Was it Matt Gaetz again?
This is just political theater to make it seem like the Governor is doing something. Colombia, and much of Latin America, has a much larger issue being extremely wealthy countries with vastly poor populations.
These countries are being kept this way purposely so that they can be exploited by much wealthier nations(US, Spain, France, Netherlands, India). This breeds a culture of self regulation and minimal government intervention, riddled with corruption and a populace left to their own devices.
Prostitution in the touristic areas hasn’t been stopped at all, just pushed a little underground while the cops look the other way, because they are also customers.
Fixing this problem requires something that won’t occur in our lifetimes. Which is unfortunate as Colombia is one of the most beautiful and magical places on earth. Antioquia specifically is such an amazing place and the Paisa people are so unique and kind. Really beautiful when isolated cultures can survive this long.
Fixing this problem requires something that won’t occur in our lifetimes.
Hard, sad truths.
I agree on this type of declarations being pure theater.
Which isolated culture do you refer to?
The Paisa people were isolated in the Andes mountains for a long time as it was difficult for the Spanish to access when it was part of Gran Colombia. The culture around Medellin and the coffee triangle is different the rest of country and kind of similar to the Southern hospitality in the US. Everyone is so willing to talk to you and invite you to gatherings even if you’re a stranger.
They are no longer isolated but their culture persists. I just hope all the tourism doesn’t spoil it.
I would not call a region with a capital city that was founded in the 16 hundreds isolated.
Colombia, and the region you refer to, is mostly mestizo, a mix of indigenous and Spanish descendents. Which makes me think we are differing in which way to take isolation.
Isolation from the Spanish during the period of la Gran Colombia is another head scratcher. What do you mean?
There are communities that were long isolated and so, preserved (Palenques and tribes in the Amazon are clear examples).
Is the culture from Antioquia different from the country? Partially, yes, as any region in a big, diverse country is. Were they isolated? I would say no.
I would not call a region with a capital city that was founded in the 16 hundreds isolated.
Are you talking about the current capital of Medellin (founded 1717) or the original capital Santa Fe de Antioquia (founded 1541). Santa Fe sits on the Cauca river which was the only way the Spanish were able to make it that far into the mountains. It would take them months to travel to places like Medellin, which is why it was isolated.
Mestizo is just the spanish word for mixed person and fits all of Latin America as there are very few indigenous groups left.
I am using isolation in the standard meaning. To mean separated. I do not mean uncontacted. Sure uncontacted tribes are isolated, but so where the Paisas. What you may be missing is people didn’t just take a day trip into this region. The Spanish empire sent groups of people with the wealth and resources of a nation state, forcibly using indigenous slave labor to travel deep into the Andes. Once they arrived, it was rare that people left.
The only way to get close was to use the rivers with human powered boats. Then you had to use established trails or cut through extremely dense dangerous forest. This kind of work took years to accomplish and was the result of generations of people slowly building up a colonized society at the will of the Spanish Monarchy. This is why most of the larger towns and cities in south weren’t established until the 19th century.
From wikipedia about the Paisas: The Paisas have been considered a genetically isolated population according to scientific studies.
From wikipedia about Antioquia: Due to its geographical isolation, being located among mountains, Antioquia suffered supply problems. Its topography did not allow for much agriculture, so the city became dependent upon trade, especially of gold and gin for the colonization of new land.
I was in Medellin and Jericó two weeks ago. The isolation is talked about in the museums and is well established fact. I just mean separated not unreachable.
Politicians are such fucking idiots. “We’ve got a pedophile problem” “Close the bars at 1 am, and make prostitution extra illegal”
At a press conference, Mayor Federico Gutiérrez said that he would be signing two decrees: one, prohibiting sex work in the area of Medellín for six months, and another, the enforcement of a 1 a.m. closing time for bars in the area for a month.
So now people will not be able to make a living because of this scumbag. Were I a sex-worker in the area, I’d be pretty pissed off. I don’t know a better way to address this, I’m just saying that this is why we can’t have nice things.
This doesn’t even address the problem. Literally doing nothing is a better solution than the one implemented.
A far better solution would be to get the sex workers to help with finding and stopping paedophiles & the pimps who support this horrific shit
Get the police to worth with, not against, sex workers.
I’d bet anything that sex workers would be able to help identify and track down under-age prostitution.
I hadn’t actually considered this. I think you’re probably right.
Better late than never I guess.
I was confused by reading it “after US citizen found with two girls at a hotel”.
I think I was thinking about adult tiny woman. But now I realise where the problem is.
Passport bros?
