The Vatican on Monday declared gender-affirming surgery and surrogacy as grave violations of human dignity, putting them on par with abortion and euthanasia as practices that reject God’s plan for human life.
The Vatican’s doctrine office issued “Infinite Dignity,” a 20-page declaration that has been in the works for five years. After substantial revision in recent months, it was approved March 25 by Pope Francis, who ordered its publication.
In its most eagerly anticipated section, the Vatican repeated its rejection of “gender theory,” or the idea that one’s gender can be changed. It said God created man and woman as biologically different, separate beings, and said people must not tinker with that plan or try to “make oneself God.”
“It follows that any sex-change intervention, as a rule, risks threatening the unique dignity the person has received from the moment of conception,” the document said.
And if anyone knows about violating human dignity, it’s the Pope.
It took them five years to whip up a measly 20 pages of dipshittery? Magic space daddy is free to come down here himself and choke on my girl dick if they take such offense to me. Show up quick though I’ve got The Surgery™️ in two months. My unique dignity is I do whatever the fuck I want to with my body, and if god didn’t want that for me shouldn’t have given me the damn thing in the first place
Also I love that they’re like “don’t modify your precious god given body!” and in the same breath say intersex people should be “corrected”. Fuck these ghouls and fuck anyone who supports them
If God wanted the Pope to read, he would have given him better eyes. Take those things off right now, Mr. Pope. Glasses are an affront to God.
“don’t modify your precious god given body!”
“No doctor, you must not remove that child’s appendix! All parts of the body are made in god’s image, and if god wanted this child’s appendix to develop appendicitis, it is surely part of god’s plan!”
It’s much easier, if God wanted us to do something instead of any other things then why the fuck will give us free will, instead of making a bunch of robots.
He is some sort of sadist, the free will is so you don’t want to do whatever it is that you are forced to do. Either be miserable in life or suffer for eternity after death. He loves you a lot btw.
From another viewpoint, though, we are all flesh robots. Our bodies are built on genetic programming, our personalities and behavior based on environmental stimuli. How much independent thought or agency can an individual claim to have when so much is predetermined the moment we draw first breath?
Might even be able to predict it all if you have a powerful enough computer.
So…god did not plan for the reality of the fluidity of genders? The all powerful all knowing god did not account for this in his plan?
Hey…shut up.
-Pope.
The Torah has eleven genders in it. The Jewish God is supposed to be the same one as the Catholic God, so clearly they haven’t read up on their own history
I seem to recall a scripture about there being no male or female in the eyes of God. So not sure why old man pope is so offended.
But touching little kids was definitely part of the plan.
Touching kids is their only plan.
This pope has always been nothing but a PR figurehead, he says nice platitudes, calls gay people friends, and everyone seems to buy his bullshit. Meanwhile, before he was Pope, he was a bigot, misogynistic, antiquated asshole. All the inclusive things he says are nothing but marketing.
You know what else violates human dignity? Shuffling around pedo priests so they get away with their abuses. Refusing to meet with or compensate victims of the clergy. Telling clergy not to cooperate with police etc. That’s what violates human dignity
Remember kids: this is the leftwing darling good Pope.
Religion, not even once.
More of a liberal darling ya? Pretty sure the left is anti-pope in general.
I would basically be fine with the Pope if he stopped the child fucking. The bar is pretty low. I try to have a bit of empathy for the elderly not being very progressive.
Ok boomer. If trans people want to “make themselves God”, I support that. Whatever that is supposed to mean anyway.
God’s plan is just the alpha release, has a lot of bugs, and is not feature complete. Lol
He sounds a lot like Bethesda
…and when a bunch of really talented modders make things better than great a loud minority starts crying out “Nooo! Can’t play Skyrim with mods, it’s cheating! I don’t want anime tiddies and Thomas the Tank Engine in Skyrim! It’s not what Todd envisioned! Waaaa!”.
And yes, there actually is a certain bunch who think mods in a single-player game==cheating. Somehow.
Loud minority of folks running/ruining things for the other 2/3 or so seems to be a theme w humans.
Believe it or not, when I made that comment, what I had in mind was Skyrim’s mammoths falling out of the sky, Barbas accidentally pushing me off a cliff, and the hired thugs going “we’re here to teach you a lesson” while I’m fighting Alduin and they helped me deal some damage before they died.
You should have seen my divine plan, I test them in worldbox. My first iteration was bombs. But than I saw that it wasn’t really good so I made a perfect Island and everyone is blessed. I was bored so i made everything immortal. Also they could not decalre wars because not death was to be in my world. On the year 332 the first king of the earliest kingdom had 24 kids and a well deserved golden tooth. On the year 1700 they were all very happy.
