’t upvote you. Incest isn’t the norm anywhere you fuckwit.
Heres is a source. So you can get fucked, obviously you don’t know what you are on about this is why information is so important and not just making out you know things.
“follows the health of 13,500 babies born in Bradford Royal Infirmary between 2007 and 2011. It the largest study of its kind in the UK to date.”
“60 percent of the Pakistani mothers in the study were married to a blood relative.”
https://www.progress.org.uk/risk-of-birth-defects-from-cousin-marriage-revealed-by-bradford-study/
Did a bit of research after your response and it turns out you’re right. Sorry for calling you a fuckwit.
Cheers, I appreciate it.
I wonder what their family trees look like. European royalty 🤝 Pakistanis
I would consider your point if you didn’t need to call someone a name to make it. Call me moral or ethical or something.
Well there’s 8 billion humans and 331 million Americans so
Over a million humans and almost 50k Americans.
Rad
If 1/7000 kids are the product of incest, I’m guessing that 1//500 have been lied to about their biological father; looking at you royal family of England.
A bit off topic but, here is the latest episode from the podcast Citations Needed. They talk about the Atlantic’s shitty politics. It made me not want to give them any views.
What’s the equivalent to take me home country roads in UK? I think it deserves one.
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