• Varyk@sh.itjust.works
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    5 months ago

    And not a “good guy” gun owner in sight.

    It’s almost like deregulating firearms isn’t stopping mass shootings.

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      Okay hear me out, the reason for such tragedies is logical. Kids have no guns to fight back! It’s just like if you had a guy pointing a gun at you. If you had a gun of your own, you could distract them with a handful of dust and then shoot back. Same for the kids. If they had guns they could defend themselves.

      Next we’ll discuss the vulnerability of animals such as whales and hummingbirds as it relates to their lack of usable fingers for trigger pulling.

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      The data shows that a vigilante will be a hero only in one of 7,000 cases of gun violence. I don’t see data showing how often the instigator of gun violence has a carry permit.

      But this tells us two things:

      • the rate of Good Guy Gun bros is super small

      • there are so many cases of mass shootings in America that 1:7000 can be calculated

      Is America holding back on accessible healthcare because it would then need to address the prevalence of guns in America, or have they heard of mandatory multi-million-dollar 3rd party life insurance for gun owners? There’s even a company named liberty that may insure them.

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        Also missing from those stats are the stats on how often someone tries to be a hero and either makes a dangerous situation worse or misreads the situation entirely and makes a peaceful situation violent.

        The well regulated militia part was pretty important and the judge(s) that ruled it wasn’t should have been impeached for overextending his power.

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      This shit didn’t happen when I was a kid, and we had far fewer regulations. LOL, you could mail order a gun from Sears and carry it in the rear-window gun rack.

      But I’m sure a man would unload on a park is exactly the sort who would obey regulations.

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        Are you referring to the time that one parent could work in a factory and afford a house + living expenses for a family of four?

        Those glory days before the civil rights movement?

        When urban population density was too low to justify suburbs?

        Before police had qualified immunity for every shooting?

        Of course in different times with different laws and circumstances, with different weapons and less availability, and lower urban densities, things were different.

        That’s completely irrelevant to the impact of gun regulations on the number of shootings; that is, the proven statistical correlation between gun regulations and fewer mass shootings.

        Your supposition that any man willing to commit a mass shooting would be able to get a gun is similarly fanciful and immaterial

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          I wouldn’t say it’s completely irrelevant to gun violence, but it’s very relevant to violence in general.

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              The things you listed as being different and completely irrelevant.

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                Got it. I think you misunderstood my comment.

                All the things I listed were the factors I found relevant to gun violence.

                The irrelevance I was referencing to was the anecdotal assumption of a single commenter that because he didn’t personally see as much gun violence when he was child, gun regulations don’t curb gun violence.

                Their argument is “there were no seat belts when I grew up, and we had fewer car accident fatalities”, implying that seat belts don’t protect people

                That’s a completely irrelevant statement to my point that “seat belts prevent car accident fatalities”; Besides being anecdotal, the statement is unqualified by the lower number of automobiles, the lower number of drivers, lower speed limits, and any number of relevant controlling factors.

                It’s nice for that one person that he didn’t see a lot of gun violence as a child, but completely irrelevant to the separate topic of the regulatory effectiveness.