A term used to describe people who go to foreign countries to hook up, usually to fulfill a ethnicity kink and usually presented as those who can’t pick up local women so usually somewhere prostitution is not really frowned upon
I just want tall blonde passport girls to become a thing
Sex pests are a major export from western nations to the rest of the world, it’s about time this infestation started being addressed.
It would seem there is one thing Americans find sexier than their own family members…
Wtf is wrong with people who are pedos. There must be some chemical imbalance that we should be able to fix by the time kids are 10 and never become pedos. I mean it’s wishful thinking but damn it’s 2024!
It’s important to note that the attraction to kids, and actually diddling them, are technically separate things.
No normal person has trouble not raping people of the opposite gender, no matter how wild their libido gets.
So while research has essentially proven that the condition itself can’t be cured, it doesn’t automatically mean a person also wants to rape.
It’s when those two things go wrong at the same time, that you get a monster.
So basically, teach consent. If you don’t raise a rapist, they’re not gonna end up a child molester, even if they feel the attraction.
Also “fixing it by the time someone is 10” is gonna be difficult. People tend to be attracted to people their own age, so what, is a 14-year-old a pedo if they do something with a classmate?
To add on to this, many people who do commit horrible acts against children aren’t pedophiles, in the sense that they are sexually attracted to children. Many of them are sexual sadists who are aroused by the act of inflicting pain and abuse, instead.
Oop… ooh boy here we go with the twitter/reddit talking points 😬
There is zero amount of attraction you can have to kids before you become a monster. The only difference between a MAP and a chomo is time. I’m honestly floored here of all places you would see pedo apologia like this, but the federation has been disappointing me a lot recently.
EDIT: Wait what?? I didn’t read this until now but “People are attracted to people their own age” maybe it’s just my asexuality talking but i’m pretty sure you don’t feel “attraction” until your sex juices start flowing. One thing I do remember as a kid was feeling socially pressured to go out with girls even though I was prepubescent and had no interest in that sort of thing, and not understanding why I didn’t feel like I had to. Wasn’t until I was a full on adult that I started to realize just how much western society low-key pushes pedophilia onto you.
EDIT2: I’m appalled by the reception of this comment and by the fact that the original comment has been allowed to stay up. Allowing pedophile talking points is going to cause permanent damage to both the quality of the community and to the legitimacy of Lemmy as a whole. How are you going to convince normal people to join this site when stuff like this is heavily upvoted?? I sure as hell don’t feel safe and i’m sure many others would feel the same way.
EDIT3: I just looked at the guy’s profile and you all ought to be ashamed of yourselves. It’s like 90% anime shit.
The fact that you’re ace explains a bit. You simply have no experience with this.
When I was 14, I was horny as hell. My “sex juices” were most certainly flowing. I crushed on several girls in school but at that age I was far too awkward to even speak to them. Let alone know what to do with my frustration aside from masturbate.
Not allowing my libido to drive me to hurting someone is the easiest thing ever. It was then, still is today. (No, I do not feel a need to fuck a 14-year-old, I sleep with adults around my own age)
Nothing about the research into pedophilia suggests that their libidos work in some different way. If you’re a moral person who doesn’t want to hurt anyone, you will do your best not to. And not having sex with children is a pretty easy call to make.
I’ll be the first to admit that I don’t exactly think clearly when turned on, but it has never, ever, even in a years-long dry spell, led me to even slightly consider actually doing something with someone without their consent.
Nothing you can tell me can convince me that a person who doesn’t want to hurt others, can be made to do so by their sex drive.
Especially considering you don’t even know what having a libido feels like.
You’re just assuming I don’t feel attraction. I do, I just don’t feel attracted to children. Ace people aren’t fucking robots you know.
You need to take the appropriate steps to make sure you don’t either because it’s only a matter of time before you end up acting on it. Normal people don’t feel this overpowering pull you’re describing and you need to understand that it’s impossible to be virtuous while doing nothing to rid yourself of it.
You are making some olympic mental gymnastics level assumptions about me there.
I know you can be attracted to others. What my libido does is only one component in how I feel about someone, and often the least useful. But by definition it is a component ace people don’t need/get to worry about.
You definitely have no experience with the “urges” of a sex drive, because there is literally no way they can take control of a person to the extent they commit crimes before they realize what they are doing is wrong. That’s not a thing.
How the fuck did you get “overpowering” from my expressing the ease at which they are suppressed?
If child molesters were somehow driven by a cerebral malfunction they can’t do anything about, they’d be pitiable, not monsters worthy of death. They chose to do it.
I’ve had enough of this. Please find help.
For what?
What is it you fear I will do if I don’t? Educate people more?
