Looks like someone took some shots at prez candidate Donald Trump at a rally in PA. From the videos I’ve seen, it looks like he did get grazed.

  • IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world
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    4 months ago

    Half the comments here are proving that people on the right aren’t the only ones who can indulge in stupid conspiracy theories.

    It’s depressing as fuck.

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      What I find sad is that either option is equally plausible. That’s how low we have sunk.

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        It isn’t though. There is maybe a 0.01% chance that this was a false flag.

        I know what’s happening is hard to swallow, and the ramifications are deeply troubling, but try not to succumb to baseless conspiracy theories.

        There’s plenty of motive. An attendee was killed. The shooter was killed by Secret Service. There’s not really a reason to think this didn’t actually happen, except for cognitive dissonance.

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          0.01% chance based on what?

          I think being unsure either way makes perfect sense. You gotta admit it doesn’t really line up with Trump’s character to be posing for the cameras if he’s actually being shot at. Though tou’re not wrong to say, that that isn’t proof of anything. It’s subjective feeling.

          But, I think saying it’s entirely unlikely this was orchestrated isn’t right either.

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            Well, a conspiracy requires evidence, and without evidence there’s no reason to treat the conspiracy theory as credible.

            Saying 0% would be unrealistic because there’s always a chance, but if you actually believe that this is a 50/50 toss-up, you’re just delusional and desperate to feel some sense of enlightenment like every other conspiracy theorist moron in the world.

            Given that there is precisely zero evidence of what you are claiming, I’ll estimate as close to zero as I can without pretending it’s impossible.

            But make no mistake, you are deliberately spreading disinformation.

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              I’m not claiming anything. It’s just really, really early after the event.

              My choice of words was not ideal, and I apologize for that.

              I’m just saying being unsure of what happened isn’t crazy so soon after the event.

              You’re out here saying what is and is not likely based on your own feelings about what you feel is true.

              It’s simply too early to say anything definitive about what level of conspiracy existed (in the traditional sense, of more than one person, conspiring).

              I am not saying this was staged. I’m saying you’re jumping the gun, to say so confidently it wasn’t.

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            Your point is that you think you’re allowed to spread misinformation if that misinformation sounds like it maybe could be true. This is the rationale of every conspiracy theorist ever. You’re not making an intellectually honest point here.

            If your point is that you’re a dishonest person who cares more about narrative than facts, point received.

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      On this topic as a whole, it’s also proving people on the left are in favor of gun violence…

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        Not like it really needs proving. When Marx writes about “revolution,” he means bloody, violent revolution.

        Anyone advocating revolution needs guns to back it up or else they’re just full of hot air.

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          Elections were meant to be bloodless revolutions. Unfortunately with First Past The Post voting, the right options were not available to vote for. But we can change how we vote. We can make peaceful revolution possible with a more representative electoral system.

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          Not every time at all. Franco, Salazar, and Pinochet were not defeated via guns.

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      What’s worse is that the MAGA crowd has Trump and some other figures intentionally playing conspiracies up and adding weight to them. The guys on the left don’t even have the excuse of Biden and company bullshitting.

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      But why would you even think that people on the left are different from people on the right? This is why I’m not into politics myself. Because it all builds on some fake idea that one side is right about everything, even good people, while the other is wrong about everything, and probably are bad people as well.

      In reality, both sides are very similar and have much more incommon with eachother than they have with the politicians they are trying to support.