Still an atheist but I would love if I died and found out God was just a guy in a cubicle who inherited a mess from its coworker who was fired.
“Look I am sorry everyone keeps getting aids and cancer alright I am trying. Freaken galaxies weren’t rotating right so had to invent dark matter. Also Sharon ate the last donut and I get like a billion bug and feature requests from you apes every second. I didn’t sign up for any of this! Ok ok calm I am in my happy place…you should probably go to heaven now. It’s viking heaven but it’s working”
I feel like it would be a great fictional concept to explore the Christian God as not all powerful. He’s well connected, certainly, with how many priests there are around the world, but he still has limits. Bad stuff happening? He isn’t able to stop it, but wishes he could. Divine punishment for the truly sick individuals? He could, but it would mean he can’t prevent as much bad stuff as he already is, and humans do a decent enough job of dealing with the shitheads.
It was a bad idea to have God be omnipotent. The idea of a benevolent god who isn’t omnipotent and needs your help to spread good in the world is a far more compelling idea.
Some of the conceptions of early Judaism were like that, after they made their God all good it still struggled to fix stuff.
You know what really violates human dignity? Being raped by a priest and then having the church cover it up.
Fuck this bioessentialist piece of trash.
I don’t believe in any god, but even if I did I would not think such an entity had any right to dictate or make judgements on who I am and how I am, or my identity or purpose.
I’m so goddamn sick of this bullshit. I get to decide who I am and set my own path, fuck these people who think they get to tell me (and everyone else) what my life and body and purpose and identity are >:(
Really, I can’t even begin to describe how much I hate this sort of patronising bullshit, how many of us have to suffer or die because of the relentless repressive normativity imposed by these groups and their infantilising ideologies of self repression and obedience and compliance, especially with the “dignity” and “diversity” doublespeak they’ve been trying to use in the past few months even while they systematically try to erase those very same things from anyone who doesn’t fit into their suffocatingly binary and restricted conceptualisation of identity nya.
Our biology, identity and lives should be ours to control. We are capable of deciding our goals and purposes. I frankly hope more people realise they don’t need some patronising religious institution to tell them how they should exist or what their purpose should be (if any, some folks are more nihilistic), and seize their morphological autonomy and decision making from groups that would deny it to them under the guise of such bullshit as supposed “dignity” ^.^
Seriously, fuck this. The Catholic Church (and this “”“cool”“” pope), as well as pretty much all the other organised religious institutions who propagate the same infantilising and self-subjugating rhetoric, can go fuck themselves with a cactus in every available hole.
Christianity: Humans have free will.
No no not like that!
The “original sin” is having the potential to understand ethics beyond blind obedience to the Abrahamic diety and to make decisions for yourself (to my understanding of the concept).
“Having original thoughts beyond obedience” is the original sin.
Make of that what you will :p
“You deserve this because you wanted to know what was going on” is sure a take, but not one that’s ever gonna sit well with me.
I can’t say I really understand the argument against surrogacy they’re making here. It seems like the same argument would mean that adoption shouldn’t be allowed either. Their other argument on the matter seems to be that abuse of a system means a system should be eliminated, which is an interesting argument for the Catholic Church to make.
I can’t say I really understand the argument against surrogacy they’re making here
I remember a Bible story about a man that died before having an heir so his brother was to impregnate the widow. But surrogacy is bad for some reason?
Oh, surrogacy is something a woman could benefit from. Right.
I think their skydaddy logic is it can’t be done without discarding eggs and as we all know each egg has a soul.
Meanwhile they eat eggs during lent.
Projecting as usual, are we?
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Wasn’t Eve created from a man’s rib as an afterthought?
There are two creation narratives in the book of Genesis, and both are considered to be historical allegories.
Can we really handwave away the whole Adam and Eve thing though?
If we do, then what did Jesus die for?
If we do, then what did Jesus die for?
The new motto for Vegas – if you don’t enjoy yourself, he died for nothing.
The whole rib thing is likely just a PG version of the original…
Humans are one of the only mammals lacking a penis bone, men and women both have 24 ribs each…
There’s only one bone that human males lost, and that was the dick bone. So if Eve was made from a bone, she’s the root cause of male impotence because it’s a lot harder to keep a boner without a bone when you’re trying to bone.
Truly throwing a bone attack there are we
both are considered to be historical allegories.
How convenient that the “word of god” (as many churches describe the bible) is so open to human interpretation.
I have to warn you that some believe these are no allegory.
Are we still talking about Catholics?
Nope. Not that I’m aware. To be fair no Catholic I have met in ages is nearly as extreme as these guys. But from some of my interactions via social media…I have seen them.
Funny I felt a lot less dignity without gender affirming surgery.
And on a bitchier note, my genitals may be handmade, but I’m allowed to use them.
