Far more animals than previously thought likely have consciousness, top scientists say in a new declaration — including fish, lobsters and octopus.

Bees play by rolling wooden balls — apparently for fun. The cleaner wrasse fish appears to recognize its own visage in an underwater mirror. Octopuses seem to react to anesthetic drugs and will avoid settings where they likely experienced past pain.

All three of these discoveries came in the last five years — indications that the more scientists test animals, the more they find that many species may have inner lives and be sentient. A surprising range of creatures have shown evidence of conscious thought or experience, including insects, fish and some crustaceans.

That has prompted a group of top researchers on animal cognition to publish a new pronouncement that they hope will transform how scientists and society view — and care — for animals.

Nearly 40 researchers signed “The New York Declaration on Animal Consciousness,” which was first presented at a conference at New York University on Friday morning. It marks a pivotal moment, as a flood of research on animal cognition collides with debates over how various species ought to be treated.

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      We don’t even know what sentience/sapience/whatever is. We have some thoughts, people argue about the definitions, and stuff; but really… it all comes down to… “are they like us”… but we don’t even really know what that means.

      So no. It’s not obvious. (Particularly because humans are surprisingly stupid.)

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        To people who spend a lot of time around animals or even sea creatures, it may be obvious that they’re more like us than most would assume.

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      Denying such things in other animals has been part of a long-standing, mainly Western, push for human exceptionalism

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      My first, second, third and fourth thought. I didn’t have a fifth.

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      I mean people have been pushing for recognition of this for at least a few thousand years so I’d say yes.

      The lengths people are willing to go in self delusion for a burger are astounding though.

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        Some people are just straight up fine eating beef because they don’t care. Like, we won the food chain, and that’s enough for them

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          You really said “we won the food chain” like you wouldn’t run screaming from a slightly pissed off badger haha.

          What a fucking absurd stance, the school of “if I can do it: it must be fine to do” ethics.

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            I didn’t say it’s my opinion, you silly goose.

            The lack of critical thinking here is insane

            Edit: the whole way we won the food chain isnt about standing toe to toe with any animal, we productionized their whole existence.

            Beyond that I don’t know how you could know what animals I am or am not afraid of, that’s a pretty silly assumption

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              Uh huh, I believe you. You’re so tough and smart and strong, bravely debating and owning the libs, casually fighting badgers armed with nothing but your Jordan Peterson body pillow.

              To think that Aldous Huxley was known as the last Renaissance man when you were among us all along.

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                Ok not sure what I’m debating here, is it really a point of argument that some folks are fine with consuming meat? Is it really a point of argument that humans are at the top of the global food chain?

                Edit are you just 3 badgers in a trench coat?

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            the school of “if I can do it: it must be fine to do” ethics

            Some people would call this the “law of the jungle”, or the natural state of things.

            It’s also not reasonable to assume any one person would run screaming from a badger. People wrestle crocodiles and mountain lions and win.

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              If anyone thinks that I hope they get hunted by a sadist, are kept as their plaything, and live a long life begging for death.

              It’s a completely asinine opinion that absolutely nobody worth giving a modicum of time or respect to maintains. There’s not even any point talking about, it’s like chiming in with the fact that some people think smearing shit on toilet walls is the correct thing to do when discussing how to grow food.

              Also anyone who gets defensive about the idea they would run screaming from a moderately pissed off badger has never interacted with a badger and would absolutely run screaming from one.