If I was what you seem to be suggesting I am, do you even know what “help” would be? I do.
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Also, to make it very clear, at no point did I say being turned on by kids is ok.
I said the condition itself doesn’t automatically turn a person into a rapist, the same way a normal sex drive doesn’t either.
Seriously, look it up, “treatments” for pedophilia, boiled down, is literally just consent training, and it works. Not in the sense that the libido goes away (though that can be done medically) but in the sense that these people do not then go on to rape anyone, children or otherwise.
You can’t just apply your experience to everyone especially if your experience is not the typical one as you’ve stated you’re asexual. Nothing wrong with being asexual, but that’s not the typical state most people are in.
That aside the example was 14 years old, your “sex juices” are absolutely “flowing” at that point.
You wouldn’t have a point even if my user history was 100% anime. If “they like anime” is the most damning comeback you can come up with, I’m not sure where to even begin setting you straight.
It’s pretty clear that actual level-headed discussion by people who have looked into the reasearch on this is something that sets off a raging hate-boner for you, completely preventing you from actually considering what is being said.
Your very first edit revealed you didn’t even read my full comment before responding. I’m not sure you’ve fully understood any part of what I’ve said, or you’d be attempting and failing to dismantle my argument, instead of attempting and failing to dismantle my character.
You’re being downvoted because you’re simply wrong on this, and being a hateful asshole about it to boot.
I’m going to respond to your last point. First, Jackie Chan wtf meme. Second, kids becoming sexually aware while they are the same age and want to experiment, fine whatever. My point was older people taking advantage of straight up kids between ages of months to 17 years old. That’s not a typo, i said months because there are straight up fuckin monsters out there. I wish there was something, say vaccine ( i know, controversial) or another form of medicine that could remove the urges or feelings that a potential pedo might have later in life before it’s too late. That’s why i said age 10, since i don’t think kids become aware of their body until they hit puberty.
So, like a no-attraction-towards-less-than-18-year-olds-allowed-vaccine that we just give everyone? That would work.
You don’t need to be passive aggressive about mentioning months. I know. I can also tell you that unfortunately the condition isn’t chemical. People are born with it.
My point is that you only get a molester when they have the condition, and also lack the control that all the rest of us have for not raping people. As such, removing the urges is only solving half the problem. You’d still be letting people who’d rape adults through the cracks.
Dealing with those types of people would counter both pedos, and rapists in general.
Consent training is the real solution, and is what actual “treatment” for pedos seeking help currently consists of, and in some cases just total libido suppression through medical means.
Is that something done in the US? I was always under the impression that it’s just prison. You can’t even talk to a therapist about it because they have a duty to report you so again, prison.
But I can’t exactly claim to be an expert, it’s just what I’ve gathered from these conversations as they pop up over the years on reddit or whatever.
It varies by a lot. It doesn’t help that the research is scarce and seldom consulted on legislation.
I think a lot of people afflicted just never tell anyone. As long as you’re otherwise stable and in control of yourself, anyone who has only that one thing wrong about them, could extremely easily take it to the grave. It’s by far the best option to live a decent life.
If you don’t need someone else to stop you from acting on it, why tell anyone, ever? It can’t be cured, so the only “help” available is to teach you self-control, or like you say, in some places, prison. If you’re among the 99% of people who already have self-control figured out, why speak up and just complicate your life?
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The sexual orientation argument is a landmine.
Though it illustrates aspects of the point, it draws a lot of other uncomfortable parallels for people that really really aren’t part of it.
And then you’ll spend twice as long dispelling the BS it makes people assume about the point you’re making.
I feel like this is a crime that really doesn’t get taken serious enough. There are so many studies showing that someone that was assaulted has a higher chance of continuing the cycle of assault when they are adults because it messes with their brain. There really is no seemingly help for a lot of these fucks, are our society is worse off with them.
It’s because the people in power are into that sort of shit. Pedophilia is about power and control, which are the same attributes that capitalism pushes to the top. Why else would you think that Epstein’s black book had literally every billionaire and countless millionaires in it?
Until capitalism is abolished it’s going to continue being “a societal problem”
Unfortunately I don’t think we can draw a line between capitalism and pedophilia, specifically.
Though theres something to be said about people in positions of power partaking. Just look at religion.
Men with excess wealth routinely use that wealth to take advantage of vulnerable women.
It just so happens that some of these men are twisted and brazen enough to do it to children, too.
The child sex trade is big business.
Death penalty for pedos would be a quick deterrent
Ah yes the death penalty, famous for deterring crime.
Castration then?
great, you are now accused of being a paedophile and whoops, your legal defence failed.
hand over your balls.
